Replacing the Stock JBL Synthesis Radio & Sub-Woofer, while keeping the Stock Amp

03limited2WD

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This is how I replaced the stock JBL Sub-woofer speaker and Single Disc RDS JBL Synthesis Radio, while retaining the rest of the JBL sound system. I did not want to add any amplifiers and I did not want to run any additional wires. I plan to add a backup camera later, and possibly aux video.

This is a pretty good Bang-for-the-Buck project, as long as your stock JBL speakers are in working order. I had to replace my stock sub-woofer, but in my opinion, replacing the JBL Stock HU alone will make a huge difference in audio quality and system volume.

This is not intended as a step-by-step walk through of every aspect, just an overview of what I felt were the most important discoveries during this process.

So, when I bought my new (to me) 2003 Limited with a JBL Synthesis Single Disc RDS, there was a definitive lack of bass frequencies. It turned out that my stock JBL sub-woofer driver had completely disintegrated its own rubber surround. This original sub-woofer had spit out its last sine wave. I decided to replace not only the sub, but the head unit as well.




This is what I used: (less than $500 total)
PAC SWI-RC
PAC TATO
Scosche TA2079B
Kicker CompVR8 (CVR8) 2-Ohm DVC
JVC KW-AV61BT

<a href="http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/82995-how-access-remove-subwoofer.html">I used this link to remove the sub-woofer enclosure</a>

<a href="http://www.castulucci.com/projects/carpc/oemnaviaccess/">And this link to disassemble the dash</a>

In order to retain the steering wheel controls I purchased a PAC SWI-RC (depending on your head unit, a PAC SWI-JACK may be more appropriate) and to duplicate the digital control signals necessary to drive the stock JBL amp, a PAC TATO would also be required. These 2 PAC devices came with all the required wiring harnesses that would be needed to 100% integrate an aftermarket JVC A/V Receiver Head Unit into the stock Toyota wiring. No additional wiring harness was needed.

Before you begin, set your stock stereo at zero for all of the bass treble fader and balance controls. I turned off the JBL “Surround” option also. Turn your stereo up all the way, (that was “62” on my unit) The installation manual for the PAC TATO states to turn the stereo up to “at least ¾ volume”. I turned it up to 100% and had excellent results. Otherwise, follow the directions that come with your PAC devices.

My only other advice regarding the HU is to set the PAC SWI-RC rotary selector to the manufacturer of your aftermarket stereo, not the OEM setting. The PAC website is a little confusing and suggested that I set the SWI-RC to the Stock OEM Toyota setting and when I did, the steering wheel controls would not work with the new stereo. Once I set the SWI-RC for the aftermarket (JVC) everything worked great.

I chose the Kicker CompVR8 Sub-woofer because it was the only speaker I was willing to spend money on that would fit in the stock box and match the JBL amp. It is a Dual Voice coil (2 Ohm per coil) 8 Inch Sub-woofer, that cost less than $80.
Note that the Kicker bolt pattern does NOT match the stock box. You will need to either reuse the plastic top piece off of the stock JBL sub-woofer speaker like I did, or fabricate a shim to mount between the box and the Kicker.

The new sub-woofer was far too deep to fit, and I did have to grind away much of the plastic ribbing inside the enclosure to make room for the larger magnet. I used an electric cordless drill and a “grinding wheel” bit that I picked up at a home improvement store. Since the Kicker ended up sticking out about ½ inch more from the speaker box, I also ended up using this grinding bit to remove much of the plastic ridge that runs around the circumference of the speaker “trim panel grill”, located on the back side of the interior trim piece which fits directly over the sub-woofer once everything is back together.




I filled the cavity of the sub-woofer box with loose Poly Fiber. I used “Poly-Fill” Brand, 100% Premium Polyester Fiber Fill which I picked up a 20oz bag at a “Arts & Crafts”, “Hobby Lobby” type store for about $5. More than enough for 10 boxes. This will kill any standing waves and will tighten up the bass a bit. It is worth doing if you are already going through the trouble of taking this enclosure apart.




I found this info important to rewire the new sub: This is a picture of the 4 pin harness that is attached to the Sub enclosure and directly feeds the speaker from the 4 wires that pass through the enclosure and runs inside the box to the speaker terminals. I had to remove the connector at the speaker side and strip back to the bare wire to make my connections to the Kicker. Match the wire colors to the pin-out to identify your Left & Right Positive/Negative. This is very important. If you reverse the polarity of the voice coils you will most likely cancel out all of your bass, depending on the mix of the song. You also want all of your speakers in the truck to be “pushing” and “pulling” in sync with one another. I can only verify that this is the wiring for a 2003-2004, any other years may be different.




As mentioned earlier, I reused the round plastic “top piece” that was attached to the metal rim of the old speaker, as a spacer to give a little more clearance for the new speaker. This “top piece” has the stock bolt pattern molded into it, and I off-set the Kicker from the stock bolt pattern to get some “meat” to make my pilot holes in, and to mount the new sub-woofer to the box. I used RTV silicone sealant to fill any gaps and cover the screws. Let the RTV set for at least 24 hours before installation back into the truck. We want to seal the box against any air leaks as much as possible. After the speaker was installed in the box, I glued the stock foam pad back onto the top of the new speaker. This foam was glued to the top of the old speaker, and fits tight against the interior trim piece (which I had grinded down earlier). I wanted to minimize any rattles and keep as much of the original Toyota parts as possible.




The new Kicker speaker sounds full and well balanced with the existing JBL system. Bass is louder than what I have heard from other Synthesis systems. The Stock JBL amp has plenty of power and I can drive the system well past what the stock RDS head unit was capable of. Without clipping or distortion. The bass is deep and my 4Runner has kept its stock appearance, with the exception of the touchscreen, which is definitely an upgrade from the old unit.

The center channel speaker and the rear, upper tweeters all work, and the overall sound is far, far better than what I had before. The Stock JBL head unit does not do any justice to the stock speakers and amp. I would go so far as to surmise that by just replacing the head unit and using the PAC TATO the sound system would be of noticeably significant higher quality, so long as your existing speakers are not blown.

I have had this system in place for about 8 weeks now, with no issues.

 
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Quick update, I added a Subwoofer amplifier, and since one of the original JBL 6x9 front speakers let go, I also upgraded all 4 door speakers to 6-1/2 inch Cerwin-Vega 2-ways. HED-H4652 models.
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all 4 door speakers are driven from JVC head unit now. Pulled new speaker cables through existing weather boots in doors.
The factory amp is still hooked up to all the remaining "squawkers" in the front doors, center dash and rear pillars. But the factory amp is no longer driving the sub or the 6-1/2 inch doors. Could not find any 6x9 for the front that would fit properly. Kicker 6x9 would bolt in, but the door trim panel would not fit back over top of them. Replacing the factory 6x9 mount with the Scosche SAT69 was the only option on the fronts.
Ability to adjust sub level independently from doors is worth it.
Can also setup cross-over through JVC head unit.

Had to use Scosche SAT69 4-Runner Speaker Adapters for fronts.
Used DEI 050330 Boom Mat 6.5" Round Speaker Baffles for all 4 doors.
Rear door speakers dropped right into the existing Toyota mounts.

Sub amp located under passenger seat. Fits just right and does not interfere with the power seat movement.
Pulled power for the amp off of the 30 amp circuit for the Passenger power seat in the cabin fuse panel. fused it at 15 amps right off the existing circuit and have had no problems.:eyebrows:
 
Thank you for this write up. I used this to install a DVC 2 ohm Rockford Fosgate 8". Slid right in without issue.
 
[MENTION=93771]03limited2WD[/MENTION] When your sub speaker died what was the symptom. I had an issue with no sound at all. The HU would sync to a radio station, or appear to play a CD but no sound came out.

I replaced the Amp with one from another truck, apparently to have been working before removal. Still no show.

I ended up replacing the HU and using a bypass harness from crutchfield. So now I'm curious if with a failed sub speaker if you still had any sound?
 
[MENTION=93771]03limited2WD[/MENTION] When your sub speaker died what was the symptom. I had an issue with no sound at all. The HU would sync to a radio station, or appear to play a CD but no sound came out.

I replaced the Amp with one from another truck, apparently to have been working before removal. Still no show.

I ended up replacing the HU and using a bypass harness from crutchfield. So now I'm curious if with a failed sub speaker if you still had any sound?

That's a bug with the JBL 6 disc CD changer head units, they randomly hang up, don't put out sound, or won't let you adjust the volume. Usually just flicking the key to the start position while the truck is running will restart the head unit, but I never really figured out why
 
[MENTION=93771]03limited2WD[/MENTION] When your sub speaker died what was the symptom. I had an issue with no sound at all. The HU would sync to a radio station, or appear to play a CD but no sound came out.

I replaced the Amp with one from another truck, apparently to have been working before removal. Still no show.

I ended up replacing the HU and using a bypass harness from crutchfield. So now I'm curious if with a failed sub speaker if you still had any sound?

I had very low to zero bass output. The factory 6x9 speakers in the front doors put out a fair amount of bass on the stock head unit, so I didn't realize for a while that the subwoofer was dead. The magnet and spider assembly in the subwoofer were probably functioning fine, but due to the foam surround deterioration, the speaker was functionally dead.

Hold your ear close to the subwoofer and play some music with a decent amount of low frequencies. It should be obvious if the speaker is working. You should hear lots of bass, even on a stock system. If no bass, you will need to do some closer investigating to determine if you have a speaker issue, amplifier issue or a bug in the canbus stock HU as mentioned by BlackAck

Another benefit that goes hand in hand with an HU upgrade is turn-by-turn navigation directions via Bluetooth from a smart phone. I often listen to streaming music over LTE and use navigation at the same time. The music automatically attenuates so that voice navigation can be heard over the speakers. Its pretty slick, and something that would cost thousands as a factory option. :dancin:

Do a web search for "Rockford Fosgate P3SD2-8 8" Dual 2-Ohm Punch Series Shallow Mount Car Subwoofer". Amazon sells them for about $120. I suspect that this may be an easy direct drop-in replacement. Minimal to no grinding of the enclosure.
 
Wow clean install, well done. Are there any 400rms+ subs out there that would fit the existing space?

If you are talking about a 400 watt RMS 2-ohm dual voice coil subwoofer, in the stock Toyota enclosure, my guess is no.
A true 400watt dual voice coil 8 inch subwoofer would have a massive magnet structure.

Just my opinion.

I'm happy with the kicker I installed, and with the MBquart amp, it will rock pretty hard.

The Rockford Fosgate P3SD2-8 8" Dual 2-Ohm Shallow Mount Subwoofer looks like a good candidate for a drop-in replacement. But I would be hard pressed to find anything above 200 watt RMS without building a custom enclosure.
 
Awesome, thanks for this thread.

Mine works fine, but I'd like a little more boom.

Using stock head unit, would the kicker or rockford fosgate sound better?

Thanks again! I will be referring to this when I do the install.
 
If you are talking about a 400 watt RMS 2-ohm dual voice coil subwoofer, in the stock Toyota enclosure, my guess is no.
A true 400watt dual voice coil 8 inch subwoofer would have a massive magnet structure.

Just my opinion.

I'm happy with the kicker I installed, and with the MBquart amp, it will rock pretty hard.

The Rockford Fosgate P3SD2-8 8" Dual 2-Ohm Shallow Mount Subwoofer looks like a good candidate for a drop-in replacement. But I would be hard pressed to find anything above 200 watt RMS without building a custom enclosure.

Thx for the input! I posted that 2 years ago lol
 
Thx for the input! I posted that 2 years ago lol

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yeah I see that now, haha its good to know that the community is alive and well.
 
Awesome, thanks for this thread.

Mine works fine, but I'd like a little more boom.

Using stock head unit, would the kicker or rockford fosgate sound better?

Thanks again! I will be referring to this when I do the install.

Good luck finding the Kicker, it seems to have either been discontinued by Kicker or is just really hard to find now. The Fosgate is easy to procure by comparison.

rockfordfosgate P3SD2-8:
SPL (sound pressure level) (dB @ 1w/1m): 82
Mounting Depth (in): 2.66 in. (67.5 mm)
Cutout Diameter (in): 7.13 in. (181.0 mm)
Power Handling (Watts RMS): 150 Watts RMS (75 watt per coil)

Kicker CompVR CVR8-2:
SPL sensitivity (dB @ 1w/1m): 83.2
top-mount depth 3-15/16"
200 watts RMS (100 watts RMS per coil)

Honestly, comparing apples to apples, the Kicker should provide a little more punch due to the fact that it is of a traditional design (not a shallow mount) and has a larger magnet with more power capacity. But, the Fosgate should be easier to install, and it is only 1.5 dB less loud at RMS, which in real world terms is almost not measurable. Kicker probably gives lower frequency response, because it is not a shallow-mount speaker. You may be giving up a small amount of low end in exchange for ease of installation.

Any after-market sub would be a huge improvement over the stock OEM JBL speaker in my opinion.

As far as what speaker "sounds better", that is up to the listener. Music and sound quality, in general, are both highly subjective. Some people like booming bass that you can get from a ported box. The stock Toyota box is sealed, so you will get more accurate "tight" bass. I'll bet if you tried both Subwoofers in the same box, you wouldnt be able to tell the difference.
 
Thanks for the reply. I need to do more research to make sure swapping the sub by itself won't mess up the flow with the rest of the jbl system. Or I may just save up a little longer and replace all of the speakers (although they sound great currently).
 
Thank you for this write up. I used this to install a DVC 2 ohm Rockford Fosgate 8". Slid right in without issue.

How was the wiring on that sub? I am thinking about replacing my blown stock jbl sub with this. Some people seem to say that it is directly plug and play. Is that the case with this fosgate sub? If so, that would be awesome.
 
How was the wiring on that sub? I am thinking about replacing my blown stock jbl sub with this. Some people seem to say that it is directly plug and play. Is that the case with this fosgate sub? If so, that would be awesome.


Mostly plug and play. I only ran mine off the stock amp for a few days and wouldn't say it has a great impact unless you use an aftermarket amp. Might improve a blown one tho.

Sounds great now. Current setup: 5 ch amp., Kicker 6x9 and tweeter set (6x9 PnP the tweeter needs a mount) on 1 & 2, 8" fosgate for midbass on 3 & 4, and a 10" JL on 5. If I need the room When camping I just remove the sub box and move the 8" wires to the fifth channel and adjust the x-overs and gain. Works really well. I also put a switch on my amp's remote lead so I can turn off the amp and run whats left on the factory jbl amp without eating up a lot of power.
 
Nice write up. Im installing a pioneer hu here soon and this will help me get it right. First radio swap I've ever done, makes me a little nervous...

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Done and done. Took me a few hours but I think it looks awesome. Kept stock system just replaced HU. One day I'll pull it all out and do a complete replacement but this works for now. Only issue is the PAC SWI-RC isnt working so I gotta figure that out. Won't program keystrokes.

I used...
Pioneer AVH-X3800 HU
PAC TATO JBL harness
Metra 95-8210 installation kit
PAC SWI-RC for steering wheel buttons
Arkon Phone Mount
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