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missing a diesel option
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I'll recite the ever favorite line of forums everywhere: Use the search. Particularly google. If you need help with search terms, feel free to PM me.
philsey
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That's not supporting your claim, that's copping out. You made the statement, I simply asked you to back it up. If you can't, say so, don't hand it back to me.
Nah. I'm not spoon feeding a passive agressive ignorant forum member when the information is .000002 seconds away. You seem to be one of those people who could see pizza, eat pizza, be told it's pizza, and argue it's not with your over riding case being made up of: "because". I've been known to waste my time before but I'm getting better at it. :bash:
Just google the tax discrepancy between gas and diesel. That should get you started... If you're truly interested in learning here...
westwind77
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Yeah but where would my super cool diesel stacks go? Maybe like this?
Or this
Decisions decisions!
Or this
Decisions decisions!
Your powers of deduction are astounding. You ask for evidence, I tell you where to start looking, you call me a conspiracy theorist. Good one. I knew you weren't interested in researching or learning anything. Your type rarely is.
I can't comment on the JGC directly but with domestic trucks it's simply a matter of economics. You will rarely recover the initial premium of a diesel to make it cost effective. If you need the power, you need the power, but for those looking to diesel for a more economical option in terms of fuel consumption, the math rarely works out, in the US.
JohnsD90
New member
Depends on the diesel, if its the 2.5 NA that slow bas**** is not getting anywhere near 30, the Diesel Turbo 2.5 i hear does a bit better, the 200 and 300tdi get high 20's from what i have heard so 30 is defientley capable, I've just not heard it happen consistently, although i do believe the TD5 is capable of 30mpg. But i have not heard what the 110 fuel economy is, just the 90's.
My buddies NAS 110 which is soon to be diesel (300tdi), does about 12mpg and tops out at about 75mph. But these trucks only come with a proper transmission so that helps fuel economy as well. (97 was a special edition sort of vehicle)
JohnsD90
New member
The 350 V8 diesel was 30 years ago people, stop *****ing about it.
The US market has been getting diesels pumped in by the germans for the past 10 years, and VW is leading that charge.
Whoever said the Light Pickup market doesn't want a diesel is ill-informed. A light pickup that does 25-28mpg combined would do amazing, and it would have some serious towing capabilities. The problem is that the price for diesels seems to be inflated so much that it isn't worth it to buy the diesel over the gas. That is what drives people from diesels. Light pickup buyers are contractors, and they want a long lasting, fuel saving truck, that will do anything, and pull anything, and a diesel is the perfect motor.
Luckily i do hear the Nissan is working with Cummins on a 4cyl diesel for the next gen titan, my fingers are crossed, and this is next part is just me dreaming but damn if they put an allison in that too, that would be an epic truck!
The US market has been getting diesels pumped in by the germans for the past 10 years, and VW is leading that charge.
Whoever said the Light Pickup market doesn't want a diesel is ill-informed. A light pickup that does 25-28mpg combined would do amazing, and it would have some serious towing capabilities. The problem is that the price for diesels seems to be inflated so much that it isn't worth it to buy the diesel over the gas. That is what drives people from diesels. Light pickup buyers are contractors, and they want a long lasting, fuel saving truck, that will do anything, and pull anything, and a diesel is the perfect motor.
Luckily i do hear the Nissan is working with Cummins on a 4cyl diesel for the next gen titan, my fingers are crossed, and this is next part is just me dreaming but damn if they put an allison in that too, that would be an epic truck!
1engineer
Moderator
Here is your statement:
Americans love diesels. .GOV and a whole bunch of 3 letter bureaucracies are the MF-ers standing in the way of making it cost effective for manufactures and consumers.
Depending on your beliefs and viewpoints:
Americans love natural gas. .GOV and a whole bunch of 3 letter bureaucracies are the MF-ers standing in the way of making it cost effective for manufactures and consumers.
Americans love coal. .GOV and a whole bunch of 3 letter bureaucracies are the MF-ers standing in the way of making it cost effective for manufactures and consumers.
Americans love meat. .GOV and a whole bunch of 3 letter bureaucracies are the MF-ers standing in the way of making it cost effective for manufactures and consumers.
Americans love cigarettes. .GOV and a whole bunch of 3 letter bureaucracies are the MF-ers standing in the way of making it cost effective for manufactures and consumers.
Americans love clean water. .GOV and a whole bunch of 3 letter bureaucracies are the MF-ers standing in the way of making it cost effective for manufactures and consumers.
Americans love freon. .GOV and a whole bunch of 3 letter bureaucracies are the MF-ers standing in the way of making it cost effective for manufactures and consumers.
Americans love guns. .GOV and a whole bunch of 3 letter bureaucracies are the MF-ers standing in the way of making it cost effective for manufactures and consumers.
My point is no matter what your view government regulations either make sense or they don't. Everyone is different.
Now, I know a little about diesel design and manufacture. I also know a little about free market.
"If there is enough demand, there will eventually be enough supply." Regardless of any regulations or cost of product this statement holds true for everything in a free market if the desire is strong enough.
Your argument on gas vs. diesel tax is valid. Higher taxes are paid for diesel. The highest user of diesel for motor vehicles are Class 5 and up vehicles. They are also the highest weight class. Can I damage the pavement on my street with my 4Runner? Maybe but it will take several years. Can a 70 ton truck damage the pavement on my street quicker? Probably. Should I have to pay as much to fix it as he does? Your choice. The government does accept donations.
JohnsD90
New member
I took my 90 up to 99mph, it wasn't bad at all, i just couldn't hear the radio past 80.
You can quell a desire/demand with enough regulation. It's a relative measurement and I think you're aware of that. It's my belief there would be sufficient demand from the consumer if regulations didn't create such a large financial burden by way of increased cost of fuel as well as increased cost to manufactures which are passed down to the end-user. I'm avoiding the "whether it makes sense or not" argument entirely as this wouldn't be the thread for it.
No one is challenging your knowledge on the subject but I think you're leaving out an important variable when it comes to weighing supply/demand. I know a little about the free market as well. We can discuss that later if you'd like. Always enjoy your posts. You're an intelligent dude. :beer:
phillyd2
Senior Member
My local drug dealer disagrees.
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I'm not sure which is more amusing. The fact your comparison is an attempt to be funny while filling the void of your knowledge on the actual subject or your comparison actually drawing a pretty close parallel to the exact point I'm making.
Bourbonator
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I'm not sure which is more amusing. The fact your comparison is an attempt to be funny while filling the void of your knowledge on the actual subject or your comparison actually drawing a pretty close parallel to the exact point I'm making.
I think they call that verisimillitude.
Also, it would seem to me that there are as many diesel options out there as there are diesel engines. You'd be spending extra money for the diesel anyway, so having a diesel only depends on your willingness to retrofit, and all that implies.
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