I found "The One", 2001 Sport Ed. TRD SC'd

[Dous]

Do you know what page has this information?
Thanks

I wasn't referring to your question, just the picture quoting, thank for fixing it :cheers:

 

[JoeT4R]

Not trying to be a dick, hope you know that.

That depends, if you are even remotely mechanically inclined i would say yes, if not i would get a buddy that is to help out and show you along the way. The suspensions on our trucks aren't overly complicated or engineered, most everything would come with instructions and you can google how to do damn near anything on our trucks. I would do some more searching and research on everything involved and go for it. No special tools needed, anything you dont have, you could probably rent through a local auto parts store. :thumb:

I definitely know that. It was quite ridiculous for me to do that, haha. But I am mechanically inclined, to an extent. I have learned a lot through just reading posts in threads here on T4R. But okay. Thanks for the information.

 

[BrianSD_42]

[MENTION=97491]Joerocho[/MENTION] , you've got to stop quoting these entire posts man, it eats up bandwidth for the site as well as through the OP's photo-hosting site, edit your post above to save everyone some grief please.

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I just mentioned this to [MENTION=97491]Joerocho[/MENTION] a few days ago.

It is easy to do a partial quote. If I can do it from my phone so can you

What I do is (instead of hitting the quote button) select only the text I want to copy, hit the new post button, then in the text window hit the insert quotes button, hit enter twice, then paste in what I copied, then below it make a comment, then hit post.

Alternatively you can do what I did above and delete out stuff that isn't relevant. But long re-quotes are an eyesore to pretty much everyone.

Other than that ... Cheers!

:hatsoff:

 

[BigFishAllDay]

[MENTION=82211]TCMach[/MENTION] [MENTION=88391]NateMob[/MENTION] [MENTION=51127]Dous[/MENTION] [MENTION=65101]BrianSD_42[/MENTION] : Thanks for holding down the fort! I appreciate you guys looking out.

so, this may sound stupid, but i'm beginning to mod my t4r now that i'm coming into some $$. Anyways, did you install the lift yourself? If so, how? Do you have the tools and stuff?

Yes. Very carefully. Yeah, I have the tools... and stuff.

And i don't mean to speak for him but i'm positive he installed it himself as have many others including me (like 3 times) haha.

Gotta love going through the various stages of suspension tuning, huh?

No doubt nick installed 98% of everything you see on his truck, the dude is a master of all trades.

True story. Thanks for the kind words, Nate!

can you tell me at what notch did you place the front struts at?
And if you left the bump stops in the rear coils?

do you know what page has this information?
Thanks

All of this information has already been written up in this build. I spent many more hours creating an index with links to every peice of information in this thread, located at the bottom of post #1, just so other guys like you could find it easily. For that reason, the extent of my answer here will be limited to this paragraph.

 

[sschaefer3]

Where's the crawler?

:cheer2:

 

[BigFishAllDay]

Where's the crawler?

:cheer2:

In my dreams for now. Last year my Wife and I went from DINK to single income plus kid, so most of what I'll be doing in the near future will involve buying steel and firing up the welder. There may be a few surprises when bonus time rolls around.

I saw your "do you think it's possible" thread the other day. I drooled heavily.

 

[sschaefer3]

Now you know it's possible......

 

[zumogo]

All of this information has already been written up in this build. I spent many more hours creating an index with links to every peice of information in this thread, located at the bottom of post #1, just so other guys like you could find it easily. For that reason, the extent of my answer here will be limited to this paragraph.

Been there done that. I must of missed it. I'll go at it again. Thanks again.

 

[noahjokc]

Thanks and Colorado Recently?

Appreciate all the information you put in your thread. Very helpful.

I was also curious if you have gotten back to 4wheeling in Ouray? If you haven't done Engineer Pass you need to. If you do the Alpine Loop you would do Engineer Pass and Cinnamon Pass back to Animas Forks. The first 6 miles o Engineer from the Ouray side should be a nice trail for 2001.

You have really great setup. Really enjoy reading about it. If you happen to be in Ouray mid September sometime maybe we can do some trails together. I have been going up there for over 20 years.

Jim

 

[jacob7071]

Dude, noahjokc. Quoting all the pictures, really?

We need a facepalm smiley for things like that

 

[BigFishAllDay]

I got the '01 out last weekend for a little fun. A couple locals from TW and I went up to the mountains to Cedro Peak OHV area to explore and do some easy wheeling. The area is pretty mellow (when there's no snow), but it does have one spot that can be challenging.

I didn't take any pics, but one of the other guys got a few good ones. It felt good to get the '01 back on some dirt. I've been focusing on getting the '97 up to 200K so I haven't been driving the '01, and it's been far too long since this truck has seen any action.

One of the Tacomas was locked F/R and I stood ahead to offer some spotting help on one of the lines. He went up so fast I had to jump out of the way.

I went up just about as quick...

A couple of the other lines up/down...

 

[BigFishAllDay]

Also, I don't think I ever posted these pictures, but for anyone who has a CBI rear bumper.....

( [MENTION=82211]TCMach[/MENTION] [MENTION=88391]NateMob[/MENTION] [MENTION=58830]JWaldz[/MENTION] [MENTION=33926]ameining[/MENTION] [MENTION=95196]shinyblackdeer[/MENTION] [MENTION=64712]CBI OffRoad Fab[/MENTION] , and anyone else who's running one of these things)

....be careful dropping off big ledges onto the rear corners of the bumper. The way they are designed, they sit very close to the body. Mine for example, has about 1/2" of clearance between the bumper and the body at the rear corners. When the body mounts/frame flex while wheeling, the bumper sits close enough that it contacts the body. I didn't notice it initially when I got back from Moab, but upon closer inspection it's clear that when the bumper took big hits it made contact with the body and slightly crushed the sheet metal under the tail lights.

I'm considering adding a small body lift to get the bumper away from the body a bit. As it sits now, it will just continue to smash that sheet metal anytime I have to put a corner of the bumper on the rocks while coming off a ledge.

This isn't a huge deal, but I'd prefer not to have body damage occur due to the construction/design of my armor... the same armor that's there to prevent body damage.

See pictures below...

Driver side... notice the indentation and cracked paint. That bottom edge should be perfectly straight.

Passenger side...

I cut the cracked paint back with a razor blade....

...and added some touch up paint.

BTW, the type of drop/hit I'm talking about is illustrated in the video below, @ 1:38 into the video.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/1h3TM4ak6Zo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[TheArkMaster]

So like just a half inch body lift in the rear and have some rake?

 

[TCMach]

Crazy, I dont think I've had any of that on mine, atleast not that I've noticed and I know ive hit the bumper hard because theres a huge dent in the tubing. I'll check tomorow though. I know I had trouble with the bumper rubbing on the body and i shimmed it down and trimmed some of the bumper off to keep it away but that was the inner part, not where your hitting now (looks like you had some rubbing there too though)

EDIT: I'm sure you've seen these but http://www.toyota-4runner.org/sale-suspension-wheels-tires/141295-fs-1-2-bodylifts-3rd-gens.html could fix your issue and a half inch wont mess too much with your spacing with the ARB, sliders, etc

 

[NateMob]

I cant tell you how many times i have gone back and forth on the 1/2" body lift, looks like this was just the push i needed. I need to check and see if mine has inflicted any harm similar to that. Thanks for the heads up Nick, and thanks for sharing the Cedro pictures.

 

[shinyblackdeer]

I'm considering adding a small body lift to get the bumper away from the body a bit. As it sits now, it will just continue to smash that sheet metal anytime I have to put a corner of the bumper on the rocks...

For what it's worth, we have a 1" body lift and ordered the CBI rear to compensate for it, essentially putting us in the same predicament with little clearance. Guess we better avoid those bigger curbs at the mall :wink2:

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Bandit Runner]

Also, I don't think I ever posted these pictures, but for anyone who has a CBI rear bumper.....

....be careful dropping off big ledges onto the rear corners of the bumper. The way they are designed, they sit very close to the body. Mine for example, has about 1/2" of clearance between the bumper and the body at the rear corners. When the body mounts/frame flex while wheeling, the bumper sits close enough that it contacts the body. I didn't notice it initially when I got back from Moab, but upon closer inspection it's clear that when the bumper took big hits it made contact with the body and slightly crushed the sheet metal under the tail lights.

Driver side... notice the indentation and cracked paint. That bottom edge should be perfectly straight.

I have this exact same issue with my custom rear bumper, and I designed in 1" of vertical spacing between the bumper and the fender.

I was surfing Sonoran Steel website the other day and saw a potential fix. Steve sells a set of rear body mounts that will limit the flex between the frame and body:
Rear 4Runner Polyurethane Body Mounts (Pair) - $75.00 : Sonoran Steel, Sonoran Steel Custom Metal Fabrication L.L.C. Custom Toyota Truck Parts

I've been thinking about trying them. Anyone try these yet?

 

[JWaldz]

I just went out and looked and I'm not rubbing anywhere either. CBI did a good job on giving my bumper a good even 3/8" to 1/2" gap all the way around to allow for body flex, but it doesn't look like it's much more than what you have for a gap so I dunno

I do have a 2" body lift, so I don't know if that comes into play as far as the amount of body flex during suspension flex. I've taken some hard hits to the bumper itself and haven't noticed it getting into the body at all. Same goes for my front ARB bumper.

 

[CBI OffRoad Fab]

Thanks for the heads up guys. We will be doing some testing on this issue here in the shop today to see if we can get to the bottom of the problem. It seems as though the culprit is soft/loose body mounts causing the body and frame to flex once the suspension has reached its limit, rather than the impact on the bumper that is causing the issue here. In which case a stiffer body mount may fix the problem. But we will look at it from every angle to be sure. Thanks again for letting us know. We'll post up our findings.

 

[BigFishAllDay]

So like just a half inch body lift in the rear and have some rake?

A body lift is an all or nothing proposition on a 4Runner. You can't install one only on the front or the rear. A body lift would have to be installed all around, unless you're talking about a pickup truck where the bed is separate from cab... and that would just look funny.

Crazy, I dont think I've had any of that on mine, atleast not that I've noticed and I know ive hit the bumper hard because theres a huge dent in the tubing. I'll check tomorow though. I know I had trouble with the bumper rubbing on the body and i shimmed it down and trimmed some of the bumper off to keep it away but that was the inner part, not where your hitting now (looks like you had some rubbing there too though)

EDIT: I'm sure you've seen these but http://www.toyota-4runner.org/sale-suspension-wheels-tires/141295-fs-1-2-bodylifts-3rd-gens.html could fix your issue and a half inch wont mess too much with your spacing with the ARB, sliders, etc

Yeah, I have some rubbing on the body at the front of the bumper wings on either side, at the back of the rear wheel well. If I take the bumper off the rig for any reason, I'll be cutting some material out of there.

I've been looking at those 1/2" body lifts for a long time, but I keep going back and forth between that and just doing the full 1" so I've got the option to do 35's down the road without hacking up my firewall too bad. Thanks for the reminder though.

I cant tell you how many times i have gone back and forth on the 1/2" body lift, looks like this was just the push i needed. I need to check and see if mine has inflicted any harm similar to that. Thanks for the heads up Nick, and thanks for sharing the Cedro pictures.

No problem. Like I said in my reply to TCMach above, I've been in the same boat, going back and forth about the 1/2" body lift. I guess we'll see what the future holds. If you decide to go that route please, please take some good before/after pictures. I have yet to see a good before/after comparison in that thread.

For what it's worth, we have a 1" body lift and ordered the CBI rear to compensate for it, essentially putting us in the same predicament with little clearance. Guess we better avoid those bigger curbs at the mall :wink2:

Thanks for the heads up.

You're welcome. I would definitely stick to the handicap access ramps and speed bumps if I were you. :tongue1:

I have this exact same issue with my custom rear bumper, and I designed in 1" of vertical spacing between the bumper and the fender.

I was surfing Sonoran Steel website the other day and saw a potential fix. Steve sells a set of rear body mounts that will limit the flex between the frame and body:
Rear 4Runner Polyurethane Body Mounts (Pair) - $75.00 : Sonoran Steel, Sonoran Steel Custom Metal Fabrication L.L.C. Custom Toyota Truck Parts

I've been thinking about trying them. Anyone try these yet?

Bandit, that's a great find! I didn't realize that SS sold such a thing. It's interesting to hear that you're having the same issue, even with 1" of spacing. The product narrative on SS website indicates that they had the same problem while making their bumpers with a 1" gap.

Lets page Mr. Steve. [MENTION=1795]sschaefer3[/MENTION] , any thoughts on this matter?

I just went out and looked and I'm not rubbing anywhere either. CBI did a good job on giving my bumper a good even 3/8" to 1/2" gap all the way around to allow for body flex, but it doesn't look like it's much more than what you have for a gap so I dunno

I do have a 2" body lift, so I don't know if that comes into play as far as the amount of body flex during suspension flex. I've taken some hard hits to the bumper itself and haven't noticed it getting into the body at all. Same goes for my front ARB bumper.

Dude, maybe you're not wheeling hard enough?

:heh: kidding.

I don't think the body lift would affect how much the body moves in relation to the frame, unless the body lift pucks stiffen the assembly somehow. Like you mentioned, my ARB has not been an issue and it sits closer to the body than the CBI. However the CBI has taken more hits on the vertical plane, while the hits on the ARB have been more along the horizontal plane.

Check out the link that Bandit posted to SS's page. It seems to indicate that the rear body mounts are softer/have more movement than the others.

Thanks for the heads up guys. We will be doing some testing on this issue here in the shop today to see if we can get to the bottom of the problem. It seems as though the culprit is soft/loose body mounts causing the body and frame to flex once the suspension has reached its limit, rather than the impact on the bumper that is causing the issue here. In which case a stiffer body mount may fix the problem. But we will look at it from every angle to be sure. Thanks again for letting us know. We'll post up our findings.

I'm always glad to be your guinea pig, Nathan. hwell:

I'd say it's a combination of the body mounts flexing, and the bumper taking a hit at the same time. My rear axle rarely sees the bumpstops (ie suspension has reached its limit), and it's still a problem on my rig. The entire frame on these vehicles actually flexes quite a bit. I had mine on a two post lift the other day and the gap between the (CBI) bumper and the body widened up quite a bit due to the frame flexing downward at the rear under the extra weight. Either way, most of your customers probably won't run into this problem, but it might be worth considering the clearances with which your bumpers are manufatured in relation to the body.

Appreciate all the information you put in your thread. Very helpful.

I was also curious if you have gotten back to 4wheeling in Ouray? If you haven't done Engineer Pass you need to. If you do the Alpine Loop you would do Engineer Pass and Cinnamon Pass back to Animas Forks. The first 6 miles o Engineer from the Ouray side should be a nice trail for 2001.

You have really great setup. Really enjoy reading about it. If you happen to be in Ouray mid September sometime maybe we can do some trails together. I have been going up there for over 20 years.

Jim

Thanks, Jim. I appreciate you taking the time to read through the build. I have not been back to Ouray since our last trip. My Wife was pregnant at the time and now we're very busy raising a 1 year old girl. I skipped Engineer because it didn't fit in with the goals for our route, but I'll be back to run it someday. Black Bear is on my short list as well. I'll keep the September time frame in mind, it's probably much less crowded at that time of year.

Also [MENTION=10868]noahjokc[/MENTION] would you mind editing your last post to remove all of the pictures/excess text from the quote. When you quote an entire post like that it just clutters things up.

Dude, noahjokc. Quoting all the pictures, really?

We need a facepalm smiley for things like that

[MENTION=47000]jacob7071[/MENTION], thanks! Good looking out!