Ryan F.
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If the thing is overfilled--and I don't think it is--you very much have something here. Good post.
Oil - a bit dirty looking and overfilled
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If the thing is overfilled--and I don't think it is--you very much have something here. Good post.
That depends on the dealer. My dealer doesn't have the capability to dispense oil from a machine, so it's up to the tech to add the correct amount of oil.
Koz
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Every engine is different as to how it is affected by over filling. As DocMT stated it could cause foaming of the oil and could cause problems. Unless someone has experienced this problem it would be an assumption to say it is or is not a problem. I have seen a loss of power and/or a loss of mileage. The crankshaft could experience more resistance/drag. I would simply loosen the drain plug and bleed a little, it’s not worth a trip back to the Stealer.
Koz
Koz
For the record, I re-checked the oil level several times, cleaning the stick between readings to make sure what I was seeing was correct. Later in the day, I checked it a few more times to make absolutely sure I didn't make a mistake. I know that 'stray oil' can make reading the stick difficult at times, but the general reading I kept getting was what I showed in the picture. The level shown was also taken less than 30 minutes after the engine was turned off so any consideration of drainage would in fact mean an even larger overfill than what is seen.
If it was slightly over the top mark I would not worry about it, but this is more than 'slightly above'. I could not make it to the dealership on monday, but will try for tuesday.
The bottom line, it's not worth the risk of leaving it like that and it should have never been overfilled that much in the first place.
Rob
Ryan F.
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Rob--No disrespect intended, man. It's tough to get a clean read on that stick. Please let us know what the dealership says. For the record, I sent your pic to my tech, and he agrees with me. Not trying to prove you wrong at all, just trying to put your mind at peace.
tlflow
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filter?
They may have not changed filter. It requires a tiny bit less oil when filter is not changed. This may account for the oil color being slightly darker too.
They may have not changed filter. It requires a tiny bit less oil when filter is not changed. This may account for the oil color being slightly darker too.
1000MPH
Senior Member
Unfortunately you don't know why or what happended and I imagine you won't feel comfortable until you get it changed properly again. I would use that arguement with the dealer to get a refund, or another change if you aren't going to do it yourself.
I was pretty sure they changed my filter since they broke the bolt on the skip plate and over torqued the filter housing.
My oil was underfilled and/but I was only charged for 6 qts.:jump:
A little surprised I didn't get a bill for another 1/2 qt when I took it back.
They are simply people who don't care and/or cannot follow basic procedures and we know that the procedures Toyota has created are very clear (even I can follow them).
I'm dealing with this in my workplace so I get a bit frustrated, especially in this age of high unemployment where good workers cannot find a job.
I was pretty sure they changed my filter since they broke the bolt on the skip plate and over torqued the filter housing.
My oil was underfilled and/but I was only charged for 6 qts.:jump:
A little surprised I didn't get a bill for another 1/2 qt when I took it back.
They are simply people who don't care and/or cannot follow basic procedures and we know that the procedures Toyota has created are very clear (even I can follow them).
I'm dealing with this in my workplace so I get a bit frustrated, especially in this age of high unemployment where good workers cannot find a job.
Wow, this is a tough crowd here. Comments ranging on everything from suspecting the oil filter wasn't changed to totally incompetent techs. Seriously, they overfilled the oil a little bit....it's not the end of the world and no real harm was done. You guys sound like a bunch of prissy Lexus owners (no offense to the actual Lexus owners who frequent this forum).
To be fair, when you read posts like this
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/82569-1-qty-moms-pride-n-joy-2010-te-toast.html
it does make you wonder if they pay the oil change techs at the dealership in bananas.
I agree...I read that post and felt bad for the poor guy (and his mom). I'm not trying to discount the damage, but stuff happens. People make mistakes. Life throws curve balls at you sometimes. I know it sucks, but I don't let stuff like that get me upset, and believe me when I say I've had my share of bad luck.
Gen 5 oil overfill (2010 4L Limited)
Here is the lowdown on this after spending the past year sorting this out. I had the oil and filter (supposedly) changed by the dealer at 5k, 10k, and 15k miles. Every time the dipstick read 1 to 1-1/2 inches over full mark on first pull after sitting overnight. Wipe it off and make a second stick and you no longer can get an accurate reading nor will you get an accurate reading until the engine is cold and has sat for several hours again. This is due to the dipstick configuration. As I was worried about overfill i spoke with the dealer each time who said don't worry about it everything is correct.
Decided to change oil myself at 17k before an extended trip. I followed the Toyota service manual detailed procedures including torgue specs etc. and used Genuine Toyota parts and oil filter cannister wrench and filter backdrain tool. This is not an easy change as there are several skid and cover plates to remove, one to drain the oil pan and more difficult the skid plate to get to the filter cannister. Also you need to go back and re-drain the oil pan after changing the filter as some oil drains back down when using the drain tool when removing the old filter. Long story short I drained exactly 8 quarts installed by the dealer at the 15k oil change rather than 6.5 that should be there. I refillled with exactly 6.5 quarts of syn 0W-20. Ran the car around for a day, let sit overnight and dipstick read dead nuts on the full mark on first pull and oil was perfectly clear unlike after dealer oil change when it had a dirty brown tinge. Note... Toyota API SN 0W-20 Part Number 00279-0WQTE is perfectly clear.
Spoke with service manager about this when I brought it in at 21K for the last free oil and filter change by dealer. Brought car home after driving around a while and let sit overnight. First cold dipstick pull next morning was 1-1/2 inches above full and oil had dirty brown tinge. My conclusion is that the dealer is only draing the crankcase and not changing the filter or backdraing the crankcase. Called the service manager with my suspicions and brought back next day where he let sit for a few hours to verify high dipstick reading and then he supervised a re-change. He admitted that it was overfilled as they did the procedure correctly and measured what came out. He wouldn't say by how much but I'll bet it was about 8 quarts. He filled exactly 6.5 quarts using quart bottles of Toyota oil and gave me the remaining half quart to take home. Drove the car around and checked oil level cold first thing next morning. Result... dipstick read exacly on full mark on first pull and oil is perfectly clear. My conclusion is the dealer "techs" are cutting corners and draining the oil pan only as I got about 1-1/2 quarts from the filter change and backdrain of the oil pan.
Hope this helps clear up the issue of high readings on the dipstick after dealer oil changes.
Here is the lowdown on this after spending the past year sorting this out. I had the oil and filter (supposedly) changed by the dealer at 5k, 10k, and 15k miles. Every time the dipstick read 1 to 1-1/2 inches over full mark on first pull after sitting overnight. Wipe it off and make a second stick and you no longer can get an accurate reading nor will you get an accurate reading until the engine is cold and has sat for several hours again. This is due to the dipstick configuration. As I was worried about overfill i spoke with the dealer each time who said don't worry about it everything is correct.
Decided to change oil myself at 17k before an extended trip. I followed the Toyota service manual detailed procedures including torgue specs etc. and used Genuine Toyota parts and oil filter cannister wrench and filter backdrain tool. This is not an easy change as there are several skid and cover plates to remove, one to drain the oil pan and more difficult the skid plate to get to the filter cannister. Also you need to go back and re-drain the oil pan after changing the filter as some oil drains back down when using the drain tool when removing the old filter. Long story short I drained exactly 8 quarts installed by the dealer at the 15k oil change rather than 6.5 that should be there. I refillled with exactly 6.5 quarts of syn 0W-20. Ran the car around for a day, let sit overnight and dipstick read dead nuts on the full mark on first pull and oil was perfectly clear unlike after dealer oil change when it had a dirty brown tinge. Note... Toyota API SN 0W-20 Part Number 00279-0WQTE is perfectly clear.
Spoke with service manager about this when I brought it in at 21K for the last free oil and filter change by dealer. Brought car home after driving around a while and let sit overnight. First cold dipstick pull next morning was 1-1/2 inches above full and oil had dirty brown tinge. My conclusion is that the dealer is only draing the crankcase and not changing the filter or backdraing the crankcase. Called the service manager with my suspicions and brought back next day where he let sit for a few hours to verify high dipstick reading and then he supervised a re-change. He admitted that it was overfilled as they did the procedure correctly and measured what came out. He wouldn't say by how much but I'll bet it was about 8 quarts. He filled exactly 6.5 quarts using quart bottles of Toyota oil and gave me the remaining half quart to take home. Drove the car around and checked oil level cold first thing next morning. Result... dipstick read exacly on full mark on first pull and oil is perfectly clear. My conclusion is the dealer "techs" are cutting corners and draining the oil pan only as I got about 1-1/2 quarts from the filter change and backdrain of the oil pan.
Hope this helps clear up the issue of high readings on the dipstick after dealer oil changes.
Also I would like to add to my earlier post that when I changed the oil myself at 17k after the dealer did it at 15k I also noted the following:
- Oil pan drain plug overtighted and no washer installed. Needed a long 1/2 inch breaker bar to break free
- One of the two bolts on the lower radiator cover was sheared off and had to remove stub from behind
- One of the four bolts on the skid plate was crossed threaded and but was able to run a tap thru it and salvage
- Oil pan drain plug overtighted and no washer installed. Needed a long 1/2 inch breaker bar to break free
- One of the two bolts on the lower radiator cover was sheared off and had to remove stub from behind
- One of the four bolts on the skid plate was crossed threaded and but was able to run a tap thru it and salvage
Having worked at a Mazda/Pontiac dealership back in the day (1970's), I observed the following regarding the service folks that change the oil:
-Typical age of the technician was 18 (do not know about YOU, but when I was 18 I had TWO things on my mind; Snapper and Beer
-The REAL good techs do NOT conduct oil changes, they are doing more skilled work (and making more money)
-Lots of folks that had their oil serviced would bring their vehicles back due to ongoing problems such as....persistent oil drips, loose oil filters, hot temp lights etc
-Techs used all manner of stupid tools to change oil, rarely the proper ones
The lesson here (I believe) is that no one cares about your vehicle MORE than you. I have never had my oil changed by a dealership or Jiffy-Lube since working at that dealership 30-plus years ago. Maybe things have changed, but I doubt it.
