I'm getting very worried about the 5th gen
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Thai
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snhrph said:Strangely enough there are NO current incentives on Land Cruiser.Are they selling that much better than T4Rs and Sequoias???
TLC is a low production vehicle...that is, Toyota does not make many of them to begin with (unlike 4runner and Sequoia). Therefore, supply is low. While demand is also low, the buyer of TLC is usually the one that is financially independent (aka rich)...thus, you will always have this small niche of buyers that can afford the TLC (partly as status symbol) no matter what the gas price is.
Pyrohazard
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Has anybody thought of the possibility of alternative fuels. Chevy just released the first mass production hydrogen car. maybe Toyota is laying low to let technology grow and then releasing a more efficient SUV. I don't know... just a thought.
High gas prices and Big american gas hogs with V-8 Full time 4wd, is why Toyota first started to import 4x4 pick-up's which evolved into the 84 4runner all gas sippers with the 20/22r 4cyc motors with mostly stick shift's. and were a great sucsess!. But now all these year's later we are talking about toyota getting rid of the 4runner due to bad milage and expensive gas. The V-8 4runner is a USA thing only. Toyota lost its way with the 4runner.
My predictions about a 5th gen :
Since the FJ and 4runner share platforms , the basic layout of the 4th gen stays the same for a while with up-dates and special pkg's along the way.
When the FJ is done so will the 4runner (as we know it)
Toyota will dump the V-8 full time 4wd model and bring a new Diesel with part time 4wd and maybe a workhorse 4cyc stick. still Keeping the awesome 4.0 going and adding flex fuel.
My predictions about a 5th gen :
Since the FJ and 4runner share platforms , the basic layout of the 4th gen stays the same for a while with up-dates and special pkg's along the way.
When the FJ is done so will the 4runner (as we know it)
Toyota will dump the V-8 full time 4wd model and bring a new Diesel with part time 4wd and maybe a workhorse 4cyc stick. still Keeping the awesome 4.0 going and adding flex fuel.
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djchris713
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what about them FLEXFUEL or hydrogen powered cars? i mean that saves gas, what about having a T4R with flexfuel or something? good for money saving.
SConnors
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In general, Flexfuel doesn't equate to higher fuel mileage. The energy density of methanes and other additives used un "biofuels" is almost always lower than gasoline. Interestingly, however, is that the Octane of these additives is high. This means that some of the refining processes can be slightly relaxed for longer catalyst life. But I'm getting off subject.
That said, if Toyota brings out a Diesel stick shift Runner less than 4 liters, I'll take a loss and trade my current Runner in on the new diesel...
That said, if Toyota brings out a Diesel stick shift Runner less than 4 liters, I'll take a loss and trade my current Runner in on the new diesel...
Uneek said:
In October of 2007, I went the opposite route that the rest of the country is going in. I went from a 2006 (High MPG - avg. of 35.4mpg over the course of my ownership) Honda Civic EX Coupe to a 2008 Toyota 4Runner (V6) Sport 4x4 (avg.ing 20.7mpg so far) I don't regret a thing! Sure, it costs a little more a week to fill up, but I calculated in the extra expense before I made my purchase.
Yeah, I'm single, but I do have a mortgage, utility bills, and an obsession for high end audio and video.
I guess I should be thankful for my decent paying job and excellent budgeting skills 'cause that's what it comes down to.
Anyways... I won't be buying the next gen. 4Runner, but I am very interested to see what it brings (or doesn't bring) to the table. I'm very happy with my '08 and I plan on keeping it until the end.
I've only ever had one complaint about my 4Runner... lack of lighting on the door controls. For that being the only complaint shows you how happy I am with it!
I'm more interested in the possible release of the FT-HS Concept or Supra. I'd love a Toyota sports car, especially a hybrid with the latest gas prices. It would make for a nice 'lil commuter during the summer and keep miles off my Runner!
josh220 said:
I also read an internet article quoting the Auto News statement above. Additionally, I heard a radio business update that stated the same thing (most likely just working off the same Auto News report), which followed up a report earlier this week from a Toy exec. who basically said the only way to bolster sales of older models (i.e., 4Runner) was to redesign "stale models".
Interestingly, the radio report I heard also said that the FJ will NOT be redesigned and will be discontinued when the new 4Runner comes out in 2010.
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eskimochaos
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The problem is that car manufacturers cant keep up with demands of buyers.
Its either:
Too big
Too square
Too round
Too small
Too slow
Too ugly
When car manufacturers try to compensate for this, it is simply too late and it is very evident in a time like this.
The Land Cruiser sales have actually increased. I cant wait till my mom gets the 09 this summer...I get her 04!
Its either:
Too big
Too square
Too round
Too small
Too slow
Too ugly
When car manufacturers try to compensate for this, it is simply too late and it is very evident in a time like this.
The Land Cruiser sales have actually increased. I cant wait till my mom gets the 09 this summer...I get her 04!
Good luck switching to a Jeep. I bought a brand new '07 Jeep Grand Cherokee and only owned it for 1 year. Of that year, it was in the shop for 30 days with random electrical problems, Power steering issues, and a slew of other things breaking on it.
The truck rode nice but it caused me nothing but headaches. It's since been Lemon lawed and I got most of my money back for it. One of my buddies just got a Jeep GC recently also and has already had it back at the shop a couple of times himself. Those things are junk...
Awaiting some spy shots of the 5th gen Runner is driving me insane though.
The truck rode nice but it caused me nothing but headaches. It's since been Lemon lawed and I got most of my money back for it. One of my buddies just got a Jeep GC recently also and has already had it back at the shop a couple of times himself. Those things are junk...
Awaiting some spy shots of the 5th gen Runner is driving me insane though.
JesterJMM said:
Yea, thats the truth. Im coming from a 2006 Hemi Limited Grand Cherokee (WK). Had a MSRP of almost 45K and its a complete pile. KBB was 15K now. At 17,000 miles both differentials needed to be rebuilt, 2 driveshafts, passenger window regulator, Electroninc Throttle Control rendered vehicle undriveable at 16,000 miles, clunky driveline, horrible transmission that kept getting new software flashes that never helped and piss poor service departments. Before that I had a top of the line 2002 Grand Cherokee Overland (WJ) At 40K miles both diffs were rebuilt, windshield leaked, rain sense wipers stopped working requiring new modulke AND new windshield, creaks and rattles, power steering leak, dula zone climate system went out requiring entire dash board to come out to replace chinsy plastic actuator. Was about $2500 worth of warranty work in 1 month. Not to mention Jeeps dont even come with skids or hooks. STAY AWAY. They only good Jeeps are 87-97 4.0 XJ Cherokees and 91-06 Wranglers
the suv segment is definitely going to change over the next few years but i dont think itll be the end. americans have had it good for a long time while the rest of the world has been dealing with higher gas prices. people dont have as many large suvs in europe but those who do buy the diesel. diesels are going to pick up a much larger market share, which is long over due. now that the technology is there for clean diesels, more will show up on the US shores.
i do agree though; suvs will become more recreational or functional as opposed to trendy. trucks will never completely disappear though.
i do agree though; suvs will become more recreational or functional as opposed to trendy. trucks will never completely disappear though.
Kwik8608
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What's really going to make oil prices spike is when people start buying these Hybrid cars. They'll all be getting 40mpg+ and wont need to fill up as often, therefore the gas companies wont be getting as much money, and in result will up their prices to compensate for this.
Also, before I got my runner, I was looking at the Highlander, and brand new it was 33 for the v6, and like 48 for the hybrid. You know how much gas you could get for that difference??
Also, before I got my runner, I was looking at the Highlander, and brand new it was 33 for the v6, and like 48 for the hybrid. You know how much gas you could get for that difference??
