On board charger for AGM battery

I am considering adding an on board charger to ensure my new Odessey 34R stays healthy. I am particularly interested in the Powermania Turbo M108E. It is among those on the list as approved by Odyssey and is an 8 amp 14.7 volt(in AGM+ mode) charger. It is waterproof and will reside under the hood. I have seen a few folks here using the NOCO genius chargers but they only put up 14.4 volts.

Does anyone have any experience with Powermania chargers?

What would be the benefit, if any, of using the NOCO?
 
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I suspect that most just aren't familiar with that charger

If the Powermania is on the list as being approved for the battery I'd go ahead and get it, it looks like a good unit


related - is the NOCO just not on the approved list or is it disapproved? On my NOCO I typically see charging voltages at almost 14.6V (but that is within spec for my battery, i'm not using a odyssey), has odyssey said the NOCO won't work or have they just not reviewed it?
 
Hmm, hadn't heard of them, in all honesty. Seems like a fine unit. The only major thing I see is a IP65 (splash proof) rating versus nocos fully sealed IP68 (full ingress). Not a big deal really, depending on where you put it.

Odyssey's recommended optimum charging voltages are 14.4-15.0.
 
related - is the NOCO just not on the approved list or is it disapproved? On my NOCO I typically see charging voltages at almost 14.6V (but that is within spec for my battery, i'm not using a odyssey), has odyssey said the NOCO won't work or have they just not reviewed it?

My guess is that it has not been tested by them. Both chargers are at nearly the same price point and I think its safe to say enough people are using the NOCO that there is no real negative to using it. As far as the waterproofing, mounted under the hood it would be at least as safe as any of the OEM electrical components. Many of those arent sealed at all. I think if I got in water that deep, the charger would be the least of my concern.

The NOCO appears to have a desulfacation stage whereas the other does not or at least I dont recall seeing it in their literature. Should that raise a red flag either way?
 
Odyssey's recommended optimum charging voltages are 14.4-15.0.
the NOCO may not be high enough then

I just picked a random date and looked at the trending and the highest peak I found was 14.5V
 
OP
Is Mounting a charger on board for convenience or necessity ?

kinda both, it allows long term parking when running something like a fridge but if you have a large capacity AGM battery you will also need to maintenance charge to prevent sulfation (or upgrade to a higher output, higher voltage alternator)
 
kinda both, it allows long term parking when running something like a fridge but if you have a large capacity AGM battery you will also need to maintenance charge to prevent sulfation (or upgrade to a higher output, higher voltage alternator)

I understand,
I have Five AGM batteries. 2 in the 4runner, 2 in my boat and 1 in a larger SUV. I use the CTEK 7002 charger (I have two of these) I rotate the chargers between all the batteries to prevent desulfation . The 4runner when not used is plugged into the charger( Its not a daily driver.) Neither is the boat or larger SUV. My daily drivers do not have AGM batteries.

The AGM batteries are great for a vehicle that is not driven every day or requires more amp hours for accessories. The trick is maintenance, you have to stay on top of it.

My question is why do you have a need to have and on board charger? you will still need 120 Volt outlet to plug into. When You Camp are you using a Generator or some other full hook up camp site?

Don;t get me wrong, I'm not saying it a bad thing I just need to understand why use a on board instead of a stand alone charger?
 
Don;t get me wrong, I'm not saying it a bad thing I just need to understand why use a on board instead of a stand alone charger?

Convenience. I park it for the week and plug it in. No fuddling around moving/swapping/ect.
 
I understand,
I have Five AGM batteries. 2 in the 4runner, 2 in my boat and 1 in a larger SUV. I use the CTEK 7002 charger (I have two of these) I rotate the chargers between all the batteries to prevent desulfation . The 4runner when not used is plugged into the charger( Its not a daily driver.) Neither is the boat or larger SUV. My daily drivers do not have AGM batteries.

The AGM batteries are great for a vehicle that is not driven every day or requires more amp hours for accessories. The trick is maintenance, you have to stay on top of it.

My question is why do you have a need to have and on board charger? you will still need 120 Volt outlet to plug into. When You Camp are you using a Generator or some other full hook up camp site?

Don;t get me wrong, I'm not saying it a bad thing I just need to understand why use a on board instead of a stand alone charger?

so if you understand the need for maintaining your battery then the answer to your question is convenience- it costs no more than other chargers but is more convenient to use
 
Thanks for the reply Jrandom & Jhguth
I thought that was the motivator for this Mod.
 
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kinda both, it allows long term parking when running something like a fridge but if you have a large capacity AGM battery you will also need to maintenance charge to prevent sulfation (or upgrade to a higher output, higher voltage alternator)

Its necessity and convenience.

Necessary because... AGM requires maintanance...and...I work shift work. For me that means a 30 minute drive to work, a 12 hour shift, and then 30 minutes home where it stays parked until i go back to work. With a fridge running 24-7 the voltage dips. Every other weekend im off 3 days. If I stay put all weekend, im sure the voltage will dip. I havent had the set up long enough to see how far. I have already ordered the voltage boost diode and am anxious to see how that helps...if at all. The on board charger would make it super easy for me to just connect an extention cord to the truck one day each week to keep it topped off.

Convenient because.... I live in a 1950s era cabin on a lake. I dont have a garage or even a carport to be able to set up a charger out of the weather. Having an on board unit would solve that. Also, I do a lot of travelling and camping in remote areas. I have only used one campsite for one night that had a 110 receptacle. It was nice to be able to recharge EVERYTHING! Im not opposed to pulling into a state park somewhere and reserving a powered campsite if im in the middle of a trip and have noticed low battery voltage, or need a shower, or laundry, etc. an onboard unit is always with you. Shame to run a battery low and have your charger 7 states away at home.

I do own a good charger that has an agm setting. I havent researched to see if its a good choice for the odyssey. I use it to maintain the wet cell on my party barge. Its an older unit made by black and decker.

Another option, of course, is to power off the fridge except for trips. Id be okay with that too, but honestly its been nice having it running to keep a stock of drinks in and to haul cold items from grocery trips. A week ago tomorrow I made the final connections to power up the fridge. So this is all new for me still. Im trying to be vigillent to determine what sort of attention the set up will require. I have a single 34r odessey, a dometic cfx50, and its a 2017 t4r. I considered a dual battery set up but didnt think I stay parked long enough on trips to justfy needing that much reserve. I also considered a group 31 single battery, but my research led me to discover that not only would the group 34 suffice for my needs, but that maintaining the group 31 might require even more attention. So this is my set up. Future option includes solar panel and charge controller.
 
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Some of the info in this thread seems wrong...

I use a Noco, but there are different settings based on what you need.

12v Norm = 14.5v
12v Cold / AGM = 14.8v
12v AGM + = 15.5v

I've used maintainer / chargers from Noco and CTEK. No problems with either...

Heres the noco manual for my G7200 that shows the modes and voltages.

https://web.bootman.nl/manuals/28-g7200_manual.pdf
 
Convenience. I park it for the week and plug it in. No fuddling around moving/swapping/ect.

I have both ... and it's kinda one in the same...

You either plug in the AC side of the thing, or the DC side of the thing.

I use a stand alone charger with some Anderson quick disconnects... I get more convenience since I can move it around if needed. It stays put in the garage or I can take it with me on the road if I needed.

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Its convenient from the standpoint that if I am lazy and dont want to disconnect it, the tension from backing out freely breaks the connection.

It also serves as an accessory power port from outside of the truck, fused at 30 amps so its good for air pumps or other larger loads.

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Don;t get me wrong, I'm not saying it a bad thing I just need to understand why use a on board instead of a stand alone charger?

Its literally 100% personal preference... both accomplish the same thing.

A boat and RV is a great example of for on-board... ur always on the move, and 99.9% of places you are going to dock will have 120v shore power. Extension cable is all you need, less fuss with accessories.

I opted for external stand alone for the garage... its only plugged into a maintainer when at home. Its a weekend truck, so its always on float, but I never plug in when I am on the road... between the alternator and solar, it pretty much stays full anyways anyways... plus I would be hard pressed to find a 120v AC outlet where I go... I rather not even bother with having the equipment on the truck. The saved space went to a high quality MPPT solar charge controller for the panel instead.

You can easily make an external charger an on-board charger or vice versa if you just connect it differently. The "on-board" charger on my Silverado is just an external Noco G7200 wired up like an on-board unit using one of these installed on my bumper...
https://no.co/gcp1

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Some of the info in this thread seems wrong...

I use a Noco, but there are different settings based on what you need.

12v Norm = 14.5v
12v Cold / AGM = 14.8v
12v AGM + = 15.5v

I've used maintainer / chargers from Noco and CTEK. No problems with either...

Heres the noco manual for my G7200 that shows the modes and voltages.

https://web.bootman.nl/manuals/28-g7200_manual.pdf

the G7200 is not an onboard charger

Here are NOCO's On-Board chargers, most get the GENM1 or GEN1 it has no user adjustable settings and charges at 14.4V (nominal, the voltage follows the charging steps)
https://noco-thenococompany.netdna-...onboard-marine-battery-charger-info-sheet.pdf

I guess you could hard mount a G7200 as an on-board charger, but since it's IP65 not IP68 like the GENM1 I don't see an advantage over getting the IP65-rated unit from the approved list. And do you not have to push buttons on the G7200 to use it?
 
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the G7200 is not an onboard charger

Here are NOCO's On-Board chargers, most get the GENM1 or GEN1 it has no user adjustable settings and charges at 14.4V (nominal, the voltage follows the charging steps)
https://noco-thenococompany.netdna-...onboard-marine-battery-charger-info-sheet.pdf

I guess you could hard mount a G7200 as an on-board charger, but since it's IP65 not IP68 like the GENM1 I don't see an advantage over getting the IP65-rated unit from the approved list. And do you not have to push buttons on the G7200 to use it?

I get what you are saying now, their on-board models have less options.

I used a G3500 and wired it like an on-board charger... the only difference being it's not marketing as one, and I decided to weather proof it myself by adding silicone to any points of ingress for extra protection.

IP65 vs IP68
http://www.enclosurecompany.com/ip-ratings-explained.php

First digit is dust, 2nd is moisture.
5 = Protected against water spray from all directions.
8 = Protected against temporary immersion.

Just don't mount it in a low point, and or if you are attracted to river crossings perhaps put it it inside or seal it up or get something with a higher rating.

I am pretty sure the Noco remembers the last setting that was used... so you do need to pay a little attention during setup, but it should keep the setting. I can test it later when I get home if you like.
 
that seems like a worse solution than just getting the on board charger the manufacturer approved

Its really not that complicated... but sure... then just get that.

I happen to have a few of these things laying around from when I had a bunch of ATVs and other desert toys... im just re-purposing stuff I already had. Adding a bead of silicone takes 10 min and adds a grip of protection.

The only point I was trying to make was just because it doesn't say on-board, doesn't mean you cant use it as an on-board charger.
 
Noco 3500 user here:

I'm assuming your fridge has both 120VAC and 12VDC inputs (mine does). So, in the driveway ever day I plug in my truck that runs inside to a normal surge protector. From there the Noco is plugged in and goes to work topping off the AGM battery in the back. The fridge is also on the surge protector so it switches over to running on the 120VAC so there's nearly no load on the "house" AGM battery. My charger runs for a few hours to top off and condition the battery. When I come out in the morning the Noco shows a nice green light to show the cycle was completed. There's no button-pushing to do once it's set up for AGM as it keeps the previous setting even after losing power.

I'm using my charger as an "onboard" but since it's inside the passenger compartment (behind the back seat) there's no worry about moisture or dust to speak of. The "house" battery charges via the fridge wiring running up front while the vehicle is running but is isolated when I shut down via a big relay. I've got a 50W (too small really) solar panel setup to help with recharging but so far I haven't sat anywhere long enough to need it. It stays at home now.

The whole rig is set up with some big Anderson connectors. In the case of a failure I can pull the house battery out in about 30 seconds and reconnect the fridge. In this case it's direct to the starter battery (through a fuse of course) but will run until the voltage gets too low and shuts off (currently set to 11.5 I think). This way worst case scenario I can pull out this house battery to help someone jump a vehicle or as a portable power source for camping or other activities.

This is far from an ideal setup but has been working well for about the last 6 months.
 

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