You make such statements and are so convinced of your position that you won't even listen to anything anybody else has to say.
Here is a list of the vehicles I either have previously or still do own; ALL of which have been topped up to the filler neck on nearly every fillup:
1988 Honda CRX Si
1990 Honda CRX Si
1991 Honda CRX Si (by the way, in all of these CRXs, the charcoal canister is in the ENGINE BAY, far away from the gas tank, at a height that is ABOVE the tank)
1993 Mazda Miata
1993 Acura Integra LS
1998 Acura Integra GS-R (OBD-II car; put over 53k miles on this car in 3 years, topping up at EVERY fillup with not a single problem)
1997 BMW M3 (OBD-II car, topped up on every fillup, no problems in 11k miles before I sold it)
1998 Chevrolet S10 Blazer (biggest POS on the road, topped up on every fillup, not a single problem related to how I filled this vehicle up)
1994 Acura Integra GS-R
2002 Honda S2000 (Two different S2k's.... the first one was my daily driver for 16k miles, the one I have now is a garage queen with <13k miles on it; they both are/were topped up at every fillup)
2003 4Runner V8 (I've put over 25k on this vehicle now; bringing it up to ~74k miles, topping up at every fillup with no problems).
Since we don't have any vapor recovery systems where I live, that part of your argument is moot.
As for the argument about fuel expanding... Let's think about this for a minute. When I fill up with gas, I typically drive at LEAST 2-5 miles immediately after filling up to get to where I'm going... Sometimes it's more, actually. If I drive 5 miles and am getting a conservative 20mpg, that's a quarter of a gallon (a quart) that has been burned. Don't you think that is plenty space for the fuel to expand? It takes less than 5 minutes to burn that quart of fuel and I can absolutely positively guarantee that the temperature of the liquid fuel inside the tank does not heat up quickly enough to cause an expansion problem when you are burning it and creating empty space in the tank at that rate, even if it's 100F ambient.
Being that I still get OVER 20mpg on the highway out of my V8 4Runner at 70-80mph, you also cannot make the argument that my vehicle runs 'poorly' because of what I do. It has the same power as the day I bought it, now with over 74k miles on the odometer.
As I said before, prove that it causes problems and I will stop debating with you... I have evidence that it has not caused any problems in any of the vehicles I have owned; as you can see that list has been quite extensive and I'm sure I've probably missed something in there. I added it up about a month ago and I've logged a combined 300+k miles on the vehicles I've owned. That's a lot of fillups.
Oh, and yes, I do overfill my tires above what Toyota recommends. I find that running closer to the TIRE'S maximum pressure provides better handling. I run 40psi cold all the way around; when the tires are at 37psi or lower, I find that they tend to squeel a lot more easily going around corners and do not grip as well due to the large/flexible sidewalls; so yes, I have also tested different tire pressures to find what works best for my driving style and found it to be different than what Toyota recommends to the soccer moms that want the cushy ride and won't take any turn faster than 2.7mph because of the soccer balls rolling around in the hatch.
And I refuse to call a mechanic to waste time on this issue... Half the shop techs don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. There are some exceptions, but speaking about the majority... Most of the 'new age' techs that walk out with an OBD-II scan tool, read a code, and replace parts don't know the first thing about troubleshooting real problems. Very few techs will truly try to take a stethoscope or other device to track down the EXACT source of a noise, vibration, etc. Most of them will not look for the source of oil burning and will just R&R a short block when the customer may only need to replace valve guides.
I've done MANY engine swaps on both my own cars and my friend's cars; I've replaced fuel pumps and fuel tanks, I've pulled heads due to broken timing belts, stuck/bent valves, and put the engines back together. I've been called over to a friend's house because he had a box full of bolts and a head he just got back from the machine shop and had no idea how to put his Integra engine back together that was in his CRX. Two nights of about 2 hours each night after work and his car started on the first turn of the key WITHOUT me looking at a shop manual. The only reason the job took 4 hours was because he was too lazy to clean/prep the block surface of the old headgasket material before I got there; that took at least an hour with his lack of supplies. I know a little bit about mechanical things and have probably worked on more cars than you've checked the oil on. I also race cars, so I OBVIOUSLY have to know how to fix my own crap. I may not be as fast as some of the master techs, but I will get the job done and I will get it done right.
If you have a second thought about my knowledge of vehicles or mechanical things, I dare you to put your wrench where your mouth is.
Ricky
RonMAIDEN said:
Man,I hate arguing car stuff with people that have minimal knowledge of how things work.
When you over fill you are forcing gas into the charcoal canister by pressure and off roading or regular driving can't slosh fuel into it (that's where I knew you didn't have a clue to how the system works) but with normal expansion due to outside temps can force the charcoal canister to become saturated and fail and even reduce your MPGs so you'll just be filling up sooner anyway not realizing that the system isn't working properly.
You get better fuel economy by overfilling your tires but you wouldn't do that or would you?
It's kinda sad that some people ignore facts (and there's plenty) and will take a chance of harming their expensive vehicles but then again I already stated ignorance is bliss..........along with denial.
Ricky,I can see why you might have a bridge for sale since you already were the sucker that bought it first.
