Has anyone ever had a dispute/confrontation because their 4Runner is made in Japan?

[Toffees]

[MENTION=2070]Hitman[/MENTION], you have some weird internal conflicts going on, but I like your moxie

 

[Muzzle of Bees]

I think there is enough evidence here to demonstrate that all nations have many skeletons in their closets.

 

[2012sr5]

Ok, [MENTION=2070]Hitman[/MENTION]. You've repeatedly stated the same thing multiple times (a US flag on an import is hypocritical...I asked why...because a US flag on goods made overseas is hypocritical...I said yeah, but why...because a US flag on a product that put money into some other country's GDP is hypocritical...). You have not stated an actual reason for how doing so amounts to hypocrisy, just repeatedly stated that it is hypocrisy.

It seems to me that the actual reason you think it's hypocritical is because you think we're under some kind of obligation to support American companies or individuals with our money. Not to the extent that we can't buy imports, as you have said yourself, just to the extent that celebrating our patriotism with a flag on import vehicles is hypocritical.

The thing is, no such obligation–expressed or implied–exists. And the US flag represents our freedom from such an obligation.

Remember, hypocrisy is claiming a standard (American patriotism) to which one's behavior does not conform. The decision to put the flag on that import vehicle is supported and defended by our flag. Therefore, that behavior literally can not be hypocritical.

I'm not calling ANYONE a hypocrite. Never did that once.

I see a guy who lives down the road from me who has his Rav4 (which I believe is made only in Canada or Japan) decked out with American flags flapping in the breeze on both sides, as well as stickers that say to support America. Every time I see him on the road, I can't help but think how much of a hypocrite he appears to be in his Japanese car done up with American flags and symbols.

And then when I see that the vehicle is one that was made overseas, I think to myself how hypocritical it is to wave the flag in support of America, but then support the GDP of foreign countries instead.

And yeah, you're not calling anyone else hypocritical at all...

 

[mrblah]

Ok, [MENTION=2070]Hitman[/MENTION]. You've repeatedly stated the same thing multiple times (a US flag on an import is hypocritical...I asked why...because a US flag on goods made overseas is hypocritical...I said yeah, but why...because a US flag on a product that put money into some other country's GDP is hypocritical...). You have not stated an actual reason for how doing so amounts to hypocrisy, just repeatedly stated that it is hypocrisy.

It seems to me that the actual reason you think it's hypocritical is because you think we're under some kind of obligation to support American companies or individuals with our money. Not to the extent that we can't buy imports, as you have said yourself, just to the extent that celebrating our patriotism with a flag on import vehicles is hypocritical.

The thing is, no such obligation–expressed or implied–exists. And the US flag represents our freedom from such an obligation.

Remember, hypocrisy is claiming a standard (American patriotism) to which one's behavior does not conform. The decision to put the flag on that import vehicle is supported and defended by our flag. Therefore, that behavior literally can not be hypocritical.






And yeah, you're not calling anyone else hypocritical at all...

Save your breathe.... I don't think he can conceptualize what freedom of expression is, and what certain objects have different meaning to different people.

I wonder what he thinks of people who fly gay pride flags, dodger flags, laker flags, mexican flags, or whatever flags on their cars.... Its going to be a interesting conversation if he thinks there is a correlation between any of those flags and a vehicle manufacure's country of origin.

 

[LandCruiser]

Can someone tell me what's patriotic about a car built from Mexican and American components by an American company controlled by the Italians who received a massive bailout of US taxpayer money for mismanaging themselves into the dirt?

 

[Ausumm]

But at the end of the day, I make MY choices based upon MY outlook of the world.

Same as the person who puts a flag sticker on his car.
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[Rockatansky88]

My friend hates Toyota because “thy bombed us in Pearl Harbor.”

My Grandfather fought in the pacific in WWII, and for the longest time he wouldn't hear of anyone in his family owning a German or a Japanese car. Then one day he brought home a red Runner, a 1st gen. He never cared much for Japanese people, but he became fond of their cars, no one can deny the quality of Toyota. Still never wouldn't have been caught dead in a German car!

So yeah, they bombed pearl harbor, but we dropped the big one on them, TWICE, and now they make damn fine automobiles.

 

[PaulB-2006 T4R]

The Toyota USA website claims that they employ 137,000 workers in the US. Their worldwide workforce is around 350,000. GM’s worldwide workforce is around 180,000, with about 52,000 in the US.
No matter that Toyota is headquartered in Japan, they make a significant contribution to the US economy in manufacturing alone. When you add in after-market accessories and maintenance/repair facilities and dealers, etc., the positive effects are enormous.
I’d say Toyota is pretty damn good for the US and it’s citizens.

Also Toyota Motors is traded in the NYSE, along side of Ford, GM & FCA.

My Dad will not even look at my 4Runner, he is a buy American guy but where was his Lincoln MKZ made, en Mexico!! My 2006 4Runner was assembled in Ontario.

 

[Baystate4Runner]

….I clear explained that my opinion is that placing an American flag sticker on a vehicle that was built in Japan (or Germany or any other country outside of the USA) is where the hypocrisy stems from in the first place. I'm not saying that it's hypocritical just because it is, I'm saying quite simply like this: American flag on Japanase car = hypocrisy...

I am not sure if you confuse the US flag with a "Made in the USA" sticker. The US Flag is about the Person flying the flag and not the object the flag is on (if it's a sticker).
I fly the US flag and proudly display US flag stickers because I am proud of my country and I am proud to be an American and of my fellow Americans who fought for this flag...the country of manufacture of the object where I put my flag on doesn't matter.
US Marine Force Recon and MEU use Mercedes G Wagons (Interim Fast Attack Vehicle) - do you think the Marines should not display a US flag on their G-Wagon?
I have also seen Canadian Military with a Canada flag on their G-Wagon.
Heck when I travel overseas I put a US flag on my rental car...it's about me - a proud American - and not the car.

 

[HOJeepster]

Japanese made > American Made any day. Kaizen Ninja's MF!

 

[Inv4drZm]

America is better?

No

Better is better.

Hooray for capitalism

 

[Hitman]

So is it ok to put the flag on a tundra or tacoma which is made in America even though is owned by a japanese company and profits go to it? .

No, not in my opinion. I wouldn't put an American flag on any Japanese vehicle, no matter where it was made. But again, that's my opinion. You can do whatever floats your boat.

 

[Hitman]

Ok, [MENTION=2070]Hitman[/MENTION]. You've repeatedly stated the same thing multiple times (a US flag on an import is hypocritical...I asked why...because a US flag on goods made overseas is hypocritical...I said yeah, but why...because a US flag on a product that put money into some other country's GDP is hypocritical...). You have not stated an actual reason for how doing so amounts to hypocrisy, just repeatedly stated that it is hypocrisy.

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How is it that you don't understand that the act of displaying an American flag on a foreign vehicle is in itself what I consider to be hypocritical? Don't try to dig deeper because the answer is right there in front of you.

It seems to me that the actual reason you think it's hypocritical is because you think we're under some kind of obligation to support American companies or individuals with our money. Not to the extent that we can't buy imports, as you have said yourself, just to the extent that celebrating our patriotism with a flag on import vehicles is hypocritical.

Incorrect. That's not the reason. The reason has already been stated several times.

The thing is, no such obligation–expressed or implied–exists. And the US flag represents our freedom from such an obligation.

Remember, hypocrisy is claiming a standard (American patriotism) to which one's behavior does not conform. The decision to put the flag on that import vehicle is supported and defended by our flag. Therefore, that behavior literally can not be hypocritical.

Everyone is a hypocrite. Everyone. Have you ever complained about something other people do, but you've also done yourself? Speeding, for a simple example? Well, then you're a hypocrite. Recognize that and maybe you won't be so offended by me "calling" other people hypocrites. And BTW, when I said that I never called anyone a hypocrite, I'm talking about finger pointing and saying that guy in particular is a hypocrite. Or singling someone out, if that makes you feel better. Do I think my neighbor is a hypocrite? Absolutely. Have I ever told him that? Nope. What's the point? It's serves no purpose. So I'll go about my life believing what I want and he'll do the same.

 

[Hitman]

Save your breathe.... I don't think he can conceptualize what freedom of expression is, and what certain objects have different meaning to different people.

I wonder what he thinks of people who fly gay pride flags, dodger flags, laker flags, mexican flags, or whatever flags on their cars.... Its going to be a interesting conversation if he thinks there is a correlation between any of those flags and a vehicle manufacure's country of origin.

You truly don't get it. Freedom of expression? Did I ever once say that someone should not be free to put an American flag on anything? No, I didn't say that.

 

[Hitman]

Same as the person who puts a flag sticker on his car.
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Exactly. Someone who gets it.

 

[Hitman]

I am not sure if you confuse the US flag with a "Made in the USA" sticker. The US Flag is about the Person flying the flag and not the object the flag is on (if it's a sticker).
I fly the US flag and proudly display US flag stickers because I am proud of my country and I am proud to be an American and of my fellow Americans who fought for this flag...the country of manufacture of the object where I put my flag on doesn't matter.
US Marine Force Recon and MEU use Mercedes G Wagons (Interim Fast Attack Vehicle) - do you think the Marines should not display a US flag on their G-Wagon?
I have also seen Canadian Military with a Canada flag on their G-Wagon.
Heck when I travel overseas I put a US flag on my rental car...it's about me - a proud American - and not the car.

No, I think the US military should not use German vehicles, period.

 

[Hitman]

My 2006 4Runner was assembled in Ontario.

No it wasn't. Every 4Runner on earth has been made in Japan.

 

[Hepar]

No, not in my opinion. I wouldn't put an American flag on any Japanese vehicle, no matter where it was made. But again, that's my opinion. You can do whatever floats your boat.

Is it hypocritical then to just fly an American flag being that the vast majority are made in China?

 

[2012sr5]

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How is it that you don't understand that the act of displaying an American flag on a foreign vehicle is in itself what I consider to be hypocritical? Don't try to dig deeper because the answer is right there in front of you.

Again, I fully understand your conclusion. You have concluded that flying a US flag on a foreign vehicle is hypocritical.
When asked why, you said flying a US flag on goods made overseas is hypocritical (that's the same thing).
When pressed on how that is hypocritical, you said flying a US flag on a good that put money in a foreign country's GDP is hypocritical (also the same thing).
You've restated your conclusion three times without giving any actual premise for it.

Maybe this will help. Let's say statement A = "flying a US flag on a foreign vehicle is hypocritical."

Here's a summary of our conversation:
You: I can't help but think [statement A].
Me: how or why?
You: because [statement A].
Me: yeah, you've said that, but why?
You: because [statement A]. I can't make it any clearer.

When your reason for making statement A is simply a rewording of statement A, congrats, your premise and your conclusion are the same thing. This is circular reasoning.

 

[Hepar]

When your reason for making statement A is simply a rewording of statement A, congrats, your premise and your conclusion are the same thing. This is circular reasoning.

It has almost a buddhist feel to it. It is what it is because it is.