philsey
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Sure looks to me like his LF wheel fell into a hole at the wrong time.
Not sure how this happened but, ouch 2017 flop
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Sure looks to me like his LF wheel fell into a hole at the wrong time.
That's terrible hopefully everyone was ok.
I'm perpetually frightened of ending up like this on some of the trails I go on. There was one this past weekend that had a very strange transition from one line to the next and a very mismatched terrain on the entire left side. I think I did a 47-point turn in that section because I was afraid of rolling over.
I'm perpetually frightened of ending up like this on some of the trails I go on. There was one this past weekend that had a very strange transition from one line to the next and a very mismatched terrain on the entire left side. I think I did a 47-point turn in that section because I was afraid of rolling over.
wfo9
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I don't want to roast this guy... because mistakes can happen to anyone. Especially when they are new to this and conditions are always changing. We need to hear the story of what happened before jumping to too many concussions, but it sure looks like it was just lack of a spotter and experience.
As most people who have wheeled these trucks much in technical terrain know.. You can't see shit out of them. You have to get out and walk it... or trust your spotter, or follow the exact line of your lead who knows the trail.
I just hope people realize how important experience is. I can't tell you how many dumb mistakes I have made and how much of a continuous learning process off-roading in high risk conditions is..If you think you are a master... well... think again... Mother nature will slap you around real quick.
I'm just really concerned that people are getting in over their head with this over-landing trend... I've ran into several people lately out on trails that are absolutely out of their element...All ended well.. but they could have been in a world of hurt without a little guidance.
As most people who have wheeled these trucks much in technical terrain know.. You can't see shit out of them. You have to get out and walk it... or trust your spotter, or follow the exact line of your lead who knows the trail.
I just hope people realize how important experience is. I can't tell you how many dumb mistakes I have made and how much of a continuous learning process off-roading in high risk conditions is..If you think you are a master... well... think again... Mother nature will slap you around real quick.
I'm just really concerned that people are getting in over their head with this over-landing trend... I've ran into several people lately out on trails that are absolutely out of their element...All ended well.. but they could have been in a world of hurt without a little guidance.
cmilviper
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I agree with this.....I almost hit the same spot yesterday, and got a little tippy myself with a ledge on the far left. Ended up backing up, and went to the right just a tad, and made it with no problem.
My wife freaked out at this spot much worse than any other part of the trail, as "the Steps" and the switchbacks were no problem!
wfo9
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Yep, that sounds about right. A spotter could have probably avoided that and that spare on the roof was probably enough to take it over. Stabbing the brake is a common mistake.. but It's really hard not to when you have no idea what to expect. I usually have to coach myself to stay off the brakes while dropping into something (it's just instinct when something unexpected happens).
I've got a hilarious picture of my rock crawler doing a front wheel stand (on relatively flat ground) when I had all the locking hub studs shear on the passenger front (that I did not know about) and one wheel engine braking kicked in while dropping into some rocks. The gearing is crazy low... That was nuts... and I was totally confused what was going on... So I tapped the brakes and made matters worse. We all screw up from time to time... I hardly ever use my brakes in my crawler because its almost always bad. but the 5th gen reduction gear ratio makes that impossible and you just have to be really smooth and gradual. I wish there was a way to adjust the bias also... I now crank my rears up on that little thing...
I'm guessing, he has plans for a rear bumper, so wanted fancy wheel with matching spare and did not want to mount it under for now.
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LawnDart
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Now he gets a fancy insurance claim.
Look, let's call a spade a spade here. This was shitty driving. Full stop.
We all make mistakes. We either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. But the reality is when our time comes we need to be made an example of when we do something stupid. That trail will get closed down if every ass hat with some stickers and marker light mod thinks they can overpower a lack of experience with vehicle mods. I've seen people do black bear in Subarus and bone stock vehicles. This shouldn't have happened. It continues to happen. And if it doesn't stop we will lose access to great trails.
Sorry if this ruffles feathers but this community has to stop treating these trails like it's all inclusive. If you can't handle your shit do not get on the trail.
The descent into the stair steps has some tippy parts. You don't need hill descent or any other wacky features of your truck. It's call the brakes and feeling how your truck responds.
Nervousness doesn't go away with experience. What happens is you know how to respond and not let nervousness dictate your actions.
Look, let's call a spade a spade here. This was shitty driving. Full stop.
We all make mistakes. We either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. But the reality is when our time comes we need to be made an example of when we do something stupid. That trail will get closed down if every ass hat with some stickers and marker light mod thinks they can overpower a lack of experience with vehicle mods. I've seen people do black bear in Subarus and bone stock vehicles. This shouldn't have happened. It continues to happen. And if it doesn't stop we will lose access to great trails.
Sorry if this ruffles feathers but this community has to stop treating these trails like it's all inclusive. If you can't handle your shit do not get on the trail.
The descent into the stair steps has some tippy parts. You don't need hill descent or any other wacky features of your truck. It's call the brakes and feeling how your truck responds.
Nervousness doesn't go away with experience. What happens is you know how to respond and not let nervousness dictate your actions.
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jrandom
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There is a lot of truth to that statement, for sure.
I have gone down some really steep stuff in some big equipment, that free fall rush really never goes away.
Jeremy556
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It will always happen. I ran into some Ouray cops today investigating a 4wheeler that appeared to have rolled from near the top of Engineer down on to Mineral Creek. Hopefully the person riding didn't go with it and caught a ride down the mountain.
There are never any new trails, they only get closed.
jrandom
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Truth to that too, sadly. :sadwave:
Not much of the "wild west" left, it is really surprising to see that in my lifetime so far, things went from out -of-hand (ie Widowmaker, yes I use to see these) to enviro lock-down.
wfo9
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I sort of agree and sort of don't.. This community really has no enforcement power... The only thing we can do here and when were out and about.. is to educate and try to show people the right way. Talking down to them will never work. It should be more of a help each other out thing.
Now...I watched a guy last year in a side by side come 2 inches from killing his child as he attempted to pass me coming down corkscrew gultch on a dark rainy night. He did not like my speed and did not like the fact that I was not willing to pull over to the cliff edge to let him fly by me at 40+ mph. When he tried to pass.. he went up on two wheels and thank god he did not go over the edge. A verbal fight ensued between me and his buddy that was following and the coward never even turned around. And they could not see anything wrong with wanting to pass in those conditions. They only thought I was being an a selfish ******* for not immediately pulling over. Did I mention that they had light bars blinding me as well. You can't and won't help people like that. They will keep doing stupid stuff and falling down cliffs until all the trails are shutdown. The only solution for them is law enforcement.
But the guy in this situation.. I'm pretty sure he is 100% open to education and a little coaching. I've led many newbie groups and even taught a few classes of sorts...it really benefits everyone. So I think that should be the tact here within this group and I'm pretty sure he is a member....
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PK930
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****y stuff happens off road when one jumps on the go, or in this case stop, pedal hard. I agree with your summation.
I remember almost putting my Frontier on its side, or roof, once in a situation like that. Dropped a tire over a ledge I wasn't really expecting and jumped on the brakes. Teetered reeaaal close to flopping.
themuffinman619
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If Harvey Dent says it shouldn't have happpened, then gosh darned it, it shouldn't have happened.
Ray Dunakin
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It's possible for even a highly experienced driver to make a stupid mistake. No one is perfect.
jrob
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Poor line choice
Poor guy (or gal)
Poor runner.
Glad they are reportedly ok.
I can't believe that dipped hood didn't keep it from going over.
I wonder if he had weathertech floor mats? If so they should still be in place due to the floor clips, so at least there would be that.
Bro! Sick license plate!
Hopefully his dad is a television repairman with the ultimate set of tools.
If homie is on here, please do not take offense, I assure you it is good natured.
I almost broke my leg while I was up there riding moto recently, due to an unfortunate encounter with a side by side. Ruined my trip second day out. Shit indeed can happen to anyone.
Best of luck.
Poor guy (or gal)
Poor runner.
Glad they are reportedly ok.
I can't believe that dipped hood didn't keep it from going over.
I wonder if he had weathertech floor mats? If so they should still be in place due to the floor clips, so at least there would be that.
Bro! Sick license plate!
Hopefully his dad is a television repairman with the ultimate set of tools.
If homie is on here, please do not take offense, I assure you it is good natured.
I almost broke my leg while I was up there riding moto recently, due to an unfortunate encounter with a side by side. Ruined my trip second day out. Shit indeed can happen to anyone.
Best of luck.
Engineer
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[MENTION=124732]LawnDart[/MENTION]
I don't want to get this thread locked, and I don't disagree that there is likely no reason for what happened other then poor driving and lack of experience but what good is all the knowledge in the world if the attitude in which its delivered is so poor the recipients don't care and learn nothing? Some very good engineers do this and while they are world experts they could provide so much more value to the org if they would get off the pedestal they sit on.I respect your knowledge base and the HUGE contribute you have been to this community but lets see if we can get the full story and provide help for the owner (they likely already know what they did wrong) and others who read this thread - We do have some very good assumptions already that are likely correct but it would be nice if the owner confirmed
**No I don't believe in participation trophies nor that any one can do anything and we should all just be friends**
Personally I think that very talented, very experiences drivers who tend to tear through the trails at blazing speeds are more likely to get them closed then novice accidents - Both can have deadly results and both can make headlines but its the "Hold this.....and doing 50mph fatality" that get me worked up - But I don't control access to the trails so maybe both are equally bad
Its important for the communities who use the trails share as much as they can with those who don't or are new in hopes they either join in the fun or at least understand that it can be done responsibly.
This does highlight it doesn't take a 50k+ rig with a snorkel, lights, lift, hi lift etc to enjoy your self out there. I have seen a lot of stock vehicle having just as much fun as those in buggies ( of course there is a limit there) and no amount of mods makes up for the driver. Same thing with safety features these days - the best safety feature is siting behind the wheel.......for now
All in all it appears no fatality or major injuries (that I have seen) - Very thankful for that stuff can always be replaced
I don't want to get this thread locked, and I don't disagree that there is likely no reason for what happened other then poor driving and lack of experience but what good is all the knowledge in the world if the attitude in which its delivered is so poor the recipients don't care and learn nothing? Some very good engineers do this and while they are world experts they could provide so much more value to the org if they would get off the pedestal they sit on.I respect your knowledge base and the HUGE contribute you have been to this community but lets see if we can get the full story and provide help for the owner (they likely already know what they did wrong) and others who read this thread - We do have some very good assumptions already that are likely correct but it would be nice if the owner confirmed
**No I don't believe in participation trophies nor that any one can do anything and we should all just be friends**
Personally I think that very talented, very experiences drivers who tend to tear through the trails at blazing speeds are more likely to get them closed then novice accidents - Both can have deadly results and both can make headlines but its the "Hold this.....and doing 50mph fatality" that get me worked up - But I don't control access to the trails so maybe both are equally bad
Its important for the communities who use the trails share as much as they can with those who don't or are new in hopes they either join in the fun or at least understand that it can be done responsibly.This does highlight it doesn't take a 50k+ rig with a snorkel, lights, lift, hi lift etc to enjoy your self out there. I have seen a lot of stock vehicle having just as much fun as those in buggies ( of course there is a limit there) and no amount of mods makes up for the driver. Same thing with safety features these days - the best safety feature is siting behind the wheel.......for now
All in all it appears no fatality or major injuries (that I have seen) - Very thankful for that stuff can always be replaced
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