I got the rack brand new through Northfork Sports. I know the guy does a lot of business on Ebay and ships out of Salt Lake. I paid $359 + $80 in shipping. I saved around $90 to $100 bucks buying on line instead of REI, for instance. NO TAX on line and he ships through Forward Air. I had it in two days. I've always owned Yakima products. I bought Q Towers over 10 years ago that faded and a few parts were rusting and Yakima replaced the parts no questions asked 6 years later. Yakima really stands behind it's products. I also own a Yakima hitch 4-bike carrier. I live in Webster Groves. I was beginning to believe I was the only cards fan on this forum.