OME 891 & LC Coil Comparison

[CSL]

The OME 890's couldn't take the load of my camping gear--sag

The OME 891's couldn't take it either--sag

The 7/8 wrap LC coils I believe have done the trick.

The photos are with about 150 to 200 pounds of gear in the back. I gained exactly 2" over the OME's. About 4.5 to 5 inches over stock.

The LC coils had less wraps and smaller diameter, but steeper coil angle than the OME's and were thus taller. They were a bear to compress into place.

The coil comparison:

The height of the OME 891's:

The height of the LC Coils:

The rake of the rig (OME 882's on front, with bumper/winch weight):

Enjoy the last pic, I removed the flares shortly after, and now have a bunch of ugly holes until I do my fill and lining of them...but that's a different story.

 

[CSL]

By the way...

I will have either OME 890's or 891's for sale, as soon as I find out if my buddy wants to swap for my 891's. He gets first dibs. Either way, his 890's are also new.

Local is better.

 

[sn0wrunner]

Looks great!!!

I'm glad you got those in there finally!

 

[shawnstcyr]

What year did your LC springs come out of? I picked up a set today out of a '91, $50. I plan on letting the vehicle weight do my compressing. What shocks are you running back there? Vehicle make specifically.

 

[CSL]

What year did your LC springs come out of? I picked up a set today out of a '91, $50. I plan on letting the vehicle weight do my compressing. What shocks are you running back there? Vehicle make specifically.

I can't exactly remember the year...I think it was a 94? I also got them for $50, but I also got the rear coils, and all four factory shocks. Hopefully I can sell those to some LC owner and recoup some of my 50!

I am using the OME nitro shocks...the ones designed for the 4runner.

I didn't feel like disconnecting my shocks and dropping the axle that far, so I just compressed the $#it out of them and swapped them without taking the truck apart.

 

[LINY4Runner]

I didn't feel like disconnecting my shocks and dropping the axle that far, so I just compressed the $#it out of them and swapped them without taking the truck apart.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAT???? dude, I removed my shocks AND sway bar and it was still ridiculously hard!

 

[techno]

I was thinking about your sag issues the other day. Over the weekend I did some concreting and I carried 10 80lb bags home from the hardware store. With 890's and 800+ lbs, the rear end dropped to just below level with the front, only just. (Wife had the camera so couldn't take a pic) I was pleasantly surprised with the resulting stance. From your posts over the past few months I was expecting more sag. How much weight do you estimate you carry when fully loaded?

 

[theizzardking]

dude i bought one of these about 5 years ago and have used it on every spring/spacer install i have ever done and it makes the job go like butter, the other spring compressors scare the crap out of me as it seems one side or the other can pop off and kill you, lol

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=43753


side question, how much less of a rake do you think you'll have without bumper and winch on there? like i've been talking about i'm shooting for level and i have the lc coils as well.

 

[00Spork]

Looking good Glenn! Were gonna have to go test out your new level of flex before it gets too snowy here!

 

[CSL]

How much weight do you estimate you carry when fully loaded?

I would estimate about 650lbs but who knows how good my estimates are. The last page of my "custom dog storage system" thread has a good picture of all the stuff unloaded from the roof and rack.

dude i bought one of these about 5 years ago and have used it on every spring/spacer install i have ever done and it makes the job go like butter, the other spring compressors scare the crap out of me as it seems one side or the other can pop off and kill you, lol

side question, how much less of a rake do you think you'll have without bumper and winch on there? like i've been talking about i'm shooting for level and i have the lc coils as well.

Yeah...I hear ya. The worst ever was when I was assembling my OME 882 coil-overs. Those are some thick-a$$ coils up there!!

I bet if I took off the front weight, I would be sitting about level...maybe one inch of rake. I haven't measure the rake specifically (front to rear comparison) but I think it's about 1.5 inches.

Looking good Glenn! Were gonna have to go test out your new level of flex before it gets too snowy here!

Dude, I am pissed right now...I got NO flex. I put on an aftermarket CV axle and at full droop the front tire totally locks up. I can't hit the trails until I figure out what to replace it with and how to pay for it. Check out my thread on the issue. I AM PISSED OFF ABOUT IT!!!

 

[tineman06]

what does the rake look like with no loaded weight in the back?
I was thinking of getting 882/891 combo although i have no winch or bumper. I often do carry camping/climbing gear and such for trips or ~200lbs of bike on the hitch.
any thoughts for what this would end up like?

 

[CSL]

what does the rake look like with no loaded weight in the back?
I was thinking of getting 882/891 combo although i have no winch or bumper. I often do carry camping/climbing gear and such for trips or ~200lbs of bike on the hitch.
any thoughts for what this would end up like?

I am not sure, but I would guess that I would have sat level with no load in the back and the 882/891 combo, but that's with weight on the front.

I wouldn't recommend the 882s unless you have weight up front. I think the 881's would probably be the best choice. My good freind went with the 880's and no weight and hates it. It really didn't give him much lift.

 

[Ron Helmuth]

good comparo thread

that is a good shot highlighting the exact difference in height between the 891 rear coils and the Land Cruiser front coil for use in a Runner rear.

So if I understand correctly --no "extended travel" shocks are necessary to work with the increased travel of the L/C springs? Would you get increased flex with extended length shocks?

tineman I would discourage the 891s for typically daily usage-if you travel loaded up all the time then they would likely work fine. They are stiff stiff stiff and the 882s also likely too stiff up front with no ARB and winch.

 

[024RunnerSE]

I got LC coils on my 98. I did this mod before it was even thought about anyone else back in 2000, I must be super.. lmao.

Both my LC springs brand new costed about 80 bux genuine parts

 

[seymourwaterz]

Interested in selling your flares?

 

[CSL]

Interested in selling your flares?

I am asking $125 plus shipping. No promises that it will be easy to put them on, cause it won't. Been screwed on internet sales before and I won't ship until I recieve the full $125. After you recieve them, send second payment for shipping costs. Puts all the risk on you, that's why I have been trying to sell them locally. Beats the $400+ for aftermarket ones.

 

[Elton H]

awesome i got lc's comeing since my 882s and top out spacers are a bit much for the 891s

 

[trd_4runnin]

that is a good shot highlighting the exact difference in height between the 891 rear coils and the Land Cruiser front coil for use in a Runner rear.

So if I understand correctly --no "extended travel" shocks are necessary to work with the increased travel of the L/C springs? Would you get increased flex with extended length shocks?

tineman I would discourage the 891s for typically daily usage-if you travel loaded up all the time then they would likely work fine. They are stiff stiff stiff and the 882s also likely too stiff up front with no ARB and winch.

Ron, I don't have LC coils so I can't speak from experience but I would think that you would definitely want extended length shocks with the rear LC coils. In fact, I think a lot of guys just use the stock LC shocks. I suppose if you were just going for lift and don't off road much you may be able to get away with it, but with my 890s out back, I got almost no extra flex in the rear because of my stock shocks. I've seen pictures of the LC coils flexing and they flex like crazy, but if you don't have extended shocks you won't gain much at all.

 

[atalarico]

So, I came upon this from the link about your rear sag with your 890s. Like Tinemman, when I go to the mountains, I usually go with a lot of gear. I just installed a lift a few weeks back. Eibach/Bil 5100 combo up front, with 890/Bil 5125 in back.

Everything sits level right now with 23.5" between center of hub to fender, a full tank of gas, my Thule MOAB basket, a hitch, spare tire (useless and deflated), a 3 gal water jug, and probably 25lbs of emergency gear/tools.

However, once these springs settle, and once I have a few other climbers with me...and our absurd amount of gear, I'm picturing the sag. I did the lift partly because I hated the sag before.

Should I wait and see or is this going to be another sagger? Will the front springs settle too and sort of stay where it is currently? I plan on removing the tow hitch regardless.

One thing I haven't been able to find is the ride of LC springs. Is it harsh like 891s? This is my almost daily driver, and I don't always drive with climbers in the car (it would be pretty smelly if I did).

Thanks in advance! Sorry for bringing up an old thread.

 

[Duhockey]

So, I came upon this from the link about your rear sag with your 890s. Like Tinemman, when I go to the mountains, I usually go with a lot of gear. I just installed a lift a few weeks back. Eibach/Bil 5100 combo up front, with 890/Bil 5125 in back.

Everything sits level right now with 23.5" between center of hub to fender, a full tank of gas, my Thule MOAB basket, a hitch, spare tire (useless and deflated), a 3 gal water jug, and probably 25lbs of emergency gear/tools.

However, once these springs settle, and once I have a few other climbers with me...and our absurd amount of gear, I'm picturing the sag. I did the lift partly because I hated the sag before.

Should I wait and see or is this going to be another sagger? Will the front springs settle too and sort of stay where it is currently? I plan on removing the tow hitch regardless.

One thing I haven't been able to find is the ride of LC springs. Is it harsh like 891s? This is my almost daily driver, and I don't always drive with climbers in the car (it would be pretty smelly if I did).

Thanks in advance! Sorry for bringing up an old thread.

sounds like you are a candidate for the OME 851 or 861 coils,

look up the info on those, Gerdo has a bunch of info about them.