hikenbike
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Am I a they?
New Yorkers... Give up your guns.
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Am I a they?
hikenbike
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If I'm unfortunate enough to be in that damn store of yours then I now have two or more things to worry about - the robber and anyone else in there carrying who is surprised, anxious, and may not know what the hell they're doing.
RunninInGA
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I didn't lump you in the group in my mind, but only you can make this determination.
Are you?
In your world, what happens to criminals and how do you deter acts of violence?
hikenbike
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1. In some ways yes. Most no.
2. I don't. I live a good, clean life, treat people as I would like to be treated, and hope for the best. If I ever truly encounter one and still walk this Earth then maybe I'll think differently.
All the best to you and yours. Merry Christmas!
BrianSD_42
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well thats not that far out there. in fact its straight in the mainstream with a super-majority of American's supporting government backed background checks for firearm purchases.
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Merry Christmas / Happy holidays to you as well!
WFO_Racer
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Google Feinstein's video's from the 90's where it claims her outright goal is eliminating all guns.
That is the reason , I build my AR weapons in 80/20 format. I am the manf, no paper trail required , no big brother asking what I own.
They can take their background checks and shove them up their own ass.
nevada
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so tell me, what are your plans to get the guns out of the criminals hands?
what I seen from you above will get them from law abiding citizens, now how about the criminals?
hikenbike
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I'm not in law enforcement. Ask someone who is influential in that area.
Where to you see that?
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RunninInGA
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Beginning 1/15/14, retailers in NY will be required to run background checks on ammo purchases, furthering what I'm referring to as the test case for large scale oppression of law abiding citizens by the government.
Still No Clear Timetable For Ammo Background Checks in NY
Still No Clear Timetable For Ammo Background Checks in NY
hikenbike
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Georgia falls under NY law?
So we should only be concerned about a law that governs only where we live?
nevada
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you had plenty to say about what to do with those that are ALREADY following the law, yet when it comes to criminals, you defer to law enforcement.
hikenbike
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I gave my opinion on conceal carry.
My opinion on criminals is I think they should be caught and crucified.
Is that what you're looking for?
WFO_Racer
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And I thought we in the home of Nazi Pelosi & Fuhrer Feinstein had it bad. Good thing I and my kids reload and know how to cast our own bullets if we have to. Of course being global I buy internationally as well. Other countries do not care about our laws.
I now see why Mark Serbu gave NY the middle finger and will not sell to to that state.
ndcent
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I believe that LINY was alluding to this sentiment earlier in the thread.
nevada
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no, I want to know your plans to unarm the criminals.
you had ideas on how to prevent law abiding citizens from carrying.
you stated someone carrying concealed bothers you, and want them to jump through ****ing hoops to be able to do it.
do you understand that criminals ALSO conceal carry, and they don't give a shit about your hoops. that's what makes them criminals.
so, I want you to tell me, what is YOUR idea to get the guns from the criminals?
until that happens, I will KEEP mine.
ndcent
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Because certain gun control measures that have passed have been proven not to reduce gun violence does that mean that absolutely no other gun control measures should be considered?
Seems a flimsy argument, but I'd be interested in an answer (not in slogan form preferably.)
I guess if we haven't found a cure for cancer yet, we should just stop trying?
Seems a flimsy argument, but I'd be interested in an answer (not in slogan form preferably.)
I guess if we haven't found a cure for cancer yet, we should just stop trying?
hikenbike
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Carry conceal wouldn't bother me at all if the carrier was comprehensively and regularly proven to be qualified to do so. I'm not for someone being able to carry anywhere at anytime WITHOUT being qualified. If its too many hoops to jump through then the interested party must not care enough. Do you think I'm somehow in favor of someone taking your gun? If so, how did you arrive at that?
Don't ask me about how to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. I'm not qualified to answer. Can't help you. And its not related to item #1.
After seeing what recently happened at the Short Hills mall (a very high end exclusive mall) only a few minutes from me, I'd consider carrying and would gladly follow and comply with ANY requirements with pleasure.
First off...
Sig'd! There's no atheist in the fox hole. When someone has intent to kill you and you don't have any means of defense, God is ALL you have.
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Second, the main ides of having guns is for our safety, right? Yes, we want guns for hunting and sport use as well. But for this topic anyways we're concerned about keeping our guns and having less restriction because we feel that having our guns makes us safer and able help stop someone else from being hurt due to criminals.
For me this is very simple. Set aside statistics and emotions because they don't really mean a whole lot to me because as stated before, numbers can be used to work for either side. Let's think about this logically. What do laws do? They keep the sane and peaceful people in compliance to make life easier and safer for the masses. What is it that gun owners/carriers want? Protection from the criminals who can care less about the laws. We know that more gun laws don't stop criminals. So why make it harder for those of us who want to do the right thing and stay safe? It just doesn't make any sense in my mind because those who are willing to rob, rape, kill, etc aren't going to stop all of that just because of a new law that says his 16 round magazine or his 3" barrel on his pistol is illegal. Now if that same criminal knew that there was a 99% chance that his next victim was going to be armed, do you think that he would still commit that crime? Possibly. I will bet that most criminals won't take that chance. The possible victim doesn't need to be rambo with a 9mm, they just need to have a basic ability to defend themselves.
Here's another way to look at it. Take the Mississippi river and use that as a border for a gun free zone. To the east is all gun free zones and to the west are all those who carry to protect themselves. Where will the criminals go to take advantage of people? Of course they will find the easy prey and go to the east.
To me this is extremely simple. Give the advantage to those who wish to do harm to others and they WILL win.
Sig'd! There's no atheist in the fox hole. When someone has intent to kill you and you don't have any means of defense, God is ALL you have.
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Second, the main ides of having guns is for our safety, right? Yes, we want guns for hunting and sport use as well. But for this topic anyways we're concerned about keeping our guns and having less restriction because we feel that having our guns makes us safer and able help stop someone else from being hurt due to criminals.
For me this is very simple. Set aside statistics and emotions because they don't really mean a whole lot to me because as stated before, numbers can be used to work for either side. Let's think about this logically. What do laws do? They keep the sane and peaceful people in compliance to make life easier and safer for the masses. What is it that gun owners/carriers want? Protection from the criminals who can care less about the laws. We know that more gun laws don't stop criminals. So why make it harder for those of us who want to do the right thing and stay safe? It just doesn't make any sense in my mind because those who are willing to rob, rape, kill, etc aren't going to stop all of that just because of a new law that says his 16 round magazine or his 3" barrel on his pistol is illegal. Now if that same criminal knew that there was a 99% chance that his next victim was going to be armed, do you think that he would still commit that crime? Possibly. I will bet that most criminals won't take that chance. The possible victim doesn't need to be rambo with a 9mm, they just need to have a basic ability to defend themselves.
Here's another way to look at it. Take the Mississippi river and use that as a border for a gun free zone. To the east is all gun free zones and to the west are all those who carry to protect themselves. Where will the criminals go to take advantage of people? Of course they will find the easy prey and go to the east.
To me this is extremely simple. Give the advantage to those who wish to do harm to others and they WILL win.
LINY4Runner
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I agree with the idea, but the execution of this policy would be impossible without granting the government more power than it already has AND giving them the tools they need to, quite literally, take it all away. This cannot work without strict registration, testing and regulation...then all they need is a reason, manufactured or not, and they'll round 'em up.
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