You may want to check Va Code on tint. You have been lucky if you haven't been pulled over for the tint you currently have. Va Code is 50% on the front of the vehicle, no matter if it is a truck/SUV or a passenger car. The rear is limited to 35% for passenger cars but is not limited for tucks/SUVs. The disparity between your front and rear(20 vs 2) is probably what has kept you from getting pulled over already. If you change that tint to be the same on the front and the back, be ready to be pulled over.
Handgun holster mod in a 4R?
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You may want to check Va Code on tint. You have been lucky if you haven't been pulled over for the tint you currently have. Va Code is 50% on the front of the vehicle, no matter if it is a truck/SUV or a passenger car. The rear is limited to 35% for passenger cars but is not limited for tucks/SUVs. The disparity between your front and rear(20 vs 2) is probably what has kept you from getting pulled over already. If you change that tint to be the same on the front and the back, be ready to be pulled over.
Anonymous4Runner
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I'm very well aware of Virginia's current tint laws. I used to have a '99 Silver Metallic 4R with 2% tint all around. I was ticketed 4 times total in a three year timeframe. $96 per ticket...donated about $400 to VA courts. Although the fine ($96 not including increased court fee(s) implemented from last July) can put a dent in someone's checking account...I would rather pay the fine every time than risk my 4R getting broken into. Granted that I live in one of the best neighborhoods in Virginia Beach, but I often visit college towns & I go out of state sometimes to take time off. You just never know what can happen to your 4R when you're in an unfamiliar city or state. I feel much more comfortable knowing I have 2% tint where no one can literally see inside unless they get on top of the front hood and look through the windshield...it sure beats a hefty price to repair broken windows.
I have future plans to add 2% tint to the front windows in the summer, hopefully. I don't really care too much for the police pulling me over for the tint alone. I have more important things to worry about.
Thanks for your heads up post, though! Chesapeake is a nice place...I would rather live at the oceanfront (I live near FC High School). Traffic's a ***** when leaving for Cheseafreak during rush hour on the interstate.
p.s. Virginia State Police don't really care too much for limo tint. I've driven home late at night from the mountains and I've never gotten pulled over by any state troopers that passed me on the interstate at night. Virginia Beach City Police is somewhat lenient with the tint. The thing is, I've gotten ticketed mostly at the Oceanfront during the summer because I'm guessing they're concerned for the locals' & tourists' safety that are walking down the boardwalk. Those times when I got pulled over, I had all windows rolled up on cool summer nights so that's probably the reason why I got pulled over and ticketed. So I'd say the cops assigned near the beach would more than likely pull you over for tint violations alone (I heard they aren't supposed to pull you over without a legitimate reason since a tint violation is considered a secondary offense, not a primary offense). Blacksburg Police don't care, neither does Fairfax, or Harrisonburg police.
I have future plans to add 2% tint to the front windows in the summer, hopefully. I don't really care too much for the police pulling me over for the tint alone. I have more important things to worry about.
Thanks for your heads up post, though! Chesapeake is a nice place...I would rather live at the oceanfront (I live near FC High School). Traffic's a ***** when leaving for Cheseafreak during rush hour on the interstate.
p.s. Virginia State Police don't really care too much for limo tint. I've driven home late at night from the mountains and I've never gotten pulled over by any state troopers that passed me on the interstate at night. Virginia Beach City Police is somewhat lenient with the tint. The thing is, I've gotten ticketed mostly at the Oceanfront during the summer because I'm guessing they're concerned for the locals' & tourists' safety that are walking down the boardwalk. Those times when I got pulled over, I had all windows rolled up on cool summer nights so that's probably the reason why I got pulled over and ticketed. So I'd say the cops assigned near the beach would more than likely pull you over for tint violations alone (I heard they aren't supposed to pull you over without a legitimate reason since a tint violation is considered a secondary offense, not a primary offense). Blacksburg Police don't care, neither does Fairfax, or Harrisonburg police.
Anonymous4Runner
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Solid looks, brother. I chuckled a little bit when you made that comment, anything with the word Texas in it makes me laugh...like how "everything's bigger in Texas", or "In Texas, we love our guns", etc. (No hard feeling for those who are proud natives of Texas!)
Roll Tide! So glad 'Bama took care of business against LSU on the field.
-A fellow Hokie who enjoys watchin' 'Bama go hard.
chucknorris
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I agree
In AZ (and a few other states), you are not required to retreat from a threat if you are in your home or vehicle. Of course, every situation is different, but, if I choose to not let some degenerate carjack me and choose to defend my property I am within the laws of AZ to do so.
13-418. Justification; use of force in defense of residential structure or occupied vehicles; definitions
A. Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, a person is justified in threatening to use or using physical force or deadly physical force against another person if the person reasonably believes himself or another person to be in imminent peril of death or serious physical injury and the person against whom the physical force or deadly physical force is threatened or used was in the process of unlawfully or forcefully entering, or had unlawfully or forcefully entered, a residential structure or occupied vehicle, or had removed or was attempting to remove another person against the other person's will from the residential structure or occupied vehicle.
B. A person has no duty to retreat before threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force pursuant to this section.
C. For the purposes of this section:
1. "Residential structure" has the same meaning prescribed in section 13-1501.
2. "Vehicle" means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, that is designed to transport persons or property.
Anonymous4Runner
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Tint is a primary offense in Virginia. I have been riding with someone who got pulled for tint at least a half dozen times, most of the time the driver is from out of state and their tint was legal in their home state. It doesn't matter in Va. From the people I know that have gotten tint tickets, it has primarily been in Va Beach. I am going to chock it up to you being lucky, you can chock it up to whatever you would like.
From: Virginia State Police - Safety Division
section Section 46.2-1052
Technically speaking, you should have had a class 2 misdemeanor at least once in the 4 years you were speaking about.
I am out on the other end of Chesapeake from you. I am out near Western Branch HS. We must be opposites because I despise the beach for the same reason you hate Chesapeake. The damn traffic.
*While I am contradicting you and arguing the opposing viewpoint, I agree that the tint laws are stupid and they seem to be a revenue generator like a lot of other BS "violations".
One of the things that we get away with that you wouldn't in the western part of the state, is lift tickets. Where I grew up, the troopers would sit on the state line waiting for out of state-ers, with jacked up trucks to come into Va so they could start passing out tickets.
Cheers!
Anonymous4Runner
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Thanks for correcting me on the tint being considered as a primary offense. I'm going to have a nice conversation with my lawyer who's also a close friend of the family. I was told that it was a secondary offense & the officers were not allowed to pull anyone over without a legitimate reason (primary offenses as I previously said earlier), so I'm not happy about that. Not at all. He's going to get an earful.
As for traffic, are you talking about the oceanfront traffic? It's not too bad for the most part during the year, it's just down right AWFUL during the summer with tourists coming to visit our city. Not that I like the idea of tourists spending $ contributing to our local economy, but I just really despise the fact that the city is starting to commercialize everything at the oceanfront. Granted it is a resort city, but what about the locals? I miss the old VB.
As for the handgun holster, I'm going to put this mod on hold until the summer then I should have free time to do work on my 4R!
I disagree. If you have the legal right to be somewhere and some dirtbag is trying to harm you in someway, you have the right to defend yourself. Now I do agree that it is a whole lot easier to leave, but to say someone is in the wrong because they choose to stay and defend themselves is not the right path.
There are states that require you to retreat, if possible, when you are outside your home. There are other states that don't require you to retreat.
But never mistake what is legal for what is ethical and moral. The laws of our nation long ago gave up any pretense of being about right and wrong.
If some dirtbag is threatening an innocent person with death or grave bodily injury, in my opinion it is both ethical and moral for the innocent person to give him a dirtnap, without having to try to run away first.
Yes, the legal aftermath of having done so may make the innocent person wish he'd run away, but that's a different discussion.
Anonymous4Runner
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Yup, that's my thinking. Not that I despise law enforcement, but I wouldn't want to deal with them at all other than helping them out on something. For example, if a friend of mine was killed or if a foe of mine ended up getting killed and I heard through the vines about how it went down, I'd help them out. Dealing with police is a hassle in my experience (i have 100% respect for police but sometimes there are people on this earth you just don't really want to deal with...police happens to be one of them). In this situation, if I kill someone out of self-defense...it's going to be a hassle for myself having to explain the story to them many times only to be asked to repeat the story again so they can confirm that i really did execute the attacker out of self defense. For some reason, I feel like the cops are going to view you as guilty until proven innocent until they get the full story about what happened. I never had an opportunity to talk to few officers in my hometown because I wanted to know their opinions on citizens arming themselves and discussing hypothetical situations where the would be victim gets attacked & he kills the attacker out of self-defense. I wonder how law enforcement feels about citizens arming themselves...
That varies from officer to officer and from location to location. Your part of the country, Virginia, is far more amenable to self defense than my location, Massachusetts.
In the unlikely event that you ever do have to use deadly force, expect to be arrested and face trial. The fighting doesn't end at the scene -- you still have to win in the courtroom.
jediwebdude
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The ones I've talked to much prefer showing up to deal with the mess when it's the bad guy on the ground bleeding rather than the innocent victim.
kinchy
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I have four handguns and a 18.5" 12 gauge pump. The point is I'm not anti gun but with all due respect where do you folks live that you feel it's necessary to be packing 24/7? When we start permitting 18 year olds to carry in bars, restaurants as well as college it's time to get beyond this dodge city mentality. Packing heat brings responsibility. Thinking you're going to get mugged everytime you leave home implies you might want to move or seek counsel from a qualified therapist. Yes, I have a CCP in two states but rarely carry since it's more problematic than protective.
I don't carry because I think I am going to get mugged every time I leave the house. I carry because I believe that there is a good possibility that I will get mugged one time that I leave my house. The same thought process leads me to ensure that I have a spare tire for my vehicle. I don't think I am going to get a flat tire every time I pull out of the driveway. But I do believe that one day I will get a flat tire, and I will be glad that I have the spare. IMHO the inverse theory applies: Anyone who thinks that they are never going to be mugged or are never going to be put in a situation in which they are in danger should get a grip on today's reality. Show me a place within the US in which my safety can be guaranteed. Anytime, Any place, Anyone. I was raised with a boyscout mentality, "Always Prepared".
While I don't get the impression this applies to you, I see it apply to so many others:
So many people view second amendment supporters as gun nuts who are sitting around just waiting to shot someone. All of the people that I know that have CCP's and actually carry on a regular basis, are some of the most non-confrontational people I know. I agree that adding a firearm to a situation changes things. The point that I argue is that it doesn't always change things towards the negative. From the criminal aspect: the argument has always been that if criminals were fearful of anyone carrying a weapon, they would move on elsewhere or it would deter them from committing a crime all together. The other argument from this perspective is that, if the criminals have weapons, why shouldn't the law abiding citizens? From the citizens perspective: The firearm is just another tool that I have at my disposal to help ensure my safety.
I agree with you that there are a number of people who should not be allowed to CC due to their lack of maturity and responsibility. But how should we go about determining who is mature and responsible enough to CC? I think age is a poor classification of maturity. I know plenty of 20 and 30 somethings that I don't think are responsible enough to have a drivers license, but they do. I know plenty of 18 yo that have the lives of other people in their hands everyday, and do quite well at their jobs. My suggestion would be more training and more proof of competence. When I received my CCP, I only had to show that I had attended and passed some form of firearms training. In my case, it was a hunters education course that I took when I was 12 so that I could get a hunting license. It does make me a little uncomfortable to know that there was nothing about that course that taught me how to handle a handgun, nothing that required me to show any type of competence for handling a weapon, marksmanship, or even responsibility. It only required that I be able to read a pamphlet, sit through a class, and pass a test. I firmly believe that some form of competence should need to be displayed before being able to obtain a CCP.
kinchy
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An Example
OK, lets assume for a second you're in a crowded shopping mall. At that mall 3 guys rob a jewelry store using a .357 and .380. Someone with a CCP sees what he thinks are bad guys and pulls out his piece and tells the bad guys to freeze. One of the bad guys starts firing his pistol at the legal CCP owner. Another CCP owner hears the gunfire and decides he's gonna see whats going on. What happens when he fires mistakenly at the other CCP owner instead of the perps or what happens when an off duty LEO chimes in? Now you got a gun fight with people shooting at people with pistols as opposed to getting the bad guys.
I think we agree, the process for acquiring a CCP should be more stringent given the unfortunate occurences in Arizona and Virginia Tech (and numerous others) but permitting lots of people to carry means more lead flying through the air and perhaps more friendly fire than needed. Like I mentionned living in a tri state area where you don't have a CCP in each state leads to more potential problems than it may be worth.
I love my guns. I shoot as often as I can. But carrying is a significant responsibility. As someone indicated you pull that piece out you better have a damn good reason and be ready to use it or someone may take it and use it on you.
OK, lets assume for a second you're in a crowded shopping mall. At that mall 3 guys rob a jewelry store using a .357 and .380. Someone with a CCP sees what he thinks are bad guys and pulls out his piece and tells the bad guys to freeze. One of the bad guys starts firing his pistol at the legal CCP owner. Another CCP owner hears the gunfire and decides he's gonna see whats going on. What happens when he fires mistakenly at the other CCP owner instead of the perps or what happens when an off duty LEO chimes in? Now you got a gun fight with people shooting at people with pistols as opposed to getting the bad guys.
I think we agree, the process for acquiring a CCP should be more stringent given the unfortunate occurences in Arizona and Virginia Tech (and numerous others) but permitting lots of people to carry means more lead flying through the air and perhaps more friendly fire than needed. Like I mentionned living in a tri state area where you don't have a CCP in each state leads to more potential problems than it may be worth.
I love my guns. I shoot as often as I can. But carrying is a significant responsibility. As someone indicated you pull that piece out you better have a damn good reason and be ready to use it or someone may take it and use it on you.
jediwebdude
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a) This scenario is quite unlikely because it is a property crime at a retailer and no one is being shot, so it isn't a true self defense situation.
b) Having a conceal carry permit does not deputize an individual, so it is highly unlikely a CCP will pull a gun and shout freeze.
There was a self defense blog that documented stories from news sources all over the country of situations that almost occurred daily involving people using guns in self defense situations (the blog was sued by a newspaper for copyright infringement and thus shut down). Very rarely did a story appear where a CCP acted irresponsibly, or beyond the realm of their role in a self defense situation.
kinchy
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This is going to go the route of an oil thread. You're in Texas and I can appreciate your opinion. As you so clearly indicated I'm not an anti-gun proponent nor do I have any statistical data to support my opinions but please keep guns away from 18 year olds and alcohol. Last gun show I attended blew me away with guys buying state of the art sniper rifles and assault weapons. I know it's a free country and if your record is clean you're locked and loaded but why do guys need all that firepower? A Barrett 50 caliber sniper rifle?
Unfortunately guns are like Harleys. People buy them and it makes them more relevant in the eyes of those they want to impress. Both are dangerous and require training and experience before using.
I'm done. Have a great new year.
Unfortunately guns are like Harleys. People buy them and it makes them more relevant in the eyes of those they want to impress. Both are dangerous and require training and experience before using.
I'm done. Have a great new year.
