Iwb holsters

[Jumpkix]

A glock doesn't have any external indicators that tells the status of the Pictor such as a round indicator or anything on the rear slide to show that it's cocked.

The glock also does not have a safety.

All very valid points. That was initially my first concern too, but in the same discussion I don't really want to waste critical time deactivating a safety. I'm torn between both arguments.

No flack, but meh... some would argue fiddling with a manual safety can be just as dangerous to the inexperienced user. The long safety action is effective, but I agree, it should be practiced over and over again. I think that needs to be done regardless of the presence of a manual safety.

As for the chamber indicator, I can't imagine ever carrying without one in the chamber, so no indicator needed. And if I ever wasn't sure, I'd be more likely to rack the slide a bit and check than look for that tiny obscure lever that's usually the same color as the slide. I've never really found an appreciation for that feature.

Really though, a J frame revolver would make a good first carry gun and is much easier to conceal than a full sized double stack gun. If was was still going into an office, that's probably what I would use specifically for that purpose, assuming business or business casual.

Like I said, I apreciate both arguments. Ultimately, the greatest safety is located between your ears. And between having an extra safety vs extra time (even if it's only .5 seconds), I think I would generally take the reaction time.

I'm honestly not a big fan of revolvers for whatever reason. But since I'm 6' 2" and about 220, I'm not too worried about concealment. I think I could conceal a full size 1911 no problem if I had the right holster for it.

For me at least, I keep my finger straight and rested on the trigger guard until I have my target in my sights. I can't say that's how it would play out in a real situation but that's how I've prepared myself.

^^ x3. I'm the exact same way. Finger straight and off the trigger until I'm 100% ready to fire.

 

[Dark Lord]

This is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt if you must. I may catch some flack for this too... We'll see.

I would not suggest a glock for a ccw pistol for any new shooter or someone ew to pistols. I'm not sure if you're new to shooting or not so I'm just throwing this out there. A glock doesn't have any external indicators that tells the status of the Pictor such as a round indicator or anything on the rear slide to show that it's cocked.

The glock also does not have a safety. Sure, it has the trigger safety but it's not a real good safety because i would think if something will bump the safety then the trigger safety will most likely get pushed in too and will fire the pistol unintentionally.

Look into something that has a manual safety or practice drawing the glock a few hundred times so you get muscle memory to draw the pistol without putting your finger in the trigger area until the pistol is in front of you.

The Gen4 Glocks do have a round indicator on it. It's not as nice as the XD, but nonetheless it's there. I personally don't really care for round indicators since I do traditional brass checks anyway.

I can't give any advice for beginners because it all depends on maturity and whether you feel comfortable or not, but I will say I do not care for handguns with safeties as a concealed carry handgun. Reason being is, your fine motors skills go out the window under stressful conditions. Everything becomes muscle memory, but even with muscle memory things can become different. I have heard in order to get your draw to become somewhat muscle memory, it requires 500 repetitions, but 1000+ repetitions are recommended. Even then, unless you've experienced a similar stressful condition it'll be hard to tell how you react. I look at it as having one less thing to worry about before going bang.

After I bought a Glock, I got rid of my H&K USP and my Kimber 1911 (regretfully, I will never sell a gun ever again). I no longer own any handguns that have external safeties. My handguns are as follows:

Glock 23
Glock 27
S&W M&P .40 Full Size

I just recently picked up the Glock 27 as my backup gun. I almost bought an M&P Shield due to the size, but had a couple issues with it, including the external safety. The external safety wasn't so much of an issue because I could always leave it off, but I had issues with my index finger pressing the magazine release during operation causing the magazine to come loose in turn not chambering the next rounds (BIG problem).

Anyway, that's my two cents on the topic of safeties, but to contribute to the IWB thread portion I currently carry my Glock 23 in a High Noon Mr.Softy Lowride. I've been carrying with that for about 3-4 years now, and recently purchased a SHTFgear.com holster for my Glock 27 which looks pretty promising. Google reviews about the holster and see for yourself. I haven't received it in the mail yet, but I have high hopes for it since I've never tried a hybrid holster before.

 

[LandCruiser]

I have a Colt CCO. It's about the same size as a G30 or a G19--except that it has a 4.25" barrel, so it has much more accuracy and reach for the size.

Depending on the magazine, it either holds 6+1 or 7+1 of 45 ACP.

It's thin and the frame is alloy so it's lightweight. The trigger is a single action job with a 4.5# pull. The trigger is perfect. I can draw and have all seven rounds in the 10 ring at 7 yards in less than 3-4 seconds.

I have never liked the striker fired, trigger safety guns because the triggers suck, the barrels are super short and you're getting shotgun spreads at 7-10 yards, and the lack of an external safety bothers me for a gun that's getting holstered and unholstered several times a day. I practice trigger discipline and never touch the trigger unless I'm about to fire--but to me there's too much that can go wrong when wearing a trigger safety gun IWB (shirt can bunch up against the trigger, or something) that can cause a ND. I think that guns like that are better as open carry service pistols, where nothing can interfere with the trigger when holstering it into a rigid, external holster.

 

[bofa]

I have a Colt CCO. It's about the same size as a G30 or a G19--except that it has a 4.25" barrel, so it has much more accuracy and reach for the size.

Depending on the magazine, it either holds 6+1 or 7+1 of 45 ACP.

It's thin and the frame is alloy so it's lightweight. The trigger is a single action job with a 4.5# pull. The trigger is perfect. I can draw and have all seven rounds in the 10 ring at 7 yards in less than 3-4 seconds.

I have never liked the striker fired, trigger safety guns because the triggers suck, the barrels are super short and you're getting shotgun spreads at 7-10 yards, and the lack of an external safety bothers me for a gun that's getting holstered and unholstered several times a day. I practice trigger discipline and never touch the trigger unless I'm about to fire--but to me there's too much that can go wrong when wearing a trigger safety gun IWB (shirt can bunch up against the trigger, or something) that can cause a ND. I think that guns like that are better as open carry service pistols, where nothing can interfere with the trigger when holstering it into a rigid, external holster.

If you are using a proper holster, I can't see how your shirt would ever bind the trigger, especially the dual stage types with 5+ lbs of pull. The biggest risk is squeezing it yourself. But that exists even with 1911s... like this dote.

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[LandCruiser]

If you are using a proper holster, I can't see how your shirt would ever bind the trigger, especially the dual stage types with 5+ lbs of pull.

Soft cheap-ass holster some idiot gets at Wal-Mart or Cabela's for his Glock 22 (like those Blackhawk!!! holsters) will bunch up on itself and pull the trigger.

5.5 pounds is nothing.

 

[nevada]

im also in the NO safety camp.
altho, my carry piece does have a safety, its also a de-cocker, I use that and keep it chambered. always.

 

[bofa]

Soft cheap-ass holster some idiot gets at Wal-Mart or Cabela's for his Glock 22 (like those Blackhawk!!! holsters) will bunch up on itself and pull the trigger.

5.5 pounds is nothing.

Yup I agree there. A molded holster or firm material gives you the best chance to not shoot your pecker off.

 

[RunninInGA]

I know, stupid in retrospect. I have slim fit pants and a tight wide leather belt, never felt I was in danger of having it drop down my pant leg for my ten minute shop but yeah, use the Galco always.

Thanks DADS!

Thought about this thread when I read the story.

Man accidentally fires gun in Athens restaurant | Online Athens

The bullet passed through his seat then ricocheted off the floor and landed on top of the chair, police said.

The gun was not in a holster, but was wedged between his belt and pants, police said.

 

[nevada]

my alien gear holster finally showed up the other day. it was a few day short of a full month.

I haven't been able to use it yet, still waiting to get some larger pants, so it fits.

I did slide it into place, just to see how it fit. it felt pretty good, I think im going to like it.

I have to say, its a very nice holster. thick leather, and quality fasteners and hardware. it also came with a little bag of extra screws/nuts/spacers, and an allen wrench.

when I ordered it, I also got some leather belt loops, in case I didn't like the steel clips, or if they bothered me. unfortunately, these were somehow backordered. im not sure how they didn't have a 6" strip of leather, but ok.

 

[wallytoo]

i use a cheap nylon iwb by blackhawk for my gov't size 1911. it's comfortable when driving, although it IS moderately difficult to access at that time. however, when working, which is primarily walking in the woods with 45 lbs of gear, it's a comfortable carry piece/setup, and iwb keeps it relatively clean and free of tree debris.

i'm not large, but i can cc that full-size pretty well. i also don't have much concern about reholstering. i just want it in the same place, with decent retention, and moderate comfort.

for owb carry, i use a sig kydex with adjustable cant.

 

[MyHigh]

Lol....I don't know how to cut and paste articles and I'm on my iPad but funny article here in Portland.

A thug tried robbing someone not to long ago, well turns out the other guy had a gun so the thug took off, unfortunatly for him he shot his pecker off while thrusting the gun in his waistband, lol.....I love it!! Natural selection at its finest.

I just started carrying and have my Oregon ccl, Utah ccl, and Arizona. It's a shame I can't just get one instead of having to carry three cards.

In the summer I have a kahr p380 no safety but looong trigger pull, I love it sometimes I forget I have it on me, just a pocket holster. In winter with more clothing I have a galco iwb holster for my Kimber ultra carry II.

Can't wait to gt those new rounds, that splinter off in like 12 pieces on impact, especially for the .380. Some say it's not enough firepower but I see it as more a up close and personal gun, so I dont know, too each his own I guess.