Now i understand why 4runners cost more

Having just replaced my 10' Xterra Off Road with the 13' TE I can attest to the 4 Runner being more expensive due to higher quality materials and better engineering in all areas, drivetrain-electronics-durability and I liked my Xterra until the wreck, so I really like the TE.
 
It is expensive/cost more because mine has 90K+ miles and NOT one trip to the dealer for any issue. All I did was changed the oil (synthetic), fill up the gas, and replaced worn out tires.
 
The chicken tax is why we get this POS version of the Ford Ranger, which hasn't changed since the 90s

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And don't get this Ford ranger (Which the rest of the world does)

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With these drivetrain options:

2.5L Duratec (L5-VE) petrol engine (122 kW & 226Nm) mated with a 5-speed manual transmission

2.2L Duratorq TDCi ("PUMA" ZSD-422) diesel engine (88 kW & 285Nm; 92 kW & 330Nm or 110 kW & 375Nm) consumes as little as 7.6 L/100 km[9] (37.2 mpg-imp or 30.9 mpg-US) with choices of 6-speed manual or automatic transmission

3.2L Duratorq TDCi ("PUMA" P5AT) diesel engine (147 kW & 470 Nm) at 8.4 L/100 km[10] (33.6 mpg-imp or 28.0 mpg-US) with choices of 6-speed manual or automatic transmission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_%28T6%29
 
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Whiplash Willy said:
The chicken tax is why we get this POS version of the Ford Ranger, which hasn't changed since the 90s
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Those aren't in production anymore. Last one rolled off the line December 22, 2011. :hatsoff:

Ford's Euro-Ranger has nothing to do with the chicken tax I don't believe.

It's the importing of Transit Connects they found a loophole for.
 
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The American car industry is unique because the "customer is always wrong". No matter what kind of crap they produce, we somehow owe it to them to continue buying it. No need to earn our business.... Guilt trip us instead.
 
KidVermicious said:
Whether you agree with this particular tax or not, "Buy American" is not just jingoistic union BS. There's absolutely a benefit for every taxpayer to retaining manufacturing capability in the US - it drives higher wages, broadens the tax base, and provides strategic capabilities, just to name a few benefits.

I would love for Toyota to manufacture more vehicles in the US.
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What this amounts to is a subsidy for domestically produced goods. I object to it because your government has set the precedent that it will combat similar practices in other nations as being unfair and prejudicial, but they are more than happy to enact this kind of legislation at home, and do so in nearly every industry from forestry and farming to manufacturing and tech industries.


Stifler said:
dont be mad that you frenchies only make Labatts and Hockey Pucks
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haha don't forget maple syrup and poutine! but frankly, I think if you asked your average canadian, most of them would say that they are eagerly awaiting their opportunity to vote on Quebec separation so we can finally get rid of those whiny bastards once and for all.
 
crunchcity said:
Those aren't in production anymore. Last one rolled off the line December 22, 2011. :hatsoff:

Ford's Euro-Ranger has nothing to do with the chicken tax I don't believe.

It's the importing of Transit Connects they found a loophole for.
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Part of the reason US and Canada don't get the new ranger is the chicken tax, the other part is the stupidity of the American Auto Industry, that believes that we don't want compact pickups with reasonably sized efficient diesel engines. They believe the decrease of compact pickup sales is because we no longer want compact pickups. The real reason is we don't have very good choices. Also Ford doesn't want to take away sales from the F150, with its "super efficient" world saving Eco Boost engine that gets 19mpg..... Yea, why would anyone want a reasonably sized quad cab with 3.2l Diesel Engine with 470 torques, mated to a manual 6-speed, that gets 28mpg, when you could have a 19mpg Eco Boost stuck in an oversized platform?

Although the T6 Ranger is offered in 180 markets globally, it is not currently planned to be sold in the United States or Canada,[2] due to the new platform being too close in size and cost to the F-150, and due to overall declining sales of compact pickups in North America. However, it is offered in the Middle East and Mexico in addition to the F-150.[3][4] Ford initially planned a mid-size truck based on a modified F-150 chassis for the North American market named the F-100;[5] however, this was shelved in favour of offering the 3.5L EcoBoost V6 engine on the F-150. Additionally, American and Canadian safety and emissions standards as well as the long-standing 25% import tariff imposed on non-American built light trucks prevent the T6 Ranger from being imported into North America.
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Jono.ful said:
What this amounts to is a subsidy for domestically produced goods. I object to it because your government has set the precedent that it will combat similar practices in other nations as being unfair and prejudicial, but they are more than happy to enact this kind of legislation at home, and do so in nearly every industry from forestry and farming to manufacturing and tech industries.
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Sure, it's protectionist. And other countries are equally at liberty to set their own protectionist policies, or negotiate with the US to remove ours, or whatever.

What you really don't like is that we've got the clout to make those policies stick and little brother to the north doesn't. But hey, don't let that get in the way of your righteous indignation.
 
What this amounts to is a subsidy for domestically produced goods. I object to it because your government has set the precedent that it will combat similar practices in other nations as being unfair and prejudicial, but they are more than happy to enact this kind of legislation at home, and do so in nearly every industry from forestry and farming to manufacturing and tech industries.
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Seems like a "tit for tat" game countries do to each other fueled by the various industry lobbyists to give them an advantage.

The chicken tax was a response to foreign tariff's imposed on a U.S. good.
 
"Now i understand why 4runners cost more" ......

Curious - more than what? They are a pretty unique vehicle in terms of real competitors.

But if you were comparison shopping, against, say, a Pilot, or a GX, or MDX, or PF - seems to me that a 4R is reasonably price-competitive. Anything else I'd even consider buying would probably cost more.
 
KidVermicious said:
Sure, it's protectionist. And other countries are equally at liberty to set their own protectionist policies, or negotiate with the US to remove ours, or whatever.

What you really don't like is that we've got the clout to make those policies stick and little brother to the north doesn't. But hey, don't let that get in the way of your righteous indignation.
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perhaps you should read up on softwood lumber deals (or beef, or pork), or check Canadian duties on American made goods. Believe me, there are plenty of financial incentives for Canadians to buy Canadian products, or at least products from Canadian retailers. I'm not saying these policies are always a bad thing, but it is a huge piss off when prices are driven up artificially because of them.
 
Jono.ful said:
perhaps you should read up on softwood lumber deals (or beef, or pork), or check Canadian duties on American made goods. Believe me, there are plenty of financial incentives for Canadians to buy Canadian products, or at least products from Canadian retailers. I'm not saying these policies are always a bad thing, but it is a huge piss off when prices are driven up artificially because of them.
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I'll buy that. But it's macroeconomics. It's what nations do. The alternative is a lot worse, have you seen what's going on in Venezuala as a result of government price fixing?
 
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