Not sure how this happened but, ouch 2017 flop

Seeing this has me thinking about how an auto policy would handle this claim, and if there is an easy out for them to deny it. I suppose I should read the fine print on mine to see if it addresses a situation like this, I recall some of my motorcycle policies in the past having clauses about coverage if an accident occurs at a track. Any chance your insurance could leave you out in the cold on a deal like this?

they would need to list it as an exclusion, just get your policy documents and read them.

my geico policy does not have any such exclusions, but maybe it's excluded in other states. my breakdown and towing policy has a provision that the vehicle has to be within a reasonable distance to the road (or some kind of similar language), but other coverage still applies offroad.

someone else mentioned track driving, but that's not the same it is usually excluded by language that calls it something like "organized racing, speed, or exhibition." (and i can't find it excluded in my current policy but know i've had it excluded in past policies)
 
Six pages and the owner still hasn't popped up. Hell, its 87 ways on Facebook, 4 or so pages on Arfcom GD, and who knows where else. Yet in every thread I've seen nothing but speculation and asshattery. I wouldn't pop up either -- no use explainiing myself to those who have never done wrong their life...

Yep, so much ignorance in most of the comments on FB. Here... I think most people are being pretty level headed about it.

I think what you see here is a bit of frustration with where things are headed in terms of public 4x4 trails in Colorado and elsewhere... Like many have stated. Off-roading on trails like BB pass used to be a thing where only very experienced enthusiast or groups with a responsible leader went. Now, it's a couple of people with an iphone and an Instagram account and that new TRDPro or Rubicon... ready to get some cool shots. Maybe it's just social media... but this year seems to have been different with a bunch of bad accidents posted.

To further that rant...
I remember reading an article a few years ago about the change in "distress" calls in national parks since the advent of the smartphone and hand held EPRIB . They used to receive maybe 10 calls a season and it was always a real emergency... now it is 100x that #. The reason was 100% attributed to smartphones and other devices. There was once a time where people did not have phones or any other device to call.. They felt that they actually had to be prepared and know what the heck they were doing to start with. Now... they get calls from people who hike up the side of a mountain in flip flops with nothing but an iphone and a plan to get a few cool pictures. No water, no food, no warm clothes.... They call stating they are cold, hungry, and lost in the dark... Same with the satellite beacons. Dumb asses hitting distress when they simply did not provision enough food for their planned say. Like calling room service or something. That shit outrages me personally.

Technology really can bring out the worst in people. It's clearly a double edged sword.

I very much like the idea of getting new blood into an activity... its what keeps things going and all the burnt out people moving on...Communities of enthsiast need newcomers and should welcome them.. but at the same time.. these newcomers need to realize they need help and its not just the internet that can do it. You have to get out and interact with real people and create some actual real life friendships and experiences with other more experienced enthusiast. Clubs are a great way, but those seem to be getting weaker these days also. IDK what the answer is for sure... but it does seem like things are getting much worse in terms of competency. Maybe I'm just that old crusty guy now...

Anyway, I think that is the frustration you see here. Not really against this guy. The stuff on FB... is just pure ignorance and asshattery.

And I also agree anyone can make a mistake like this. If you have not had an "oh shit that could have been a disaster" moment.. Well, you probably have not been on anything remotely difficult yet. And that is OK too.. but don't act like anyone who does is a complete idiot.

Hopefully people can learn from this scenario either way.
 
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Interesting thread...From your guys' experience... how and who hauls these trucks out of BB and the like?
 
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Interesting thread...From your guys' experience... how and who hauls these trucks out of BB and the like?

Good question. From that point you could probably just get someone to pull you out the opposite direction over the pass. I would not attempt the switchbacks without power.

If you were down below the steps... not sure as it would be a royal PITA.

I lost a tunnion steering arm bearing cap the other day out in my solid axle truck. It was interesting because my wheel was about to fall off. I drove it out in 2wd.. but the trail was pretty flat although technical. Had it been on something like blackbear (where further failure would mean going over the edge and sure death)... I would have been totally screwed. The only 100% safe way out would have been a very involved trail repair and parts that are a few days out at best. Can't imagine a trailer or flatbed of any type doing those switchbacks.

At least this truck could still roll and had steering.

If they just would have followed proper protocol... he would have been able to drive it out. I'm curious to hear if they tried to pull the plugs or not before starting it. If not.. everyone there is part of the problem.. because someone should have stopped him from destroying the motor.
 
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Yep, so much ignorance in most of the comments on FB. Here... I think most people are being pretty level headed about it.

I think what you see here is a bit of frustration with where things are headed in terms of public 4x4 trails in Colorado and elsewhere... Like many have stated. Off-roading on trails like BB pass used to be a thing where only very experienced enthusiast or groups with a responsible leader went. Now, it's a couple of people with an iphone and an Instagram account and that new TRDPro or Rubicon... ready to get some cool shots. Maybe it's just social media... but this year seems to have been different with a bunch of bad accidents posted.

To further that rant...
I remember reading an article a few years ago about the change in "distress" calls in national parks since the advent of the smartphone and hand held EPRIB . They used to receive maybe 10 calls a season and it was always a real emergency... now it is 100x that #. The reason was 100% attributed to smartphones and other devices. There was once a time where people did not have phones or any other device to call.. They felt that they actually had to be prepared and know what the heck they were doing to start with. Now... they get calls from people who hike up the side of a mountain in flip flops with nothing but an iphone and a plan to get a few cool pictures. No water, no food, no warm clothes.... They call stating they are cold, hungry, and lost in the dark... Same with the satellite beacons. Dumb asses hitting distress when they simply did not provision enough food for their planned say. Like calling room service or something. That shit outrages me personally.

Technology really can bring out the worst in people. It's clearly a double edged sword.

I very much like the idea of getting new blood into an activity... its what keeps things going and all the burnt out people moving on...Communities of enthsiast need newcomers and should welcome them.. but at the same time.. these newcomers need to realize they need help and its not just the internet that can do it. You have to get out and interact with real people and create some actual real life friendships and experiences with other more experienced enthusiast. Clubs are a great way, but those seem to be getting weaker these days also. IDK what the answer is for sure... but it does seem like things are getting much worse in terms of competency. Maybe I'm just that old crusty guy now...

Anyway, I think that is the frustration you see here. Not really against this guy. The stuff on FB... is just pure ignorance and asshattery.

And I also agree anyone can make a mistake like this. If you have not had an "oh shit that could have been a disaster" moment.. Well, you probably have not been on anything remotely difficult yet. And that is OK too.. but don't act like anyone who does is a complete idiot.

Hopefully people can learn from this scenario either way.

I'm only quoting you because I feel like continuing to pull on a thread that you touched on. I agree whole heartedly with your sentiment.

The problem with forums and facebook is that these forms of social media connect people with their passions and whereas before electronic media, people could have ephemeral conversations where the adult learning model would flourish. What electronic media has done is to create a lasting record of these ephemeral conversations that shouldn't exist beyond a few moments. Where someone says "Well that was ducking dumb" - did they mean it? Sure. Was it meant to remain in recorded format for years along with everyone else that issued that glutterance? No.
 
Seeing this has me thinking about how an auto policy would handle this claim, and if there is an easy out for them to deny it. I suppose I should read the fine print on mine to see if it addresses a situation like this, I recall some of my motorcycle policies in the past having clauses about coverage if an accident occurs at a track. Any chance your insurance could leave you out in the cold on a deal like this?

It's a government road, regardless of policy it should be covered. Operating off the road on a track or on private property should be something completely different.
 
Six pages and the owner still hasn't popped up. Hell, its 87 ways on Facebook, 4 or so pages on Arfcom GD, and who knows where else. Yet in every thread I've seen nothing but speculation and asshattery. I wouldn't pop up either -- no use explainiing myself to those who have never done wrong their life...

Hey Arock that you!? :biggrin1:
 
It's a government road, regardless of policy it should be covered. Operating off the road on a track or on private property should be something completely different.

there is no reason to wonder about it, read your policy documents
 
At least the snorkel was OK. LOL.

Don't want to bash on the guy because bad stuff can happen to anyone off-road.. Curious to hear what the story was. Seems like it is probably someone here, the truck looks very familiar.

Pictures never show the angles, but I've ran that trail and nothing tricky when dry, but there were probably some bad lines possible. This looks like the end of the steps... which is the only spot remotely off camber.

Looks to me like he drove into the hole.:first:
 
Shit happens. The driver is probably the man and has more experience than most posting in this thread.

Probably should have left the tire off the roof though...
 
in the pictures it looks like there is plenty of runoff to almost go straight down that slope instead of diagonal down it, or are the pictures deceiving?
 
homie was probably chowing on his gordita crunch wrap supreme and a big ass ball of revenge slipped down his poop chute and he lost control
 
Wow. Why does he have a spare tire on his roof rack and one under his rig.. Its people like this who make a bad name for wheelers and have the trails become closed..
 
Wow. Why does he have a spare tire on his roof rack and one under his rig.. Its people like this who make a bad name for wheelers and have the trails become closed..

I think there is a relatively legitimate use case for having two spare tires. Especially for long distance travel over rugged remote terrain. This is pretty common with a lot of the international 4x4 setups I've seen.
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Having said that I don't think this road falls under that category ;)
 

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