And not to rain on your parade but my new 2014 TEP 4Runner's entune system locks up like that at least once a week. Some days it will do it every 5 minutes. The only difference between our crappy infotainment systems is he's at least got a gorgeous interface and giant screen. I'm got something that looks like it's from 2002.
JGC VS 4Runner. Can we sticky this?
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Then get rid of it, if it's a hill to die on, yeah?
I haven't had a problem yet with my '15 Trail's Entune. Resale value and reliability are enough for me to choose the Toyota. Plus body on frame vs glorified unibody and superior off road capability.
Of course I wouldn't get rid of it. But posting videos of a jeep having a problem with his navigation system and not immediately following it up with "oh ya, we have the same crap" is only telling half the story.
My $90k Jag's navigation crashes on hot days too so we're not talking Toyota vs. Jeep here. It's just tech and tech crashes.
My $90k Jag's navigation crashes on hot days too so we're not talking Toyota vs. Jeep here. It's just tech and tech crashes.
I made the switch!
I had a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 4x2 with the V8 Hemi. I loved it but what I didn't love was the never ending flow of recall notices. I bought it in July 2013 and put 40,000 miles on it. I only had minor nagging problems but I decided to get rid of it when the warranty ran out and the electronic power steering started making noises.
So instead of putting a new set of tires on it I decided to trade it in on a 2016 T4R SR5. I love my new 4Runner especially the size but I miss the V8. I get the same gas mileage with the V6 as I did with the Hemi. Both got around 19 MPG.
I had a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 4x2 with the V8 Hemi. I loved it but what I didn't love was the never ending flow of recall notices. I bought it in July 2013 and put 40,000 miles on it. I only had minor nagging problems but I decided to get rid of it when the warranty ran out and the electronic power steering started making noises.
So instead of putting a new set of tires on it I decided to trade it in on a 2016 T4R SR5. I love my new 4Runner especially the size but I miss the V8. I get the same gas mileage with the V6 as I did with the Hemi. Both got around 19 MPG.
BlackWorksInc
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Just be happy you got rid of the Hemi before the valve seats worked loose, or the other issues they seem to have.
Jhalko
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You my friend have a feather foot! I got 14mpg with my jgc and after bolting a bunch of steel on and lifting my4runner I still get 18.
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You are right about the reliability but the JGC is holding its value pretty well. I know because I just traded a 2014 JGC on a 2016 T4R. (I will add that I negotiated hard on both purchases and I keep all my vehicles in immaculate condition.)
You are right about the reliability but the JGC is holding its value pretty well. I know because I just traded a 2014 JGC on a 2016 T4R. (I will add that I negotiated hard on both purchases and I keep all my vehicles in immaculate condition.)
Re: Feather foot - I live in Atlanta. No sense in racing to the next red light! LOL. I did get on my Hemi when I needed it for passing! That was sweet!
jerseyrunner5
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I had a 2014 JGG I got inJuly 2014 and by Thankgiving I had gotten rid of it. The car was awful. The transmission would not select a gear, it had to be replaced. The check engine light was on the day after I got it. The infotainment was so glitchy. The 4x4 didn't seems to work nearly as well as I had hoped. The seats in the front didn't hold up well even after a few months. With less than 4000 miles I had gotten it bought back by Chrysler for transmission and radio issues. Worst car I have ever owned. I traded my Touareg V8 in on that car and as much as I love my 4R no car will ever compare to that VW.
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There are a couple of SUV I would gladly lease.
1.) JGC SRT edition
2.) Porsche Cayenne turbo
3.) Toureg V10 diesel (do they still make the v10?)
Remember I said lease... because no way I would ever own one of those things and have to deal with the myriad of issues once it is not longer in warranty.
1.) JGC SRT edition
2.) Porsche Cayenne turbo
3.) Toureg V10 diesel (do they still make the v10?)
Remember I said lease... because no way I would ever own one of those things and have to deal with the myriad of issues once it is not longer in warranty.
I can't understand why Chrysler Fiat doesn't make reliability and longevity the foremost goal... I think if they did it would help turn everything around for them. They just recently got ripped again for having the most brands in the bottom of the list for reliability.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee is a great vehicle on paper. It's a little bit smaller vehicle than the T4R and it straddles the line between function and luxury better. It offers a more diverse variety of powertrain options. That being said I couldn't foresee myself making the switch back to Jeep after having owned my 4Runner for three years. My JGC had so many issues, some minor, some not... it really hurts the brand, that and chasing untested tech for options.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee is a great vehicle on paper. It's a little bit smaller vehicle than the T4R and it straddles the line between function and luxury better. It offers a more diverse variety of powertrain options. That being said I couldn't foresee myself making the switch back to Jeep after having owned my 4Runner for three years. My JGC had so many issues, some minor, some not... it really hurts the brand, that and chasing untested tech for options.
The Waco Kid
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I think those went by the wayside after 2010. The refresh was in 2011, I think.
I'm fairly confident that's when it happened, as that's when I started my new car search... 2011 - 13. 2 years of researching.
Jetboy
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You can buy a Cayenne turbo for less than $20k used. I suspect many owners feel the same way.
jerseyrunner5
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The last year they made the V10 was in 2008 and by then they were 70k+. I was obsessed with my Touareg and will get another one at some point. V10s were sick but they were so expensive to maintain and to replaced both turbos the whole engine needed to be dropped.
Mtbkr
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4Runner over Wrangler
The Wrangler Rubicon is by far the better hard core rock crawler. I traded my '13 JKRU for '16 4RT. For me it came down to practicality. The Jeep is terrible as a daily driver and the 4R is an passable trail machine. Both are good vehicles but I suspect (hope) the 4R has the best long term reliability. Next week I will perform some suspension mods on the 4RT and upgrade the tires. Looking forward to tinkering again.
The Wrangler Rubicon is by far the better hard core rock crawler. I traded my '13 JKRU for '16 4RT. For me it came down to practicality. The Jeep is terrible as a daily driver and the 4R is an passable trail machine. Both are good vehicles but I suspect (hope) the 4R has the best long term reliability. Next week I will perform some suspension mods on the 4RT and upgrade the tires. Looking forward to tinkering again.
GhostRider8
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Thanks for this info! I actually was set to buy a JGC and the salesman never seemed to be able to return my calls. I liked the 4Runner better anyway but jeep had better discount. Low and behold Toyota salesman got me what I needed and I bought 2016 SR5 premium.
I'm buying this right after having lemon lawed a 2015 Mustang, the last thing I want is more problems.
I'm buying this right after having lemon lawed a 2015 Mustang, the last thing I want is more problems.
NorcalGPS44
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I would like to add my 2 cents. I have a 2014 WK2 Eco-diesel limited, with the air suspension. I have newer copper at3s and Mopar rock-sliders and the thing is very well sorted off road, but also I get 30 mpg without trying. We are coming up on 40,000 trouble free miles, nothing has gone wrong, nothing has broken, nothing is wrong. On the flip side my dad's Toyota Tundra work truck is a heaping pile of garbage. Sure it lives a hard life, but four rear axle replacements and two transfer case replacements later, we finally but a dynatrac 60 and an atlas two speed in it, and its solved that problem.
I will say that what will go wrong with the WK2 is the air compressor will die at about 100,000 miles, 2000 dollar replacement. I own a 3rd gen with a lot of mileage and as a replacement, I'm considering another WK2, maybe a trail hawk with the diesel.
As a side note, i have always had really crappy service and dumb techs at Toyota dealers and great service and ASC certified mechanics at my Jeep dealer. So there is that too...
Different view points I guess.
I will say that what will go wrong with the WK2 is the air compressor will die at about 100,000 miles, 2000 dollar replacement. I own a 3rd gen with a lot of mileage and as a replacement, I'm considering another WK2, maybe a trail hawk with the diesel.
As a side note, i have always had really crappy service and dumb techs at Toyota dealers and great service and ASC certified mechanics at my Jeep dealer. So there is that too...
Different view points I guess.
GhostRider8
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Good contrast, just as stated earlier in this thread everything mechanical has issues. I owned jeeps years ago 92 XJ and 95 XJ they were outstanding the 95 had 265k flawless miles when it was totaled. I would have driven it across the US with 265k. Fords customer service is really what burnt my loyalty. If a company refuses to fix their faulty product I'm gone.
Jetboy
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Sounds like bull shit. It would have been lemon lawed. And a tundra axle is much bigger than a d60. No one would ever do a Tundra rear to D60 swap. A D60 is barely bigger than a LC 9.5" diff. Heck it's only a tad larger than the IFS 8.7 diff in the Tundra. Not to mention that Dynatrac doesn't make a rear axle with a 5x150 bolt pattern, so how did you convert it? What did you do for tone rings? (You'd now have no speedometer or abs or traction control and a permanent warning light if you use a regular dynatrac axle.) And I'm not aware of any adapter for a Tundra transmission to Atlas. What adapter did you use? If you're gonna make shit up - at least try a little harder to learn a few basic facts.
Also you said you bought a 2001 4runner to replace a For Explorer in late 2013. But somehow you've also put 40k miles on a '14 WK2?
Pro tip: create a new account when you want to troll.
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FrontRange4Runner
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This is a vehicle that I really wanted for a while. I'm glad you are having no issues with it. I really wanted Jeep to get the diesel right. Their market penetration could do wonders for making Toyota pony up and get a diesel here. Unfortunately, we all know that comparing an abused work truck to a new vehicle with 40K is not even close to fair and comparing the brands based on that would be shady at best. Toyota makes the most robust and reliable vehicles - this is proven by the simple fact that they are used everywhere by everyone, especially in remote and unsupported places. Jeep makes much more technologically advanced vehicles that drive better and are better all around daily drivers (Wrangler excluded) . Realistically it comes down to choice...reliability or DD luxury; both have their merits.
