JGC VS 4Runner. Can we sticky this?

Few days ago I've returned 2012 JGC under the Lemon Law and just got the 2014 SR5 - so far loving it.

JGC was a little better mannered on the highway and definitely more luxurious but the SR5 is by no means not a pleasure to drive. 4runner feels a lot more solid too. MY JGC had all the bells and whistles, 4lo, skid plates etc. so it was capable off road - 4runner beats it. The nav was better on the Jeep but the apps on entune I do like better on my T4R. Cornering at high speeds was better on the Jeep - you can really whip that thing arround. No matter how I drove it though I could never get more then 20mpg - my T4R got 22 toady on a 20 mile trip - some stop signs and rest 70% hwy. T4R is bigger, has more storage and feels like it will last for ever!

Would be cool if T4R had 6 gears as I tend to drive 80 on the hwy
 
electr0mix said:
Few days ago I've returned 2012 JGC under the Lemon Law and just got the 2014 SR5 - so far loving it.

JGC was a little better mannered on the highway and definitely more luxurious but the SR5 is by no means not a pleasure to drive. 4runner feels a lot more solid too. MY JGC had all the bells and whistles, 4lo, skid plates etc. so it was capable off road - 4runner beats it. The nav was better on the Jeep but the apps on entune I do like better on my T4R. Cornering at high speeds was better on the Jeep - you can really whip that thing arround. No matter how I drove it though I could never get more then 20mpg - my T4R got 22 toady on a 20 mile trip - some stop signs and rest 70% hwy. T4R is bigger, has more storage and feels like it will last for ever!

Would be cool if T4R had 6 gears as I tend to drive 80 on the hwy
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Out of curiosity, what was the major problem with the JGC that allowed you to return it under the Lemon Law? Good choice with the T4R :D
 
Made humming/pulsating noise from the drive chain while accelerating over 60 MPH.
You could hear it and feel it in the gas pedal. Got worse when going up hills.

I was a long process - 30+ days of repairs for same issue plus they tried to fix it over 5 times. Gave them plenty of chances to get it resolved before my lawyer had to make moves.

- The more I drive the T4R the more I like it.
 
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Picking up my 15 TE tomorrow from dealership - I had a 14 cherokee trail hawk that is going back to chrysler under the lemon law by the end of the month. That car was nothing but problems - 2 failed transmissions, 2 failed transfer cases, and 1 failed rear diff. Total warranty repairs and labor over $35k and over 2 months in service. Looking forward to the reliability of the 4runner!!!
 
Segalldontfly said:
Picking up my 15 TE tomorrow from dealership - I had a 14 cherokee trail hawk that is going back to chrysler under the lemon law by the end of the month. That car was nothing but problems - 2 failed transmissions, 2 failed transfer cases, and 1 failed rear diff. Total warranty repairs and labor over $35k and over 2 months in service. Looking forward to the reliability of the 4runner!!!
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And people complain about the 4runner's outdated 5sp trans....I will take a reliable/durable and time tested 5 speed transmission, over those obnoxious CVT or 8 or 9 speed weak and problematic transmissions any day. Also, as far as the Cherokee goes...what is the point of a "Off Road" vehicle that was designed in a way that makes it impossible to lift?

Lifting The 2014 Jeep Cherokee 'Not Feasible' [UPDATED]
 
This subject has me emotionally charged. I made the mistake with two Chrysler products in my past, and both were expensive with repetitive issues. Even being a particular details oriented aerospace professional, complete following of maintenance intervals and dealer service during the warranty period provided a no better experience. Even my two Land Rover Discoveries were more reliable than the two Chryslers.

I doubt that Fiat's majority ownership will fair any better for the future. For Jeep's sake as the last American made 4-Wheeler; I hope they can break away from or maintain some form of independence from Sergio Marchionne (CEO).
 
Digitalwiz said:
Complete List of all the problems with my 2014 Toyota 4runner listed below:

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meh..i got nothing...
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Wish I could say the same.

The Jeep is a far more refined and comfortable vehicle it's just kinda confused. It's more of a mommy mobile and not a real truck. Also far more electronics and electronic issues. But sales numbers don't lie, apparently people don't have an issue with questionable reliability. I love peace of mind and resale value personally.
 
I drove my drunk friend home from the bar in his SRT8. Since I was not even keeping up 1:4 drinks with him, I figure I'll just drive and cut back that night.

He bought his 2012 Jeep SRT8 off of Carmax for pretty much the same price I paid for my 2015 Limited. He paid I think $2500 extra for the CarMax maxcare extended 6 year bumper to bumper with $50 deductible warranty package.

I must say it is a pretty sweet SUV. The offroad capability probably sucks. But who actually uses their Jeep/4runner more than 50% of the time offroad. It is definitely a nice highway cruiser. Also I managed to get a 4 wheel chirp when I floored it coming from a slow roll just to see.

$41k + $2.5k + tax is not too bad for a SRT8. The interior is actually quite nice.
 
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Sorry, but I can only laugh at a thread like this. Lets be real here....all vehicles have issues. That's a fact. Does the 4Runner have fewer issues, comparatively speaking, when compared to the Grand Cherokee? Sure, I don't think anyone is denying that. But the fact remains that 4Runners have issues as well. And for what it's worth, Jeep sells A TON more Grand Cherokees than Toyota sells 4Runners. So more Grand Cherokees on the road means that there's obviously more opportunity for issues to arise. This is Common Sense 101.

I had my 4th gen 4Runner for 11 years (purchased it new in 2004) and it was a great vehicle. The list of problems was limited to just a few things--1- wheel studs were frail and I replaced every last one of them when they started to snap. This is a common issues with at least the 4th gen 4Runners. Again, not a huge deal, but I'd say that it could have been a huge deal if they had caused a wheel to fall off. 2- Front break caliper pistons were always seizing up. I had to replace the calipers 4 times in the 11 years I owned my 4Runner. That is another known defect on the 4th gen. 3-- Windshield wiper motor switch went bad. Fixed under warranty. 4-- Vehicle would not go into 4wd. This is something that got progressively worse over time until it would not engage 4wd at all. Unfortunately, this wasn't under warranty and was not an inexpensive repair. Oh, and I can't forget the infamous driveshaft clunk that plagued my 4Runner from the beginning. I slid underneath and greased it every single oil change, just to keep it somewhat under control.

EDIT: Also, I'd surely not want to forget to mention how my 4Runner's dashboard started to look like a dried up lake bed, with cracks all over the place after it was about five years old. That's sad for a vehicle that was cared for and kept in a garage. Very little time sitting in the sun, yet the dash still cracked liked crazy.

So yeah, I still think 4Runners are great vehicles, but to think that they are absolutely bulletproof is basically a pipe dream. For the first few years under warranty, no problem. Something goes wrong and the dealer will fix it. Same thing is true no matter what vehicle you own. After the warranty is expired, you're on your own, again, no matter the vehicle. Keep ANY vehicle long enough and you'll most definitely have something go wrong that will cost you money. Again, the 4Runner is probably better than most when it comes to the longer term reliability. But just one look at the "Problems & Warranty Issues" section of this very forum is all the proof anyone should need to know that 4Runners have plenty of things that can go wrong too.
 
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T.Rock said:
Sorry, but I can only laugh at a thread like this. Lets be real here....all vehicles have issues. That's a fact. Does the 4Runner have fewer issues, comparatively speaking, when compared to the Grand Cherokee? Sure, I don't think anyone is denying that. But the fact remains that 4Runners have issues as well. And for what it's worth, Jeep sells A TON more Grand Cherokees than Toyota sells 4Runners. So more Grand Cherokees on the road means that there's obviously more opportunity for issues to arise. This is Common Sense 101.

I had my 4th gen 4Runner for 11 years (purchased it new in 2004) and it was a great vehicle. The list of problems was limited to just a few things--1- wheel studs were frail and I replaced every last one of them when they started to snap. This is a common issues with at least the 4th gen 4Runners. Again, not a huge deal, but I'd say that it could have been a huge deal if they had caused a wheel to fall off. 2- Front break caliper pistons were always seizing up. I had to replace the calipers 4 times in the 11 years I owned my 4Runner. That is another known defect on the 4th gen. 3-- Windshield wiper motor switch went bad. Fixed under warranty. 4-- Vehicle would not go into 4wd. This is something that got progressively worse over time until it would not engage 4wd at all. Unfortunately, this wasn't under warranty and was not an inexpensive repair. Oh, and I can't forget the infamous driveshaft clunk that plagued my 4Runner from the beginning. I slid underneath and greased it every single oil change, just to keep it somewhat under control.

EDIT: Also, I'd surely not want to forget to mention how my 4Runner's dashboard started to look like a dried up lake bed, with cracks all over the place after it was about five years old. That's sad for a vehicle that was cared for and kept in a garage. Very little time sitting in the sun, yet the dash still cracked liked crazy.

So yeah, I still think 4Runners are great vehicles, but to think that they are absolutely bulletproof is basically a pipe dream. For the first few years under warranty, no problem. Something goes wrong and the dealer will fix it. Same thing is true no matter what vehicle you own. After the warranty is expired, you're on your own, again, no matter the vehicle. Keep ANY vehicle long enough and you'll most definitely have something go wrong that will cost you money. Again, the 4Runner is probably better than most when it comes to the longer term reliability. But just one look at the "Problems & Warranty Issues" section of this very forum is all the proof anyone should need to know that 4Runners have plenty of things that can go wrong too.
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I know at least 4 people that have or had Grand Cherokees and they had nothing but problems with them. And I'm not talking about little things here or there I'm talking about major things constantly. My friend has to replace the transmission at 80k, my in laws had electrical issues that caused all the gauges to go out frequently and the dealer could never find the cause. Having had about 10 Toyotas including 2 4Runners and a Fj, I've never had any major problem ever. Yes I've had little convenience things replaced, like the compass on the dash of the Fj, but never anything that would leave me on the side of the road. I learn from other people's experiences and from that I would never own a Chrysler product.
 
I agree with T.Rock. All vehicles can and will have issues. The Diehards will always say that their brand is the best and the rest are all junk. There is no denying that Toyota statistically has better reliability. This is why I purchased one. But, there is no denying the sales numbers either. If you're like the typical Anerican, or Canadian, who trades in their cars every 3-5 years who really cares about reliability? People obviously like the ride and features of the Grand Cherokees or they wouldn't sell. If I didn't care much about money and knew for sure I would trade my 50k vehicle in every 3 years, I would definitely give full consideration to a GC. They are actually the only other SUV on the market that I liked the drive of and the V8 hauls ass. They drive like tanks.

Back in 2009 I test drove a 2006 Sport 4Runner. I didn't like how it drove at all when compared to the 2002 V8 Limited Grand Cherokee we had. Just didn't feel as solid. I ended up buying a brand new 4dr Jeep Wrangler in early 2010. The 5th Gen LE drives WAY better than that Sport and I am VERY happy with my 4Runner! I get compliments from time-to-time on how nice my truck is or how cool it looks. While trivial, who doesn't love that?
 
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Jgc are great trucks. Their interiors are way nicer... (Like Mercedes vs Honda nicer) and their awd systems is very good. That said, I just prefer the 4runners for better reliability and ease of modification for more hardcore off roading.
 
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