FattyHunter
Member
Haven't seen an issue so far but I doubt there's any. Guys at discount didn't even say anything when I brought my wheels in.
Info on these TRD wheels
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off-road runner
New member
Will do. I bought these so I could mount winter tires on them. I'll prolly throw on a set from the basement next week and maybe put them on the Trail in a month when I go camping. At some point put them on the Trail Premium cause they'll look great on white I'm sure.
The rims look great but realistically, they're going on the truck during hunting season and for the winter so they'll be covered in dirt, mud, and calcium 90% of the time.
I have a 3 inch toytec lift and radflo rear coils, same wheels with BFG KO2 in 285 and no rub, i removed the mud flaps just in case but after turning i don't think it'll rub. I also have light racing UCA.
I really like your set up and lift. Could you give me some more info which toytec lift you have? bilstein 5100? Ultimate Lift? Im really looking into 3" lift as well. Thank You.
dwinters7613
New member
I understand FN wants to sell wheels so they have reps post on this thread that the 7 inch TRD rim "is an installation safety issue" with the 285/70/17 size tire as well as other things that try to demean the use of this rim with tires of that size or larger. I have NO idea what the studies or statistics say on this issue so I will not argue as to wether there is a greater percentage to lean one way or the other. However if you look back maybe 4 or 5 months ago on this thread I had posted an image of my 4runner with the TRD Pro rims and 285/70/17 tire size. I had that tire and rim combo for around 23,000 miles doing rotations every 3,000 miles and ZERO issues with wearing. They were used on and off road a LOT! I did some research on this subject and talked to the 5 guys that work at my local OFF ROAD shop on the issue because I wanted to move up to the 305/70/17. I was told by EVERY one of them that the maunfacture "suggested rim size" does NOT mean that you can't safely mount a 285 size tire or bigger on this size rim and that people have been successfully doing that for a long time. Same exact thing was echoed by the guys at Discount Tire. They said "you might have some abnormal wear if you went up to 35 inch tires but 34's or 33's should be no issue," he also went on to explain that many of them ran 35 inch tires on 7.5 inch rims (which in a way is the equivalent of 34's on a 7 inch rim?) and said they have experienced NO ISSUES on or off road with that rim and tire combo. I have now had my 305/70/17's mounted on my TRD Pro rims for almost 17.000 miles and have NO issues to report(as far as safety or abnormal wear goes). I Rotate every 3000 miles and I am still golden. More highway lately than anything else but they have been off roading pretty heavy 4 different times. I wanted to write this so people can read about different experiences with this size tire and rim combo, like I said I won't argue about whats SAFE but I will state the facts of MY experience and those others that have shared THERE experiences with me in hopes that the CHEAPER TRD Pro rims are not completely passed on by someone because of a post from a retailer. I will keep updating this post as the miles pile on and am highly confident that with what I've seen so far no issues will be had. I am sure there may be others who do have a completely different experience so if there is anyone out there who has, please chime in so people can get both sides.
FattyHunter
Member
Hey man thanks for the compliment.
The kit I got was this one.
https://toyteclifts.3dcartstores.co...ein-5100-Front-Coilovers-FJ4Runner_p_365.html
Basically its the bilstein 5100 and eibach coils with their aluminum top mount, rear is bilstein 5100 also with Radflo coils. I didn't need or want the ultimate lift kit because I won't be adjusting it, my setup allows the truck to sit perfectly leveled.
Here's a few pictures.
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Hey man thanks for the compliment.
The kit I got was this one.
https://toyteclifts.3dcartstores.co...ein-5100-Front-Coilovers-FJ4Runner_p_365.html
Basically its the bilstein 5100 and eibach coils with their aluminum top mount, rear is bilstein 5100 also with Radflo coils. I didn't need or want the ultimate lift kit because I won't be adjusting it, my setup allows the truck to sit perfectly leveled.
Here's a few pictures.
Thank you for the picture illustration. I have a better understanding on the set up. I think I'll pick that up from them. Why didn't you use the rear coils that came with the kit? Are Radflo have better spring rate? Or better?
FattyHunter
Member
Well, the rear superflex coil was out when I ordered my kit, Toytec said I can get the HD coils for same price but I didn't want a rake, so I told them I would get the icon but it was out as well, they have one radflo set left so they hooked me up with it for the same price. Superflex 2.0 is 10% greater spring rate and radflo is 20%. I preferred that because it rides firm just like the Tacoma I had.
BamaRunner
New member
Anyone running the FN wheels without the center cap? I can't get over that flat cap. Looks odd to me.
BlacknTan
New member
I'm no tire expert, but I have done my homework, recently for the new 4Runner, and in the past for other vehicles.
I don't think that FN has been aggressively pushing there wheels here, but I guess that's open to debate.
What I do know, and anyone that peruses the factory specs from the manufacturers will see, is that all the makers I have looked at recommend an 8 inch wheel for the size 265/70R17, with 7 to 9 inch wheels being in the acceptable range. When one goes up to 285's, nothing less that 7.5 is in the recommended range. 305's would go even wider as a minimum.
Will I think there would be dire consequences to one's health and well being for going out of range on the rim width? Probably not, but I figure that the various manufacturers know a lot more than I do about fitting their tires, sop I would tend to follow their advice.
BTW, I'm buying the FN's once I pin down the color, for this very reason
dwinters7613
New member
All manufacturers have this same practice where they say something like "no more than X amount should be applied to X object". They do this to protect themselves from law suits. For example a product is tested and can handle 10,000 pounds of pressure before crushing. The manufacturer suggests no more than 6,000 pounds to be applied to this such object or else failure of such object is YOUR FAULT. Now clearly that does NOT mean that you can not apply more than 6,000 lbs of pressure on such object, it just means that after that amount the risk is yours. This is where people take the "manufacturers suggestion" and turn it into something like "safety issue" or "abnormal wear" when in fact in MY OWN experience none of that applies. Now I am no tire expert either and I am positive that the manufacturers knows more than I do on the subject, but for me to buy a product going ONLY on the "manufacturers suggestion" is cheating myself. I would rather do research on said subject (which I did) and educate myself as much as possible to make an informed decision (which I also did) and go with what I like, in this case a 100 dollar savings on the TRD Pro rims VS the FN and take the small risk my research afforded me and do some experimentation. I will keep updating everyone who is interested with honest posts on this thread of MY experience with 305/70/17's and my TRD Pros. If I do indeed at some point start to notice abnormal wear or experience any safety issues I will sell my TRD Pros and get the FN wheels and post it all up right here for all who are interested. If not I will also post my success story running my TRD Pros on 305's.
JdMeF9SiR2
Registered User
Thanks for showing interest in our wheels. The benefit (as we see it) to going with our wheel would be:
- Our wheel weighs less than the OEM wheel, while maintaining a 955KG (2,100lbs) load rating and is rated / tested with a 285/70R17 tire to achieve this load rating.
- Our wheel comes in an 8" wheel width, which is an approved wheel width for every 265/70R17 and 285/70R17 tire (the two most popular tire sizes for the 3rd, 4th and 5th Generation 4Runners. The OEM wheel is 7" wide, and no tire manufacturer has a 285/70R17 tire that is approved to use with a 7" wide wheel.
- Our wheel is not subject to manufacturer/dealer stop-sales, VIN requirements or other restrictions. I understand that from time to time you can order the OEM wheel without a VIN, but as of this time a VIN is required.
- Our wheel is available in a wider range of color / finish choices to suit different tastes.
The benefits that I see to the OEM wheel are:
- If you wanted to install a particularly narrow tire for a specific purpose, the 7" wheel width might be better suited.
- If you purchase your truck from a dealership that is willing to add the wheels on at time of purchase, finance the wheels along with the truck, and provide a factory warranty on the wheels.
I am not here to bash the OEM wheel in anyway. Our wheel suits a completely different purpose than the OEM wheel. In fact we have ordered hundreds of the OEM wheels for export to countries where they are not available. Some folks just have to have the OEM wheel with the TRD logo, or some want it specifically for the 7" wheel width for a specific purpose (tall and skinny tires for certain snow applications). We brought our wheel to market due to direct requests from dozens of 4Runner (and other Toyota models) owners for an 8" wide wheel, and we did what we think we do best - offer an affordable, light weight, strong wheel in a variety of attractive and aggressive finishes to compliment the style of Toyota trucks.
Thank you very much for the kind words.
We can absolutely offer a bright silver finish, or a mirror/polished look finish. If the demand is there we can offer the finish as a factory finish with no extra charge, or if you want a custom, one-off finish we can make a set in a custom finish for you (prices vary for custom one-off finishes).
We do have a lighter gunmetal with a semi-matte finish that will be released in 2-4 weeks as well. Here is a prototype picture of the semi-matte gunmetal, with professional photos to follow upon release:
Thank you for your feedback and recognition. This is what we are striving to offer everyone - an extremely high quality production with more options.
Your tire guy is right if you are considering a 285/70R17 or wider tire with the OEM 17x7" TRD Pro wheel. It is possible that you might have any issues at all, or it is possible that you might have premature wear down the center of the tire, due to a high-spot / ridge down the center from the tire not being squared off properly on a wheel with an approved width. You may also have a wheel that succumbs to fatigue sooner than expected due to the added load / stress that non-approved tire is putting on the wheel.
If you use the OEM 17x7" wheel with 265/70R17 tires you will not have any wear issues at all.
I appreciate your feedback as both a 4Runner owner and T4R member, but I have to address and take contention with a few points that you made.
We don't make posts to demean anyone's product or to scare anyone into buying our wheels. I have been in the wheel industry for over 15 years, and have done business with thousands of people from all over the world. I have never once used scare tactics or false information to sell our products.
My statements are based on scientific fact. I am happy that you have not had any issues with your wheel and tire setup (I wouldn't want to see or hear of something bad happening to anyone, especially a fellow 4Runner owner), and I feel that most of the folks with wheel/tire setups like you also will not have problems. However, I could never sleep at night knowing that I run a business based on assumption, personal anecdotes, and contradictions to industry standards. These practices can result in serious problems and even injury or worse to someone who is unknowing. We have an obligation as a legitimate business (and I also feel that I have an obligation as a conscientious professional / human being) to provide a safe and scientifically proven product to our customers.
An installer might tell you off the cuff that you "shouldn't" have any problems installing tires that are out of spec for a certain wheel width, but I can guarantee that you if you asked that shop or installer to put a guarantee in writing for you that you won't have any problems they wouldn't do it (it would be a huge liability for them).
Rather than come after us for pointing out genuine hazards that can be verified from reputable sources (i.e. tire manufacturers and third party test companies), I actually think it would be more appropriate to take contention with the installers that are knowingly installing something outside of approved parameters and telling you that you "should be ok." I don't sell products based on "should be." It's just not right, it's not ethical, and it's not fair to the customer.
Please let me give one example outside of wheels and tires. Less than 1% of the population has an allergy to peanuts. That means that 99%+ of the population can knowingly or unknowingly eat peanuts and not have any health complications. However, it's still important to label food products that come in contact with or contain peanuts. Why is that so if 99%+ of the population will never have a problem? The reason : For that 1% or less the consequences can range from uncomfortable, to dangerous or even fatal.
Likewise, and I don't have the exact figure, but for the sake of argument let's say that similarly 99% of the folks who have 285/70R17 tires on 7" wide wheel will not have any problem. And maybe the majority of the 1% who do have the problem will have only very minor issues such as premature tire wear that is identifiable before it becomes unsafe. However, I wouldn't want to be responsible for misleading the one or two (or however many) people that have a very serious or dangerous problem as a result of installing something that every piece of data indicates is unsafe.
BFG, Nitto, Toyo, Cooper, General, etc. have tested all of their tires and have come to the conclusion that specific tires work with a specific range of wheel widths. Don't you think they'd like to broaden their market and make a more inclusive list as well with more wheel widths to gain more customers? If they see premature wear, fatigue, tread separation, run out, etc. occurring 1 out of 1,000, 1 out of 10,000, or whatever their threshold is they are not going to approve a width, just like the food processor isn't going to leave allergens off their label. This is all designed to protect the consumer, especially in the modern world where we cannot all possible be experts in everything that we use and take for granted in our daily life.
I hope my reply doesn't come off as argumentative or harsh. I have no personal problems with your feedback on your setup, nor do I want to come off as attacking you, but I find it necessary to defend our company's position since you stated that we are posting this information just to sell more of our wheels. I guarantee you that we will never sell as many wheels as Toyota sells of the TRD Pro wheel. I am not here to steal business from Toyota either. We are offering a different product for customers who came to us asking for an 8" design to suit their needs and work properly with their tires.
Thank you very much. I appreciate you recognizing that we aren't aggressively pushing our wheels. In fact our wheel came about as a result of a number of customers that brought my attention to this thread, asked me to develop a 17x8" wheel, and then to post photos of our wheels along with the data. This data regarding wheel widths and approved tire sizes isn't exclusive to just our wheel or just the TRD wheel. It's really something that everyone should consider anytime wheels and tires are changed outside of the original equipment.
Thanks again for posting your experience, and I do appreciate you stating that you'd consider our wheels if you ever had problems. I just want to point out one fact to help out anyone who is reading this, but may not have looked at tire manufacturer spec sheets:
Tire manufacturer spec sheets do not list "recommended ranges" for wheel widths. Tire manufacturer spec sheets often do list a single recommended wheel width for a given tire size based on what they've found to be optimal during testing. Please don't confuse this for recommended wheel width ranges, as there is no such thing. In addition to the recommended wheel width, the tire manufacturers give a range of approved rim widths. The range of approved rim widths is not a recommendation. It is a list comprised of a specific range of rim widths for which the manufacturer has tested (using industry standard testing methods) and approved their tires for use without the risk of failure.
For example, a Nitto Terra Grappler in LT305/70R17 has an approved rim width range of : 8.0 - 9.5 inches.
This gives the option for four possible wheel widths (considering standard half inch wheel width increments):
- 8"
- 8.5"
- 9"
- 9.5"
Source: Terra Grappler All-Terrain Light Truck Tire
At what point do we as consumers and even as installers (without scientific data) draw the line as to what is safe and what's not safe? 7.5"? 7.0"? 6.5"? How do we come up with this number? Try something in the real world until it fails, and hopefully it fails in a situation that doesn't put our self (or worse yet an innocent bystander) at risk?
I am not a tire manufacturer (I am a wheel guy), but I have more experience with tires than the average consumer due to my professional training and experience with wheels, and I know enough to not question the tire manufacturer's scientific data which has been tested extensively in laboratory and real world settings. How many of us would buy a tire from a manufacturer that instead of printing approved rim widths prints "should be OK for most people using any rim width?" Why put myself, my customers, and even uninvolved parties (at some point we all drive on public roads) at risk when the data is there and viable, quality alternatives are available?
We can absolutely offer a bright silver finish, or a mirror/polished look finish. If the demand is there we can offer the finish as a factory finish with no extra charge, or if you want a custom, one-off finish we can make a set in a custom finish for you (prices vary for custom one-off finishes).
We do have a lighter gunmetal with a semi-matte finish that will be released in 2-4 weeks as well. Here is a prototype picture of the semi-matte gunmetal, with professional photos to follow upon release:
Thank you for your feedback and recognition. This is what we are striving to offer everyone - an extremely high quality production with more options.
Awesome! The bright silver or mirror/polished sounds like what I'm looking for. I like the lighter gunmetal finish but really prefer a gloss finish compared to a matte. I'd have to see the professional pictures to make up my mind. :cheers:
I'll be in touch, getting the TRD Pro Suspension installed first then it's wheels and tires time.
dwinters7613
New member
Thanks for showing interest in our wheels. The benefit (as we see it) to going with our wheel would be:
- Our wheel weighs less than the OEM wheel, while maintaining a 955KG (2,100lbs) load rating and is rated / tested with a 285/70R17 tire to achieve this load rating.
- Our wheel comes in an 8" wheel width, which is an approved wheel width for every 265/70R17 and 285/70R17 tire (the two most popular tire sizes for the 3rd, 4th and 5th Generation 4Runners. The OEM wheel is 7" wide, and no tire manufacturer has a 285/70R17 tire that is approved to use with a 7" wide wheel.
- Our wheel is not subject to manufacturer/dealer stop-sales, VIN requirements or other restrictions. I understand that from time to time you can order the OEM wheel without a VIN, but as of this time a VIN is required.
- Our wheel is available in a wider range of color / finish choices to suit different tastes.
The benefits that I see to the OEM wheel are:
- If you wanted to install a particularly narrow tire for a specific purpose, the 7" wheel width might be better suited.
- If you purchase your truck from a dealership that is willing to add the wheels on at time of purchase, finance the wheels along with the truck, and provide a factory warranty on the wheels.
I am not here to bash the OEM wheel in anyway. Our wheel suits a completely different purpose than the OEM wheel. In fact we have ordered hundreds of the OEM wheels for export to countries where they are not available. Some folks just have to have the OEM wheel with the TRD logo, or some want it specifically for the 7" wheel width for a specific purpose (tall and skinny tires for certain snow applications). We brought our wheel to market due to direct requests from dozens of 4Runner (and other Toyota models) owners for an 8" wide wheel, and we did what we think we do best - offer an affordable, light weight, strong wheel in a variety of attractive and aggressive finishes to compliment the style of Toyota trucks.
Thank you very much for the kind words.
We can absolutely offer a bright silver finish, or a mirror/polished look finish. If the demand is there we can offer the finish as a factory finish with no extra charge, or if you want a custom, one-off finish we can make a set in a custom finish for you (prices vary for custom one-off finishes).
We do have a lighter gunmetal with a semi-matte finish that will be released in 2-4 weeks as well. Here is a prototype picture of the semi-matte gunmetal, with professional photos to follow upon release:
Thank you for your feedback and recognition. This is what we are striving to offer everyone - an extremely high quality production with more options.
Your tire guy is right if you are considering a 285/70R17 or wider tire with the OEM 17x7" TRD Pro wheel. It is possible that you might have any issues at all, or it is possible that you might have premature wear down the center of the tire, due to a high-spot / ridge down the center from the tire not being squared off properly on a wheel with an approved width. You may also have a wheel that succumbs to fatigue sooner than expected due to the added load / stress that non-approved tire is putting on the wheel.
If you use the OEM 17x7" wheel with 265/70R17 tires you will not have any wear issues at all.
I appreciate your feedback as both a 4Runner owner and T4R member, but I have to address and take contention with a few points that you made.
We don't make posts to demean anyone's product or to scare anyone into buying our wheels. I have been in the wheel industry for over 15 years, and have done business with thousands of people from all over the world. I have never once used scare tactics or false information to sell our products.
My statements are based on scientific fact. I am happy that you have not had any issues with your wheel and tire setup (I wouldn't want to see or hear of something bad happening to anyone, especially a fellow 4Runner owner), and I feel that most of the folks with wheel/tire setups like you also will not have problems. However, I could never sleep at night knowing that I run a business based on assumption, personal anecdotes, and contradictions to industry standards. These practices can result in serious problems and even injury or worse to someone who is unknowing. We have an obligation as a legitimate business (and I also feel that I have an obligation as a conscientious professional / human being) to provide a safe and scientifically proven product to our customers.
An installer might tell you off the cuff that you "shouldn't" have any problems installing tires that are out of spec for a certain wheel width, but I can guarantee that you if you asked that shop or installer to put a guarantee in writing for you that you won't have any problems they wouldn't do it (it would be a huge liability for them).
Rather than come after us for pointing out genuine hazards that can be verified from reputable sources (i.e. tire manufacturers and third party test companies), I actually think it would be more appropriate to take contention with the installers that are knowingly installing something outside of approved parameters and telling you that you "should be ok." I don't sell products based on "should be." It's just not right, it's not ethical, and it's not fair to the customer.
Please let me give one example outside of wheels and tires. Less than 1% of the population has an allergy to peanuts. That means that 99%+ of the population can knowingly or unknowingly eat peanuts and not have any health complications. However, it's still important to label food products that come in contact with or contain peanuts. Why is that so if 99%+ of the population will never have a problem? The reason : For that 1% or less the consequences can range from uncomfortable, to dangerous or even fatal.
Likewise, and I don't have the exact figure, but for the sake of argument let's say that similarly 99% of the folks who have 285/70R17 tires on 7" wide wheel will not have any problem. And maybe the majority of the 1% who do have the problem will have only very minor issues such as premature tire wear that is identifiable before it becomes unsafe. However, I wouldn't want to be responsible for misleading the one or two (or however many) people that have a very serious or dangerous problem as a result of installing something that every piece of data indicates is unsafe.
BFG, Nitto, Toyo, Cooper, General, etc. have tested all of their tires and have come to the conclusion that specific tires work with a specific range of wheel widths. Don't you think they'd like to broaden their market and make a more inclusive list as well with more wheel widths to gain more customers? If they see premature wear, fatigue, tread separation, run out, etc. occurring 1 out of 1,000, 1 out of 10,000, or whatever their threshold is they are not going to approve a width, just like the food processor isn't going to leave allergens off their label. This is all designed to protect the consumer, especially in the modern world where we cannot all possible be experts in everything that we use and take for granted in our daily life.
I hope my reply doesn't come off as argumentative or harsh. I have no personal problems with your feedback on your setup, nor do I want to come off as attacking you, but I find it necessary to defend our company's position since you stated that we are posting this information just to sell more of our wheels. I guarantee you that we will never sell as many wheels as Toyota sells of the TRD Pro wheel. I am not here to steal business from Toyota either. We are offering a different product for customers who came to us asking for an 8" design to suit their needs and work properly with their tires.
Thank you very much. I appreciate you recognizing that we aren't aggressively pushing our wheels. In fact our wheel came about as a result of a number of customers that brought my attention to this thread, asked me to develop a 17x8" wheel, and then to post photos of our wheels along with the data. This data regarding wheel widths and approved tire sizes isn't exclusive to just our wheel or just the TRD wheel. It's really something that everyone should consider anytime wheels and tires are changed outside of the original equipment.
Thanks again for posting your experience, and I do appreciate you stating that you'd consider our wheels if you ever had problems. I just want to point out one fact to help out anyone who is reading this, but may not have looked at tire manufacturer spec sheets:
Tire manufacturer spec sheets do not list "recommended ranges" for wheel widths. Tire manufacturer spec sheets often do list a single recommended wheel width for a given tire size based on what they've found to be optimal during testing. Please don't confuse this for recommended wheel width ranges, as there is no such thing. In addition to the recommended wheel width, the tire manufacturers give a range of approved rim widths. The range of approved rim widths is not a recommendation. It is a list comprised of a specific range of rim widths for which the manufacturer has tested (using industry standard testing methods) and approved their tires for use without the risk of failure.
For example, a Nitto Terra Grappler in LT305/70R17 has an approved rim width range of : 8.0 - 9.5 inches.
This gives the option for four possible wheel widths (considering standard half inch wheel width increments):
- 8"
- 8.5"
- 9"
- 9.5"
Source: Terra Grappler All-Terrain Light Truck Tire
At what point do we as consumers and even as installers (without scientific data) draw the line as to what is safe and what's not safe? 7.5"? 7.0"? 6.5"? How do we come up with this number? Try something in the real world until it fails, and hopefully it fails in a situation that doesn't put our self (or worse yet an innocent bystander) at risk?
I am not a tire manufacturer (I am a wheel guy), but I have more experience with tires than the average consumer due to my professional training and experience with wheels, and I know enough to not question the tire manufacturer's scientific data which has been tested extensively in laboratory and real world settings. How many of us would buy a tire from a manufacturer that instead of printing approved rim widths prints "should be OK for most people using any rim width?" Why put myself, my customers, and even uninvolved parties (at some point we all drive on public roads) at risk when the data is there and viable, quality alternatives are available?
I do not doubt for one second that you are looking out for the customer, and I agree 100 percent with the things you said about not taking a chance at all when it comes to the 1 percent of people out there that are at risk, especially when your a business selling mass product and are at risk of hurting people. I never had an issue with any of your posts on a personal level either. I saw a post a few pages back where you said something to the affect of "our wheel is 8 inches unlike the TRD Pro which you can not safely install the popular 285/70/17 inch tire on because it's a 7 inch rim. I see this as clearly trying to compare and sway a customer who is trying to decide between the two. If you weren't trying to sway an undecided consumer I don't understand the need to state that yours can safely do something the other can't. If you had simply stated the specs of yours and said ours is 100 percent guaranteed safe without ever mentioning the TRD Pro, I would't have mentioned anything about you trying to sway the undecided. It was just an observation that I thought I would throw my two cents into.
I actually think it's a pretty smart move though and am not trying to hate on the tactic. it's definitely something I may have said if roles were reversed. I also understand you were responding to another 4runner member who asked something like "what are the benefits of the FN wheel" so if you would have just said ours is 8 inches theres is 7 inch without the SAFE comment I don't think I would have ever posted that but I do get now where you coming from. I do like the FN wheels a LOT and like I said if I have any issues with mine I am definitely switching em out for the FN. But if your trying to save a hundred dollars and experiment a little (at your own risk of course) like I was then don't be scared away, that's all I was trying to say. i appreciate your posts in any case and look forward to possibly doing business with you. Thanks :hello:
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superman3043
Senior Member
Stumbled across this thread and the FN wheels a few weeks ago, while trying to help a buddy of mine decide on wheels for his 5th gen build. I contacted Dustin immediately and he got us hooked up and I can tell you, I've dealt with a lot of reps in a lot of industries, but Dustin is genuinely one of the best people I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with. I would not hesitate to recommend him, his company, or the product to anybody looking. Hell, if I hadn't just bought wheels last November, I would have ordered myself a set solely off of the single interaction that I had with this man, and you better believe that the next time I'm in the market for wheels, FN will be the first place I go.
Anyway, the install went great and the owner LOVES his set up!
Also, from an engineers' standpoint, just because something can be done outside of an OEMs parameters, doesn't make it the right thing to do. "Approved" wheels widths is not the same thing as "recommended" wheels widths.
Anyway, the install went great and the owner LOVES his set up!
Also, from an engineers' standpoint, just because something can be done outside of an OEMs parameters, doesn't make it the right thing to do. "Approved" wheels widths is not the same thing as "recommended" wheels widths.
Curious question: Does 1" increase in rim width really make a performance difference?
My assumption is no and it really just comes down to what looks better to most people.
I was checking the specs of tires and the difference in tire width between 265/70/17 and 285/70/17 is approximately 10.43" vs 11.22". This is a 0.79" increase in tire width. Excuse my ignorance in advance but my gut tells me 0.79" is not very significant to effect performance.
My assumption is no and it really just comes down to what looks better to most people.
I was checking the specs of tires and the difference in tire width between 265/70/17 and 285/70/17 is approximately 10.43" vs 11.22". This is a 0.79" increase in tire width. Excuse my ignorance in advance but my gut tells me 0.79" is not very significant to effect performance.
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BlacknTan
New member
This is just my opinion ...
I've had to stuff oversize tires on rims that were at the lower end of the acceptable wheel width range for too long, and since I have a viable option with this vehicle, I will not do it anymore, because I paid a price for that in reduced tire wear ... down the center of the tread.
I like the TRD Pro wheel, but I won't put a 265/70R17 on it. A 7 inch wheel is at the low end of the spectrum for that size, and since there is a high quality alternative in the proper 8 inch width, THAT is what I will choose.
I'm not trying to say that my decision is right for everyone. I have my faults, and one of them is that I am NOT my brother's keeper! I'll sleep just as well at night no matter what size wheel anyone chooses to use.
I've had to stuff oversize tires on rims that were at the lower end of the acceptable wheel width range for too long, and since I have a viable option with this vehicle, I will not do it anymore, because I paid a price for that in reduced tire wear ... down the center of the tread.
I like the TRD Pro wheel, but I won't put a 265/70R17 on it. A 7 inch wheel is at the low end of the spectrum for that size, and since there is a high quality alternative in the proper 8 inch width, THAT is what I will choose.
I'm not trying to say that my decision is right for everyone. I have my faults, and one of them is that I am NOT my brother's keeper! I'll sleep just as well at night no matter what size wheel anyone chooses to use.
My reasons for liking the FN Wheel version are:
1. It's lighter which means better performance. Less rotational mass and every bit helps when your running heavy light truck tires.
2. It's wider which means you can run the larger tire sizes and not have to worry. Plus the extra width gives the wheel a deeper dish and almost concave look to it.
3. More finish choices than the TRD wheel. FN Wheels has their stock finish options but also has custom options you can't get with the TRD wheel like a polished or bright silver finish.
Again these are just my reasons for choosing the FN Wheels version. Others opinions may vary.
1. It's lighter which means better performance. Less rotational mass and every bit helps when your running heavy light truck tires.
2. It's wider which means you can run the larger tire sizes and not have to worry. Plus the extra width gives the wheel a deeper dish and almost concave look to it.
3. More finish choices than the TRD wheel. FN Wheels has their stock finish options but also has custom options you can't get with the TRD wheel like a polished or bright silver finish.
Again these are just my reasons for choosing the FN Wheels version. Others opinions may vary.
sn_85
Senior Member
The benefit to a 1" increase in rim width is not about performance. It's about being able to fit a larger tire and be within manufacturer approved specifications. That's not to say that you can't fit a 285/70 on a 7" wide rim as many others have done it, however, they would be doing so at their own discretion against manf. specs. The tire manufacturer publishes specs for a reason and they either feel that the tire does not perform as well, is a safety issue, or not enough testing was done to approve the tire outside their specs. So a lot of people were disappointed when they found the TRD Pro wheel was 7" wide. Had they even done a 7.5" wheel I think most would have been happy enough.
You're also forgetting that a 285/70/17 also has a larger diameter. Most 285's are 32.8" in diameter and a 265/70/17 is 31.7". It's taller and wider on all 4 corners so yes there's a performance and appearance difference in getting a larger tire (not specifically a wider rim itself).
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