KDSS is insane

[Wakeborder556]

What an improvement over other 5th gens on road alone. I got to take my new TE out to the woods today to play around with some of the TE goodies and I'm just really really impressed by KDSS. Without having to get out of the truck I can hop off paved roads and cruise through whatever I happen on. By far the best option one can get.

 

[NHinAK]

Word :driving:

 

[jca21]

i remember reading somewhere that KDSS was banned from off-road rally races because it gave the drivers too much advantage.

definetly love my TE with kdss

 

[1engineer]

What an improvement over other 5th gens on road alone. I got to take my new TE out to the woods today to play around with some of the TE goodies and I'm just really really impressed by KDSS. Without having to get out of the truck I can hop off paved roads and cruise through whatever I happen on. By far the best option one can get.

Why would you have to get out of your truck without KDSS? I don't get out of mine before I go off road. Just asking.

 

[Wakeborder556]

Why would you have to get out of your truck without KDSS? I don't get out of mine before I go off road. Just asking.

Sway bar disconnects

 

[1engineer]

Sway bar disconnects

Your sway bar does not disconnect.

 

[Wakeborder556]

Your sway bar does not disconnect.

No kidding. You asked why someone without kdss would have to get out of truck..


With KDSS there is no need to disconnect swaybar the point of it allows a lot more play. Someone with out kdss would need to disco the sway bar to allow similar amounts of flex.

 

[mikey's2010SR5]

I don't disconnect my sway bars and I get plenty of flex. Therefore I don't get out of my truck either unless its to take a photo.

 

[SOcalTRAIL]

I took my front sway bar off... I have KDSS.... now I have flex!

 

[Winstondvm]

Think the OP is referring to something like a jeep wrangler, where you can physically d/c the swaybars. KDSS is "virtual", my TJ was physical, then you could get the flex.

 

[03_4x4Runner]

No kidding. You asked why someone without kdss would have to get out of truck..


With KDSS there is no need to disconnect swaybar the point of it allows a lot more play. Someone with out kdss would need to disco the sway bar to allow similar amounts of flex.

99.5% of Trail owners are never going to go any place that this would make a difference. It seems most Trail owners like the kdss on the street because it is a thicker sway bar. I do not even know if manual sway bar disconnects are made for 5th gens.

 

[SOcalTRAIL]

99.5% of Trail owners are never going to go any place that this would make a difference. It seems most Trail owners like the kdss on the street because it is a thicker sway bar. I do not even know if manual sway bar disconnects are made for 5th gens.

You sir, are dead on.

 

[harper7]

No kidding. You asked why someone would out kdss would have to get out of truck..


With KDSS there is no need to disconnect swaybar the point of it allows a lot more play. Someone with out kdss would need to disco the sway bar to allow similar amounts of flex.

And your sure of this or just talking out your arse????. Maybe your thinking of straight axle front suspension like a Heep or did the dealer tell you that?

Alot more play?How much then?

They both have the same amount of flex ,just the TE achieves this with much larger sway bars that are hydraulically operated to get better ONROAD handling in it's stock form and still maintain articulation .

Add aftermarket UCA's with a bigger ball joint and you'll get at least another inch of down travel and the sway bars will still not be the limiting factor on the 5th Gen IFS. The stock SR5/Limited sway bar is skinny and has plenty of flex.The front CV axles can only be angled so much before they bind on a IFS and will be the ultimate deciding factor on articulation anyways.That's why people do a SAS on a 4Runner.

And yes ,I've actually replaced suspension on both KDSS and non KDSS and the upper ball joint on the UCA limits the down down travel and the bump stop on the frame is the limit for up travel. Tried it with and without a sway bar.

 

[Antman]

And your sure of this or just talking out your arse????. Maybe your thinking of straight axle front suspension like a Heep or did the dealer tell you that?

Alot more play?How much then?

They both have the same amount of flex ,just the TE achieves this with much larger sway bars that are hydraulically operated to get better ONROAD handling in it's stock form and still maintain articulation .

Add aftermarket UCA's with a bigger ball joint and you'll get at least another inch of down travel and the sway bars will still not be the limiting factor on the 5th Gen IFS. The stock SR5/Limited sway bar is skinny and has plenty of flex.The front CV axles can only be angled so much before they bind on a IFS and will be the ultimate deciding factor on articulation anyways.That's why people do a SAS on a 4Runner.

And yes ,I've actually replaced suspension on both KDSS and non KDSS and the upper ball joint on the UCA limits the down down travel and the bump stop on the frame is the limit for up travel. Tried it with and without a sway bar.

I think you are making all this stuff up. :lmao:

 

[SOcalTRAIL]

And your sure of this or just talking out your arse????. Maybe your thinking of straight axle front suspension like a Heep or did the dealer tell you that?

Alot more play?How much then?

They both have the same amount of flex ,just the TE achieves this with much larger sway bars that are hydraulically operated to get better ONROAD handling in it's stock form and still maintain articulation .

Add aftermarket UCA's with a bigger ball joint and you'll get at least another inch of down travel and the sway bars will still not be the limiting factor on the 5th Gen IFS. The stock SR5/Limited sway bar is skinny and has plenty of flex.The front CV axles can only be angled so much before they bind on a IFS and will be the ultimate deciding factor on articulation anyways.That's why people do a SAS on a 4Runner.

And yes ,I've actually replaced suspension on both KDSS and non KDSS and the upper ball joint on the UCA limits the down down travel and the bump stop on the frame is the limit for up travel. Tried it with and without a sway bar.

Outstanding explanation Harper. It seems that alot of people dont quite understand what KDSS does and doesnt do.

 

[1engineer]

Outstanding explanation Harper. It seems that alot of people dont quite understand what KDSS does and doesnt do.

+1 for Harper. I wasn't even going to reply when I told him his sway bar did not disconect, I assumed he realized the implications. Thats what I get for assuming. NO MORE!!! lol

 

[Jtraskell]

I have no axe to grind here, just trying to make sure I understand the whole of the conversation. As such, Harper, (or others) could you please define the jargon?

IFS? SAS? It kinda helps filling in the gaps.....

Thanks bud. Be safe.

 

[SOcalTRAIL]

I have no axe to grind here, just trying to make sure I understand the whole of the conversation. As such, Harper, (or others) could you please define the jargon?

IFS? SAS? It kinda helps filling in the gaps.....

Thanks bud. Be safe.

IFS= Independent Front Suspension, eg. A-Arm front suspension, what is on our 5th Gen runners

SAS= Solid Axle Suspension, eg. what is found on Jeep Wranglers.

 

[Wakeborder556]

And your sure of this or just talking out your arse????. Maybe your thinking of straight axle front suspension like a Heep or did the dealer tell you that?

Alot more play?How much then?

They both have the same amount of flex ,just the TE achieves this with much larger sway bars that are hydraulically operated to get better ONROAD handling in it's stock form and still maintain articulation .

Add aftermarket UCA's with a bigger ball joint and you'll get at least another inch of down travel and the sway bars will still not be the limiting factor on the 5th Gen IFS. The stock SR5/Limited sway bar is skinny and has plenty of flex.The front CV axles can only be angled so much before they bind on a IFS and will be the ultimate deciding factor on articulation anyways.That's why people do a SAS on a 4Runner.

And yes ,I've actually replaced suspension on both KDSS and non KDSS and the upper ball joint on the UCA limits the down down travel and the bump stop on the frame is the limit for up travel. Tried it with and without a sway bar.

Did you use a rti to see which one allows more flex or what?

I was just speaking from my experience with my old jeep where I would disconnect to prevent swaybar from hindering flex. Prob not as big of a deal now with rear locker as I don't have to keep as much rubber on the ground. I wasn't calming to be an expert but it makes sense that it would allow greater flex with the swaybar it has.

All the people without kdss have an axe to grind

edit: heres a cool article I found http://blogs.insideline.com/straigh...l-index-2011-lexus-gx-460-with-kdss.html#more Pretty neat, but I was excited about my new rig not trying to start an e-war

 

[Wepps]

99.5% of Trail owners are never going to go any place that this would make a difference. It seems most Trail owners like the kdss on the street because it is a thicker sway bar. I do not even know if manual sway bar disconnects are made for 5th gens.

Glad to be the .5%