Dropzone
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LPC's FTW!
Preppers and Bugout Guys...solid tire options
- Thread starter MidnightOffRoad
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LPC's FTW!
That's what I was thinking. That and good back pack with some essential items in it. First aid, some ammo, food, water, water filtration, you know, survival stuff.
pluton
Senior Member
Escape Florida using dirt roads? How possible is that?
MidnightOffRoad
New member
Sigh.....
Focus people, focus. The thread can turn into an interesting debate about the philosophy of preparedness (or mania) and all sorts of alternate theories about what's the best way to achieve that, bug in, bug out, vehicle out, walk out, etc, etc.
Prepping is nothing more than an insurance policy. I buy insurance even though I don't hope or expect to get into an accident when I leave my driveway.
I put a few $hundred into a hurricane prep kit and brush it up each year. It's worth the piece of mind knowing if stuff gets REALLY bad, I'm not stuck and miserable hoping for some pathetic government solution to come rescue me. Do any of you guys watch the news? Do you know anything about Andrew? How about Katrina? Did you keep up with what went on in Puerto Rico or were you just focused on the shiny objects in the news with the politics of it?
There's a zillion scenarios where being "prepared" makes sense.
Yes, I have walk out gear and I'm in shape. But those are extreme scenarios.
I worked on the Gulf Coast after Katrina. Every form of debris and road/tire hazard you can imagine remained for weeks (in some areas months).
Yes I have a tire patch kit (and good tires). Tire patching can only do so much.
What most of you are suffering from is called "normalcy" bias. You should look it up. "It could never happen here" are famous last words. The person who buys personal flotation devices for their home and vehicle that lives on an island seems kookoo until there's a tsunami inbound and people are offering fortunes for anything that might help them.
I'm not planning on relying on my 4Runner or it's tires as my only means/method of movement.
I'm just posing a question as to whether anyone has tried or come up with solutions that are more robust than tire patching.
Sure, I could buy a trailer and bring extra tires, but that solution seems a bit crude.
There's a reason that the industrial market has tire filling options, because their vehicles operate under very harsh conditions with lots of puncture hazards for extended periods of time. Sounds a lot like offroading to me in some aspects.
Focus people, focus. The thread can turn into an interesting debate about the philosophy of preparedness (or mania) and all sorts of alternate theories about what's the best way to achieve that, bug in, bug out, vehicle out, walk out, etc, etc.
Prepping is nothing more than an insurance policy. I buy insurance even though I don't hope or expect to get into an accident when I leave my driveway.
I put a few $hundred into a hurricane prep kit and brush it up each year. It's worth the piece of mind knowing if stuff gets REALLY bad, I'm not stuck and miserable hoping for some pathetic government solution to come rescue me. Do any of you guys watch the news? Do you know anything about Andrew? How about Katrina? Did you keep up with what went on in Puerto Rico or were you just focused on the shiny objects in the news with the politics of it?
There's a zillion scenarios where being "prepared" makes sense.
Yes, I have walk out gear and I'm in shape. But those are extreme scenarios.
I worked on the Gulf Coast after Katrina. Every form of debris and road/tire hazard you can imagine remained for weeks (in some areas months).
Yes I have a tire patch kit (and good tires). Tire patching can only do so much.
What most of you are suffering from is called "normalcy" bias. You should look it up. "It could never happen here" are famous last words. The person who buys personal flotation devices for their home and vehicle that lives on an island seems kookoo until there's a tsunami inbound and people are offering fortunes for anything that might help them.
I'm not planning on relying on my 4Runner or it's tires as my only means/method of movement.
I'm just posing a question as to whether anyone has tried or come up with solutions that are more robust than tire patching.
Sure, I could buy a trailer and bring extra tires, but that solution seems a bit crude.
There's a reason that the industrial market has tire filling options, because their vehicles operate under very harsh conditions with lots of puncture hazards for extended periods of time. Sounds a lot like offroading to me in some aspects.
e60ral
Banned
i get it, i have "preps" too at the house and in our vehicles but i don't know what you are expecting anyone to tell you about tires beyond carrying a patch and plug kit and compressor.
you can actually patch and plug some pretty gnarly damage, i've even seen a tire sewn back together with wire and stuffed with a bunch of patches and it held air in a tire plugging class i took.
i also recommended a bead breaker, you need to learn how to dismount/mount a tire to repair serious damage and spares without rims are a lot lighter to carry (steel wheels i guess would be another recommendation then because mounting tires yourself with a bead breaker tool is going to tear up your alloy wheels)
just get good tires, get road damage insurance for them if you want, and carry the tools recommended.
none of the heavy equipment or tractor solutions will work for a highway vehicle, you can't add 50lbs of foam per tire on your daily driver.
you could also see if there are any run flat tires that fit, those usually let you drive at low speed for 100+ miles
MossJenks
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So does rolling around the concrete jungles of Miami every day on solid tires. I get that part of the whole prepper thing is a mental exercise but practically do you really want to have a compromised daily driver for the unlikely "bug out" event? Maybe you want the look but do you REALLY want to be going to the grocery store and out on the highway always ready to "bug out" at a moments notice? Seems to me that a bug out trailer is infinitely more elegant. Daily drive a daily driver then when the time comes just attach the trailer.
When it comes time to evacuate from a hurricane you're just going to be sitting on I-95 or the Turnpike with everyone else. And if you manage to get a break in traffic you're going to want to be able to haul-ass, not crawl along on the shoulder at 50mph on your solid tires
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MidnightOffRoad
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I've got it. I can mount and dismount tires in a garage (obviously I can't balance without a machine) but I've done it on truck tires (numerous times). The hardest part would be getting the tire to seat without a homemade blow canister. You can use the old flame seat technique with some carb cleaner or other accelerant, but it's a bit dangerous. To make matters worse, it's not like MOST of the air sources available to take along with the rig are going to be favorable either.
In a pinch, one could probably make due and figure it out, but swapping the tires isn't the problem, it's getting them to seat and inflate which would be the most challenging part.
taylorbeach
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Or people on bath salts
MossJenks
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People do it off road all the time. There are several possible techniques. Isn't "in a pinch" exactly what we're discussing here?
MidnightOffRoad
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Hence my question about a "kit" and not using solid tires.
You guys keep meandering off. I never said hurricane evac was my only goal.
I'm simply asking a question (which the basic response is, no kit or method exists that anyone knows of) if someone has explored a kit that could convert the tires to solid core in a pinch. So if one were say, hundreds of miles from help/civilization/tire replacement and had already run out of viable patching solutions, would there be a compact/canned kit that could fill the tires (as a medium term solution which might require longer time till new replacement tires can be acquired).
I'm not advocating driving around on solid core tires. I'm asking if anyone's considered something more robust than tire patches or run flats, OTHER than simply dragging around a replacement set of tires.
Consider a sidewall puncture, which virtually NO patch or plug kit is going to remedy and you're either far away from help or any typical tire store/help is shuttered and you still need to keep going.
Rather than lug around replacement tires or spend time looking for a set to steal or salvage, wouldn't it be a great solution if you could have a compressed/canned inflation medium in your rig that you could simply fill up the damaged tire to keep you going (for an extended period of time) till you could figure things out?
MidnightOffRoad
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Indeed, what we're discussing is CURRENT and typical solutions. What I'm asking about is a different solution.
The whole replace the tire solution requires having the space (and weight) capacity to haul around the replacement tire (or scavenge to find a suitable replacement).
What I'm asking about is a solution that would simply allow you to foam fill a heavily damaged tire which could allow you to limp along for an extended amount of time until you find a different tire to swap.
MossJenks
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Better yet, how about a magic wand that you can just wave and fix everything? That would be awesome!
Seriously though, no such product exists. How would you keep the foam from just spurting out of a sidewall tear? There are some foam fill products out there for industrial applications, but you fill the tire BEFORE there is damage and you give it time to cure. But these are only for industrial applications. Nobody runs this on highway vehicles because it creates balance issues and a much harsher ride.
If such a product existed it would be a top-selling accessory for Colorado off-roaders. Believe it or not you're not the first person to figure out that flats in the middle of nowhere are a PITA.
If we're wandering off topic here it's because the answer to your original question is simply "no".
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e60ral
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a high volume compressor can absolutely seat a tire, or you can get an air tank for even higher volume. i'm not sure i understand your concern, this is something people do regularly, you just need to practice.
you can patch a sidewall puncture, it's just not something you want to do for highway speeds but in an emergency situation it will still work. the example i gave above about stitching the hole closed with wire was on a sidewall.
any puncture or damage that can be filled with any of the slime products can be fixed with a plug or patch kit
you could also get split rims and tube tires and carry plenty of tubes, but modern tubeless tire is going to be more rugged and reliable
there is no magic foam that can fill a damaged tire in the field. and if you don't have the space/weight to carry a rimless spare you also don't have the space/weight to carry a giant tub of sealant and the pump adapter for it
you can patch a sidewall puncture, it's just not something you want to do for highway speeds but in an emergency situation it will still work. the example i gave above about stitching the hole closed with wire was on a sidewall.
any puncture or damage that can be filled with any of the slime products can be fixed with a plug or patch kit
you could also get split rims and tube tires and carry plenty of tubes, but modern tubeless tire is going to be more rugged and reliable
there is no magic foam that can fill a damaged tire in the field. and if you don't have the space/weight to carry a rimless spare you also don't have the space/weight to carry a giant tub of sealant and the pump adapter for it
Cymon
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My South Florida, Irma evacuation vehicle. I carry an ARB patch kit and the basic tools a recovery gear necessary to fix a tire. As others have stated I don’t know of any fill or foam that would work. The biggest issue that I and everyone else ran into is fuel. I was able to get out of state, but it was tricky. On the way back I bought extra gas cans. Because it’s 400 miles to get out of state I figure with 20 gallons of extra fuel I can at least get out of state and then some. The Gas buddy app is also super helpful. I know this isn’t really answering your questions but it’s the best I got.
I’ve also been looking into travel trailers, mainly for camping and moving my RTT to, but I think it would also be the best option/addition for this scenario as well (The hitch carrier did its job, but not the best/ideal solution).
I’ve also been looking into travel trailers, mainly for camping and moving my RTT to, but I think it would also be the best option/addition for this scenario as well (The hitch carrier did its job, but not the best/ideal solution).
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teotwaki
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I used to assume the same thing but have been proven wrong. I don't mind knowing that I have a chance of repairing a sidewall to get me out of a jam.
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Dropzone
New member
Have you ever heard of inner tubes??
They can be used in tubeless tires.
Break the bead, remove old valve stem, insert tube, thread valve stem
Sidewalls can be stapled or sewn..not easy but have seen it done
https://youtu.be/_bctAjk0MCI
teotwaki
Senior Member
OP - I would keep an eye out for these products when they grow beyond ATV sized tires
(502) 243-1601, www.tireballs.com
(502) 243-1601, www.tireballs.com
AsAkite
Member
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Walking expends too much "personal" energy and I need my 4runner to haul my survival twinkies!
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gloveflip
Junior Member
Flex Tape. 'nuff said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ci2hj7CSHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ci2hj7CSHI
