Need help with winter/snow tires

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I have an 08 sport 4WD with relatively new Michelin LTX M/S2. Is there a clearly better choice for Colorado driving in winter? I'm not excited about buying a new wheelset/tires because of the storage in the summer, but if a dedicated snow tire is really the choice, then I'd consider it.
Don't do a lot of off-road, but some. The BFG TA KO's have been mentioned here and may be a good choice with some off-roading.
Anyway, would like to hear your thoughts.
Thanks....
 
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Thanks for hanging out with the 3rd Gens. I have a 98 2WD, not equipped with ABS. We had way too much snow in KC last winter, and it was miserable. I run Hankook Optimo H72 on all my cars.

This year I scored a set of 5 stars on CL for $200 and bought General Altimax Arctic from TireRack. This is the first time I have ever purchased snow tires for any vehicle.

After two small storms, I am never going back. I will always have a set of winter tires, mounted and ready to go, for at least one vehicle. People who say there is no reason to have snow tires... have never driven on snow tires.

I watched two four wheel drive trucks try and fail miserably to climb a hill near my house, making it 1/3 of the way up. The 2WD 4Runner went right up it. Yes it slips some, but these tires claw at the snow the way the other tires never did. The traction works when braking too.

If you have kids that are going to drive your Runner, or you have a long driveway, or just want to go where you want to go, even when the weather is bad, these things are great. Total investment, not counting the 5 stars: under $500. If I leave them on November to March, I should get two or three years out of them.

As always, your mileage may vary. Have fun in the snow!
 
Thanks for hanging out with the 3rd Gens. Ahhh thanks!

The 2WD 4Runner went right up it. Yes it slips some, but these tires claw at the snow the way the other tires never did. The traction works when braking too.

If you have kids that are going to drive your Runner, or you have a long driveway, or just want to go where you want to go, even when the weather is bad, these things are great. Total investment, not counting the 5 stars: under $500. If I leave them on November to March, I should get two or three years out of them.

As always, your mileage may vary. Have fun in the snow!

I'll definitely take your experience under advisement.
 
kumho kl61

I chose these. I'll be writing another post on these now that I've had some snow driving on these. Short story... For what use them for....amazing... Plus the mountain/snowflake symbol
 
DONT get the Yokohama Geolander I/Ts. I would have faired better with a nice AT like BFG KO or Duratracs. I had Blizzaks before and those were amazing but since I went with a bigger tire I needed another option and went with the Geolander ITs. While better in snow than the BFG KM2 I have, they are a huge letdown
 
couple options....
Since you are out west go to the nearest les schab and price out a set of wild country XTX sports. One of only a handful of AT tires that has gotten rated as a snowtire as well, not an MS tire but a full blown winter tire snowflake symbol and all.

I ran a set the same set of generals mentioned above on my subaru as a snow tire and they far outpreform their price range and wear well. I got them for about a hundred bucks a tire and that seems to be about the going rate.

I run the xtx's on my runner up here in idaho year round and they preform flawless in the snow. Keep in mind a snow tire ( and the xtx) will have a softer rubber compound and not last as long, but then again that softer rubber is one of the things that makes it work so well in the snow and on cold pavement.

for a great alll around tire you can run year round and not get robbed on, I highly suggest the Hankook Danapro ATM. it is the best strictly AT tire I have driven in the snow, sure the duratrac works better in deep fluffy powder but on glazed up streets, making it over the passes in 5 inches of crud and every day driving, it cant be beat. I run a set of the ten plys on my tacoma and they have 35 thousand miles on them. only about 1/3 wear on them and still work great in the snow. I would get another set of these before I went with any of the following.
BFG AT or really almost any other one they make
Cooper at3, stt,
duratrac
toyo open country
general grabber

all of them I have used extensivly in the snow on work trucks.

good luck
 
Thank y'all for these ideas. cdthiker, I appreciate the alternatives you presented. Looks like a dedicated set would be ideal, just hate the idea of storing and/or re-installing.
 
are you displeased with the way your michelins work in the snow? I'm happy with and impressed by their snow traction.
 
I'm running duratrac's this winter after doing research into them and some friends reccomendations. They're very predictable in the snow albeit not crazy amazing grip though mine arent studed (If I can find a place that will stud used tires I will get it done in a heartbeat).

Predictability for me is just as important as traction, however they are absolutely garbage on ice. And this isn't just me being 2wd either, I'm talking braking and going around corners off/on-ramps etc. This might be a lot better if they were studded, but thats not going to magically change the compound/siping.

The snowflake/mountain rating doesn't mean a whole lot, I don't know if it has changed lately but all a tire use to have to do to get the rating is score a rating of 110 or better than a placeholder all season tires score of 100. IE it has to be 10% or greater traction in snow than an all season tire. 10% better than a standard all season tire isnt a whole hell of a lot.

Case and point, A/T's may be fine in the snow; but if you're dealing with ice and other serious winter conditions don't kid yourself in thinking they will substitute for proper winter tires.
 
are you displeased with the way your michelins work in the snow? I'm happy with and impressed by their snow traction.

Personally for me no, I'm not displeased at all on my 2010. They have been the best all around tire I have owned. However I have put my college age son in the 08 and he has "experienced" some slipping and being a more inexperienced driver, I am thinking about an alternative tire.
 
I have an 08 sport 4WD with relatively new Michelin LTX M/S2. Is there a clearly better choice for Colorado driving in winter? I'm not excited about buying a new wheelset/tires because of the storage in the summer, but if a dedicated snow tire is really the choice, then I'd consider it.
Don't do a lot of off-road, but some. The BFG TA KO's have been mentioned here and may be a good choice with some off-roading.
Anyway, would like to hear your thoughts.
Thanks....

I run Michelin LTX year round in Colorado. You will have no issues. They are very, very good in the snow and ice.
 
Thanks for hanging out with the 3rd Gens. I have a 98 2WD, not equipped with ABS. We had way too much snow in KC last winter, and it was miserable. I run Hankook Optimo H72 on all my cars.

This year I scored a set of 5 stars on CL for $200 and bought General Altimax Arctic from TireRack. This is the first time I have ever purchased snow tires for any vehicle.

After two small storms, I am never going back. I will always have a set of winter tires, mounted and ready to go, for at least one vehicle. People who say there is no reason to have snow tires... have never driven on snow tires.

I watched two four wheel drive trucks try and fail miserably to climb a hill near my house, making it 1/3 of the way up. The 2WD 4Runner went right up it. Yes it slips some, but these tires claw at the snow the way the other tires never did. The traction works when braking too.

If you have kids that are going to drive your Runner, or you have a long driveway, or just want to go where you want to go, even when the weather is bad, these things are great. Total investment, not counting the 5 stars: under $500. If I leave them on November to March, I should get two or three years out of them.

As always, your mileage may vary. Have fun in the snow!

I now have 2500 miles on these tires, including one round trip to Grand Lake, CO (1400 miles on I-70). The General Altimax Arctic are well mannered on the dry highway (95% of use so far). I can't see much wear on the tread, and the tread started much deeper than any other new tire I have purchased. They look pretty much like day 1.

In snow the difference is night and day, or stuck and going where I need to go. Kansas City got 14.5" of snow over the last 24 hours, and I got to work with no drama. I stopped at the base of our hill last night to get mail, and it there was lots of wheel spin in 6" of snow. But once I got going, I was able to accelerate going up hill. This never would have happened with all seasons.

When I exited I-70 last night I got too far to the right, into the unplowed area. I don't know how deep it was, but snow was flying everywhere at 45 MPH. I eased back to the left, and stayed out of the ditch. Much safer and more forgiving.

Ice is still ice, and 4WD would help me get going if at least one tire was on solid ground. But I haven't had to do more than rock it so far, and I do think they grip better at low temps.

So if you are like me and a 4WD Runner is not in your budget, consider some winter tires for your 2WD. I think it would cost about $4000 to upgrade to a 4WD, and I have invested about 85% less than that invested in these tires. Less, if you count that I have to run some kind of tire all winter, so I am saving wear on my all seasons.

If you like to go off road, you probably still need 4WD. But for snowy winter roads, I am getting by pretty well with 2WD.
 
Don't be fooled by the aggressive tread of a MT, they don't perform great on snowy roads. Most ATs will out perform a MT on the road.

If you want an aggressive tire that will work great year round and great in the snow, the Goodyear Duratrac can't be beat.

The siping (the little cuts in the tread) are what make a tire work well on snowy roads. These sipes hold the snow and tha snow sticks to the snow on the roads giving you traction.
 
Thanks for hanging out with the 3rd Gens. I have a 98 2WD, not equipped with ABS. We had way too much snow in KC last winter, and it was miserable. I run Hankook Optimo H72 on all my cars.

This year I scored a set of 5 stars on CL for $200 and bought General Altimax Arctic from TireRack. This is the first time I have ever purchased snow tires for any vehicle.

After two small storms, I am never going back. I will always have a set of winter tires, mounted and ready to go, for at least one vehicle. People who say there is no reason to have snow tires... have never driven on snow tires.

I watched two four wheel drive trucks try and fail miserably to climb a hill near my house, making it 1/3 of the way up. The 2WD 4Runner went right up it. Yes it slips some, but these tires claw at the snow the way the other tires never did. The traction works when braking too.

If you have kids that are going to drive your Runner, or you have a long driveway, or just want to go where you want to go, even when the weather is bad, these things are great. Total investment, not counting the 5 stars: under $500. If I leave them on November to March, I should get two or three years out of them.

As always, your mileage may vary. Have fun in the snow!

What size did you get those in? I looked at TireRack and it doesn't seem to come in 265/70/R16 (stock wheel) size or 225/75R15 which is the stock 15" size.
 
Everyone has their personal preference. Mine has been BFG A/T's for a great year-round traction. Not too loud on the hwy or too terrible on mileage, fantastic grip in snow/slick conditions, a decent for wheeling in anything but deep mud. Good load rating. And for rigs as light as ours (3rd gen, not sure about newer v8's) they wear pretty well too.

While I don't currently have them, my rig came with Michelin Latitude X-Ice mounted, they will be my next tire set.

That being said, if you are going to have a separate mounted set just for winter I'd go Hankook I-Pikes, throw studs in them if it's legal where you are and you'd be practically invincible.

The concerning part for me is I'm usually much more worried about the other drivers on the road than I am my own traction...
 
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What size did you get those in? I looked at TireRack and it doesn't seem to come in 265/70/R16 (stock wheel) size or 225/75R15 which is the stock 15" size.

245/75R16 is available. Same diameter as stock, just a little skinnier which is preferable in the winter anyway.
 

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