Going to an f150 ecoboost

[jminz]

First if you get a f150 get the 5.0, we have a large fleet of company trucks mostly xlt’s and lariets but theirs a few king ranches, out the 10 ecoboost trucks they bought in 2015 all had major motor work before 150k and all of the 5.0 have been perfect, and some are nearing 300k. They no longer buy ecoboost trucks. I have a company truck 2017 5.0 xlt 4x4 and a 2007 4runner v8. The f150 is better on the highway and more comfortable. highway mpg is the same, 17-18 going 70. When driving back to back the 4runner feels like a sports car and it even feels faster accelerating despite the nearly 100hp disadvantage. The f150 is a great truck but I would rather drive the 4runner most of the time.

Which motors did they have 2.7 or 3.5? I'm not opposed to the v8, but would he happy with the performance and mpgs of the 2.7.

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[jminz]

I traded in my 2005 4R V8 and looked at all the pickups. Immediately rejected the ecoboost models, not nearly enough mpg relative to performance.

Not sure what you mean. You can see 20s on the hwy while not towing if you stay out of the turbos. Just like with any motor of you are to the floor all the time your mpgs will drop like a brick.

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[meltdowner]

I'm sorry you don't want this to be a "Ford bashing" thread when you specifically asked about the worst possible car brand in the world. I have an ecoboost that I drive every day. I made my work buy me a new car when I agreed to work for them, so its new. Its the worst vehicle I have ever driven. While the engine is ok, the fit and finish of the interior is garbage. The difference in tightness of steering and driving feel is night and day between any of my ford vehicles and my 4runner. And don't ask me about towing, if you tow with an ecoboost your MPG is something like .09 miles per gallon. I watched a great youtube about how terrible it was when towing uphill. If you are going to get a Ford truck...that's neat, every other person has one and they all suck. Heck, I have two and think they are both crap, my other Ford is an F350 super duty with the 7.3L. The only reason I drive the ecoboost is because it is completely free.

In my opinion, you are not "making the switch", you are trading in a swiss watch for a dumpster with wheels that may or may not work in 6 months.

Dude this is totally excessive. I had a v8 T-Bird 97' for 16 years and that thing was great. I think you need to dial it back or people aren't going to take you seriously. You're right about all the nitpicks on the Explorer but to label the brand "the worst in the world" is totally, objectively, not true.uke:

 

[duffdog]

Dude this is totally excessive. I had a v8 T-Bird 97' for 16 years and that thing was great. I think you need to dial it back or people aren't going to take you seriously. You're right about all the nitpicks on the Explorer but to label the brand "the worst in the world" is totally, objectively, not true.uke:

Fact: more vehicle fires are from Fords than the complete sum total of all other vehicle brands in the US.

That fact alone makes it the worst car brand you could choose. So you had a Thunderbird...ok? What does that have to do with anything? I have an elm tree in my yard that has been there for 16 years, it has never broken down and I love it.

I happen to OWN the most expensive ford superduty with the best engine that they have ever put in a truck... Its still a barely assembled pile of crap that cost 66,000 dollars and has had nothing but problems with everything including the "amazing" engine (which exploded once already). I feel as a Ford owner, that it is my responsibility to ensure that people do not get into the same situation as I did. Where I bought the coolest truck with the best "specs" that could tow the empire state building and thought it was soooo awesome. Until it broke. Then broke again, and again, and again, and again and etc... I am not aware of any parts on my superduty which have not been replaced, including the engine block and the steering wheel, both of which one would suspect not to be breaking at any time, much less on the most expensive Superduty diesel with 130K original miles.

 

[crimedog]

I have heard nothing but bad things about the ecoboost engines. Lots of complaints about the bad gas mileage and the reliability. I personally would get the 5.0.

Not bashing Ford's. I have a 2009 FX4 that I love. It has 110k on it. Very few problems. But, I do not expect it to be as reliable as my 06 4Runner. I work on both and the 4Runner is just built better.

The Supercrew's do have a beautiful interior, and plenty of room in the back seat. All in all, I would still buy an F150 over a GM or Ram.

 

[94toy22re]

Which motors did they have 2.7 or 3.5? I'm not opposed to the v8, but would he happy with the performance and mpgs of the 2.7.

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It was mostly lower trimmed 2.7 eco, but the mangers with the higher trims had the 3.5, all had issues. If I was planning to buy and keep a f150 long term I would get 5.0, any saving in fuel with the ecoboost is going to eaten up higher maintenance cost! Or just get plain non turbo v6, it has around 300hp!

 

[timbo_slice]

I drive a 2016 2.7 at work 4x4 with diff locker etc. I like the ride quality and it has good acceleration. Engine and 5+ speed tranny can tow different things well mostly a water buffalo or odd trailer at work site. ~1-5k tow loads - My average for the life of the truck is 15.5 mpg and I tow like 5% of the time. Granted I have lots of idle hours, vs my boss who drives it longer distance on freeway has around 17-18.

I also dont mean to be negative, by all means if you like the truck then buy it! But I have to chime in and say I have had it in the shop for small stuff twice now within 13k miles I have put on it. My boss drives his identical truck much more and has almost 60k and has had same issues. Temp sensor malfunction affects the ac system which spent 3 days at dealership for the techs to figure it out (I told them this was probably the issue based on friends advice). Got it back and it still reads incorrect external temp but AC works now at least. My automatic and manual window controls roll themselves back down halfway ALL THE TIME and ford also had it in the shop for a couple days with other electrical issues and said they fixed it but it still does it.

I guess my complaints here are not for the motor which you seemed to be looking for but speak to the questionable quality of these new ford vehicles. I just do not have high confidence in the truck like I do with my 4runner. I know that any car at any time can have issues I do not think my 4runner is some holy grail. But the fact is my 10 year old car has the history to prove statistically it is more dependable. The new fords just cant give you that piece of mind.

I have heard so many good things about the classic 7.3 diesel. After being in a similar situation with my v6 and wanting to tow I did a TON of research. If I were you and want a towing vehicle get a tried and true 2005-2007 chevy/gmc silverado 2500 duramax with low mileage. Again sorry if I am pushing my opinion here I really just wanted to respond with my experience and my co workers with the truck.

 

[meltdowner]

I drive a 2016 2.7 at work 4x4 with diff locker etc. I like the ride quality and it has good acceleration. Engine and 5+ speed tranny can tow different things well mostly a water buffalo or odd trailer at work site. ~1-5k tow loads - My average for the life of the truck is 15.5 mpg and I tow like 5% of the time. Granted I have lots of idle hours, vs my boss who drives it longer distance on freeway has around 17-18.

I also dont mean to be negative, by all means if you like the truck then buy it! But I have to chime in and say I have had it in the shop for small stuff twice now within 13k miles I have put on it. My boss drives his identical truck much more and has almost 60k and has had same issues. Temp sensor malfunction affects the ac system which spent 3 days at dealership for the techs to figure it out (I told them this was probably the issue based on friends advice). Got it back and it still reads incorrect external temp but AC works now at least. My automatic and manual window controls roll themselves back down halfway ALL THE TIME and ford also had it in the shop for a couple days with other electrical issues and said they fixed it but it still does it.

I guess my complaints here are not for the motor which you seemed to be looking for but speak to the questionable quality of these new ford vehicles. I just do not have high confidence in the truck like I do with my 4runner. I know that any car at any time can have issues I do not think my 4runner is some holy grail. But the fact is my 10 year old car has the history to prove statistically it is more dependable. The new fords just cant give you that piece of mind.

I have heard so many good things about the classic 7.3 diesel. After being in a similar situation with my v6 and wanting to tow I did a TON of research. If I were you and want a towing vehicle get a tried and true 2005-2007 chevy/gmc silverado 2500 duramax with low mileage. Again sorry if I am pushing my opinion here I really just wanted to respond with my experience and my co workers with the truck.

Nice feedback, I appreciate you writing this out.:whipping2

 

[jminz]

I drive a 2016 2.7 at work 4x4 with diff locker etc. I like the ride quality and it has good acceleration. Engine and 5+ speed tranny can tow different things well mostly a water buffalo or odd trailer at work site. ~1-5k tow loads - My average for the life of the truck is 15.5 mpg and I tow like 5% of the time. Granted I have lots of idle hours, vs my boss who drives it longer distance on freeway has around 17-18.

I also dont mean to be negative, by all means if you like the truck then buy it! But I have to chime in and say I have had it in the shop for small stuff twice now within 13k miles I have put on it. My boss drives his identical truck much more and has almost 60k and has had same issues. Temp sensor malfunction affects the ac system which spent 3 days at dealership for the techs to figure it out (I told them this was probably the issue based on friends advice). Got it back and it still reads incorrect external temp but AC works now at least. My automatic and manual window controls roll themselves back down halfway ALL THE TIME and ford also had it in the shop for a couple days with other electrical issues and said they fixed it but it still does it.

I guess my complaints here are not for the motor which you seemed to be looking for but speak to the questionable quality of these new ford vehicles. I just do not have high confidence in the truck like I do with my 4runner. I know that any car at any time can have issues I do not think my 4runner is some holy grail. But the fact is my 10 year old car has the history to prove statistically it is more dependable. The new fords just cant give you that piece of mind.

I have heard so many good things about the classic 7.3 diesel. After being in a similar situation with my v6 and wanting to tow I did a TON of research. If I were you and want a towing vehicle get a tried and true 2005-2007 chevy/gmc silverado 2500 duramax with low mileage. Again sorry if I am pushing my opinion here I really just wanted to respond with my experience and my co workers with the truck.

Good points. I'm hoping those kinks were worked out in the 2017 and 18 models. This truck would be a DD for me so a 2500 diesel is out of the question, just too much truck for my needs. I've done a ton of research on the 2.7 and it seems like 95% of owners are happy. I love my 4runner, and while reliable, I've had my issues, as have other folks. I haven't decided if I'll keep my 4runner and get the truck too.

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[gm350reratliff]

I had an early 2012 f150 ecoboost that I bought new. Without a ton of bashing I'll just say that I did like the truck and miss some things about it but overall, I had a lot of problems with it. I do understand that the new f150s are a different animal but some problems still remain. During the 2 years I owned it, it was in the shop for;

defective/broken intercooler
leaking turbo
pcm reflash
bad coil
blew the ceramic off 2 spark plugs
rough running
truck randomly stalling
oil level rising
engine knocking on cold start
lack of engine power

By 45k miles I threw in the towel and traded it in for my 2014 4runner because it just became too unreliable. I know not every f150 is like that but that was my experience. I only really achieved good mpg before the intercooler blew apart and the pcm reflash. After that mpg was consistantly 3-4 mpg lower, I actually get better mpg with the 5.7 tundra.

 

[jminz]

I had an early 2012 f150 ecoboost that I bought new. Without a ton of bashing I'll just say that I did like the truck and miss some things about it but overall, I had a lot of problems with it. I do understand that the new f150s are a different animal but some problems still remain. During the 2 years I owned it, it was in the shop for;

defective/broken intercooler
leaking turbo
pcm reflash
bad coil
blew the ceramic off 2 spark plugs
rough running
truck randomly stalling
oil level rising
engine knocking on cold start
lack of engine power

By 45k miles I threw in the towel and traded it in for my 2014 4runner because it just became too unreliable. I know not every f150 is like that but that was my experience. I only really achieved good mpg before the intercooler blew apart and the pcm reflash. After that mpg was consistantly 3-4 mpg lower, I actually get better mpg with the 5.7 tundra.

Sounds like you had a bad apple. Every manufacturer has them unfortunately (see the 2016 Tacoma as an example from toyota).

The 3.5 is Not the same motor I'm looking at. The 2.7 started life as a turbo motor, the 3.5 already existed and they added turbos to it. Ford has gone through multiple updates to the 3.5 since your owned yours. I don't hear those issues you mentioned from the newer 3.5s. You might of had yourself a lemon. Happy to hear you were overall satisfied with the truck though.



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[mlhansen]

My brother in law had one. Went through several driveshafts. Crazy vibrations. He ended up trading it in and getting a commuter car. Didn’t need 2 trucks since my sister has an F350

 

[jminz]

My brother in law had one. Went through several driveshafts. Crazy vibrations. He ended up trading it in and getting a commuter car. Didn’t need 2 trucks since my sister has an F350

What year, what motor?

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[R3dR0cket]

Honestly the only American Brand I would ever consider over Toyota would be Ford. I like that they didn't take bailout money

If you don't need a truck right this second I would suggest waiting a few years to see what Toyota will do with the Tundra. I would bet that major changes will come soon if they want it to stay competitive in the American market.

FYI, Ford didn't take TARP funds, but they took $9 Billion in loans from the taxpayers...

Tundra will get its facelift soon, its all a part of the cycle. Someone posted a "schedule" a while back of what years. I'd hold out for the next Tundra. 200k is nothing, you've got a few years left.

 

[jminz]

FYI, Ford didn't take TARP funds, but they took $9 Billion in loans from the taxpayers...

Tundra will get its facelift soon, its all a part of the cycle. Someone posted a "schedule" a while back of what years. I'd hold out for the next Tundra. 200k is nothing, you've got a few years left.

Love Toyota but regardless of a Tundra facelift it's still going to get 14mpg. Plus it just feels huge. I think the f150 is the perfect blend of size and economy. Just my opinion. They also tend to cost quite a bit more than an f150.

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[alia176]

If I had to tow a 5,000# boat regularly, I'd be looking at a truck too. I don't think I can add much to this thread except that my 4Runner has 340k miles and I regularly beat the snot out of it towing a 3,500# load. I have to haul water to my house until I fix the well pump.

When I need to haul, my 5x10 with 4' metal walls can haul more junk than prolly most of the "large" pickup truck beds these days. The trailer only cost me $700 I can't stand car payments, much rather pay extra on the mortgage payments :becky:

Anyway, luck with your decision.

 

[jminz]

If I had to tow a 5,000# boat regularly, I'd be looking at a truck too. I don't think I can add much to this thread except that my 4Runner has 340k miles and I regularly beat the snot out of it towing a 3,500# load. I have to haul water to my house until I fix the well pump.

When I need to haul, my 5x10 with 4' metal walls can haul more junk than prolly most of the "large" pickup truck beds these days. The trailer only cost me $700 I can't stand car payments, much rather pay extra on the mortgage payments :becky:

Anyway, luck with your decision.

We are the same in that regard. We have no debt, actually really hate the thought of having it. But Ford does offer 0% financing for 72 months. That's likely the only way I'd get the truck.

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[LTDSC]

i drive a 2018 F150 2.7 EB daily. I love the truck, its my work truck and i would easily buy one.

 

[jminz]

i drive a 2018 F150 2.7 EB daily. I love the truck, its my work truck and i would easily buy one.

Thanks for the feedback! Good to hear. What kind of mileage do you see? 4x4 crew cab?

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[drivermod]

If you get the 2.7 ecoboost, think about getting a tune from Palm Beach Dyno.

62 rwhp and 70 rwtq increase and mostly down low where you will feel it in everyday driving.

Ford F150 2.7L Ecoboost HP Tuners NGauge with Palm Beach Dyno Custom Tuning for 2015-2018