Not sure how this happened but, ouch 2017 flop

Also... conditions can change quickly. A casual drive can suddenly become a crazy mess off-road with rain or snow.. and you can't control the weather or predict it well in the mountains. So if your confidence is up now... just wait til you get caught in bad weather.... it will give you a totally different perspective... mother nature always wins and needs to be respected.

^This for sure. I went up Poughkeepsie Gulch during good weather and it was relatively chill, except for the wall of course. But once it started raining and the sun set, we were crawling at a snails pace on the way out and I couldn't wait to get off the trail.
 
How ever it happened it could have been worse.
Some of you may have seen this on instajunk

Another reminder to be careful when out exploring. Tragic story From Ten8Rescue on Instagram: Some of you may have seen this already, but I output to share it again as a reminder of just how dangerous our passion for off-roading can be. I've copied text from Jerrod Jones' post below.
Our thoughts are with the families and everyone affected by this tragedy. Know your limitations and please be safe out there.
We're addressing this now before rumors start:
Two days ago, heartbreak struck when a vehicle traveling with us on the Lost River Expedition went over the edge in the mountains near Gunnison, Colorado. Without going into details, both Travis and Harley were ejected prior to the Land Cruiser coming to rest more than 600 feet below the road. We raced down a lower path and ran up the mountain to find our friends. Very tragically, Travis did not make it. Harley had head trauma, a shattered lower leg, and a compressed lung. [MENTION=60421]North[/MENTION]idahomudncrawl administered first aid and gave him oxygen until we were able to get him off the mountainside. Harley is in rough shape, but we’re so happy to report that he’s stable and awake at the hospital in Grand Junction, and will hopefully be flying back home to Washington tomorrow.
Feel free to share these pictures—as a reminder that tragedy can strike even when you’re having fun, and to please, please always be careful.
-Jerrod Jones
 

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Here is another one that happened at the end of august. Different situation.. Got very lucky.
https://www.facebook.com/ccie25819/videos/10209838709021276/

Seeing more and more vehicles with their roof crushed is making me think I will put a full cage in my 2nd Gen. I had an 8 pt cage in my Trekker, never needed it though despite many hairy situations over the years and was thinking that i won't put one in the 4runner since I have grown out of the major rock crawling phase of my life

the recovery pictures further down in the thread [MENTION=106176]wfo9[/MENTION] posted how lucky that jeep was and how complicated the recovery was
https://www.facebook.com/CO4x4RnR/photos/pcb.1782373375395373/1782367755395935/?type=3&theater
 
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We've got a place outside of Telluride so I've run all of these more times than I can count and in a wide variety of vehicles. I have seen lots of stupid people doing stupid things and pulled people out of spots that they shouldn't have been.
People constantly think that they can do it because it's a "road". Weather changes really fast up there. Early in the season this year it was raining a TON and the trails are far from easy when they are wet and I've seen people slide off of last dollar just because it's wet and muddy.
Black Bear is not the road to test out your skills. I've come across a couple major wrecks on Black Bear and it's not pretty.
Please if you are not experienced, stay off of Black Bear. Your mistake costs people their day, tons of money to make the rescues, and could cost you your life. You can hike up it if you feel like it, or ride with someone who knows what they are doing.

Also, please know the rules of the road before you get out there. Too many people don't know how to pass. They don't know how to cross a stream. They don't know how to share the trail with people and bikes.

Take care of the land so people will be able to use it in the future.
 
WOW, I'm reading your post and wondering if you have read this thread. I don't want to create DRAMA... but cant help but react a bit.... Almost wondering if it is a troll post.


If your post is real...
I'm glad you made it down... but "beginners luck" and back bear are not exactly cool! It is what causes what happened in this thread and gets more things shut down and puts others in harms way.

You might just have natural ability.. and that is great, but first offroad experience down backbear is not a generally something to encourage. Just had to say that..

You are correct in that it is not "hard" at all. But, any mistake is a disaster and it gets it shut down for others to enjoy in the future. It's an awesome experience and I hope I can continue to take family and friends on it. I can only hope that people have enough respect for it not to get it shut down.

Everyone is different and I'm sure you were fine. I was like you at one point.. thought everyone was just like me and could not understand all the hype about things being dangerous... (I've done all the major adventure sports since I was a kid) But then I started guiding newbies offroad.. and I got a totally different perspective on what I took for grated that people knew as common sense. Anyone can learn... but some peoples instincts are totally off and need some seat time to get the basics down.

Also... conditions can change quickly. A casual drive can suddenly become a crazy mess off-road with rain or snow.. and you can't control the weather or predict it well in the mountains. So if your confidence is up now... just wait til you get caught in bad weather.... it will give you a totally different perspective... mother nature always wins and needs to be respected.

I think I'm actually guilty of encouraging people to try this trail without much experience myself. Thinking differently now.

Not a troll post, not trying to start drama in the thread. While BB was my first off-road trail experience in the 4Runner, I've taken it to the local park (mostly mud, some steep inclines, declines, curves, etc), which gave me a good idea of the "comfort zone" and capability of the 4R. I've also done a lot of autocross, so I'm probably more comfortable behind the wheel than the average driver. Not that I'd want to autocross the 4R or do those kind of maneuvers, but there's some skill transfer there. BB would have been more intimidating had I not had an experience earlier this year in the interior of Costa Rica with a 5 speed Yaris that was easily the most white knuckle 8 hours I've ever spent behind the wheel. Imagine doing the beginning of Imogene on the Telluride side with three other people in the car in a torrential downpour for 8 hours. After that, not much phases me.

Yes, BB requires your full attention, situational awareness, weather awareness, recognition of the consequences of a mistake, and conscious effort to avoid mistakes. Accidents and mistakes can still happen even if you mitigate the risk; it's an inherently risky activity. Every mistake is not automatically a disaster (totaling your 4R is not a disaster, a loss of life is a disaster and tragedy), but every mistake will fall somewhere on the spectrum of consequences. BB was more challenging than I expected, but it was not outside of my comfort zone, nor did I ever feel I was driving beyond the limits of my and my 4R's ability.

I was like you at one point.. thought everyone was just like me and could not understand all the hype about things being dangerous...

If I gave the impression that I think that way, I should have posted with more clarity. I, too, am into adventure sports, primarily trad and sport rock climbing. The things I've seen inexperienced climbers do...I don't want to be anywhere near them if what they're doing will jeopardize my safety. Same goes for anything else. You're right, though, that at the end of the day, you have to respect the road and mother nature.
 
Not a troll post, not trying to start drama in the thread. While BB was my first off-road trail experience in the 4Runner, I've taken it to the local park (mostly mud, some steep inclines, declines, curves, etc), which gave me a good idea of the "comfort zone" and capability of the 4R. I've also done a lot of autocross, so I'm probably more comfortable behind the wheel than the average driver. Not that I'd want to autocross the 4R or do those kind of maneuvers, but there's some skill transfer there. BB would have been more intimidating had I not had an experience earlier this year in the interior of Costa Rica with a 5 speed Yaris that was easily the most white knuckle 8 hours I've ever spent behind the wheel. Imagine doing the beginning of Imogene on the Telluride side with three other people in the car in a torrential downpour for 8 hours. After that, not much phases me.

Yes, BB requires your full attention, situational awareness, weather awareness, recognition of the consequences of a mistake, and conscious effort to avoid mistakes. Accidents and mistakes can still happen even if you mitigate the risk; it's an inherently risky activity. Every mistake is not automatically a disaster (totaling your 4R is not a disaster, a loss of life is a disaster and tragedy), but every mistake will fall somewhere on the spectrum of consequences. BB was more challenging than I expected, but it was not outside of my comfort zone, nor did I ever feel I was driving beyond the limits of my and my 4R's ability.



If I gave the impression that I think that way, I should have posted with more clarity. I, too, am into adventure sports, primarily trad and sport rock climbing. The things I've seen inexperienced climbers do...I don't want to be anywhere near them if what they're doing will jeopardize my safety. Same goes for anything else. You're right, though, that at the end of the day, you have to respect the road and mother nature.

totally agree, operating stuff like that transfers over. mostly its the ability to multitask, be aware, plan, not freak out, and have a light and gradual touch to the brake and gas. Learning at a young age to operate tractors and semi's transferred over to flying in the same way. Basically, be a master operator at all things mechanical and you're good to go:zoom:
 
My wife and I got to Ouray around lunch. On our way in I stopped at a Toyota dealer an hour or so north, and... I saw the rolled 4runner in the original post. Service guy was kind of a prick so hopefully he's getting better service. This is my first new Toyota, and my experience with service has been beyond disappointing. Toyota in Great Falls claimed to have rotated my tires, however they didn't, since I marked a tire before bringing in, garbage like that.

Anyways - we did Imogene Pass today. It was my first "off road" trail in the 4runner. Definitely some challenging spots but we had a blast. We're very impressed with how capable the 4runner is.
 

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I heard he had HID's in his truck. The extra weight of the ballast on the drivers side was enough to cause it to roll on the grade. Yet another reason the "hard core" off-roaders are opposed to HID's.
 
Redundency good

Wow. Why does he have a spare tire on his roof rack and one under his rig.. Its people like this who make a bad name for wheelers and have the trails become closed..

If you've ever been so far back in the hills that you haven't seen anyone in 5 days, and you get a flat, but don't have tire plugs..., you'd understand why the need for two spares.
 
If you've ever been so far back in the hills that you haven't seen anyone in 5 days, and you get a flat, but don't have tire plugs..., you'd understand why the need for two spares.

I'd rather have a spare and a plug kit than two spares and no plug kit, but maybe that's just me. Much easier to patch a tire and save your spare than dismounting and remounting a wheel, throwing it on the roof, etc.
 
I'm not a fan of the gobi rack anyways. Oh, what's that you say? It didn't sustain any damage. Dang.

Anyways, I'm glad everyone was okay and that the damage was minimal. Could have been a lot worse. There's a good chance we'll see that 4runner back out on the road.
 
I'd rather have a spare and a plug kit than two spares and no plug kit, but maybe that's just me. Much easier to patch a tire and save your spare than dismounting and remounting a wheel, throwing it on the roof, etc.

What about 2 full size spare AND a plug kit...?
 
Not to make light of peoples troubles, but does this qualify as "tippy"? There was a bit of a pucker factor as I slowly, gently, turned into this parking space.
 

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