Safari snorkel on a 5th gen?
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chmura
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How about making a "slim" design complimenting the look of the 4Runner in 2015? I don't see Armor or Roof Rack manufacturers going all bulky and tank like, everything is tucked in/slim/lightweight and I believe that's what most of us are looking for. How about something like this that could be color matches to the vehicle?
Not a good design at all. Why? Because I had once instance that I literally dove into a stream deeper than I thought and a huge wave of water went over my hood, and continued flowing and up my windshield and hit the roof of my 4runner.
Looking at this snorkel since it mounted just at the windshield the wave of water would of got sucked into the inlet of the snorkel. Not good at all for a snorkel that should prevent this!
There are youtube videos explaining this situation. I just need to find the correct one.
Jim82
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Umm I personally posted nearly 40 pics... What are you referring to?
Taco04
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That snorkel is a common design of what they use in Dakar it probably breathes from the back side not the front but the shadow makes it look that way. It's designed for dusty environments not water if it does breath from the front I have to agree that is really a dumb design as it would suck in a lot of extra dirt as well.
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My bad Didn't see your post. It looks good. Can't wait to get one. How is it mounted towards the inlet? Is it secured to pillar?
jbstrd
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Safari snorkels are mounted to the fender with studs/nuts. They also mount to the A-pillar with screws. That is how the Safari snorkel mounts on my Tacoma anyway. Pretty sure it would be the same.
Jim82
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No idea how the install happened. I was happily enjoying the Vegas strip while the install was taking place. The install was conducted by the Safari engineer and ARB guys at their Renton shop.
jbstrd is my go-to-guy on matters involving my truck, his answer seems logical and better than my best guess.
It certainly is secured to my truck.
Jim82
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It is probable to deduce that they have adapted the product for use in gas vehicles... Or/and that their website is not updated with unreleased and future products... I would think either scenario seems obvious.
However, if you have specific inquires, I suggest you contact ARB or Safari. As as courtesy I am just passing along information I received when I picked up my truck.
[MENTION=100172]Jim82[/MENTION] thanks for all the pics! ... did they happen to say anything about a non-armax version that would be a bit slimmer?
This may take an [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] or [MENTION=96008]Engineer[/MENTION], but 200% more airflow? does that actually matter on a gasoline engine? diesel I can see it would amount to possibly more, or faster, compression, but on a gasoline engine there limitations based on the fuel/air ratio that the ECU and cylinders can handle.
Just trying to understand the reasoning behind it. The fit and finish is nice, but 6 inches wide is .. well... a lot on the side of the vehicle and overhanging the fender by an inch or so by the looks of it.
Okki
This may take an [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] or [MENTION=96008]Engineer[/MENTION], but 200% more airflow? does that actually matter on a gasoline engine? diesel I can see it would amount to possibly more, or faster, compression, but on a gasoline engine there limitations based on the fuel/air ratio that the ECU and cylinders can handle.
Just trying to understand the reasoning behind it. The fit and finish is nice, but 6 inches wide is .. well... a lot on the side of the vehicle and overhanging the fender by an inch or so by the looks of it.
Okki
Jono.ful
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damnit, where is that sarcasm button when you need one....
Jim82
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You're welcome. I specifically asked them if the size would be reduced, and the president of ARB said no. However, I did not get to talk to the Safari Engineer when I picked up my truck as he had already left. I suppose it's a possibility, but I only asked about the size of the ARMAX not if they have a non-ARMAX version in the works. Next time I talked to ARB president I'll ask him for the non-ARMAX version.
I think the airflow gain was only 50% on the 200 Series Land Cruiser... Haven't seen anything on a 200% airflow gain.
It does look nice, really nice; but, it is larger than others I have seen. Though, I guess I'm getting use to the size now.
LawnDart
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I think I'd have to see it in person to really come down one way or another. I do think a non-airmax version would be ideal unless you're running fender flares, otherwise damn it's wide. That said, functionally I mean it works, so who cares. I think I'd just want to be 100 percent that "yes I want to punch holes in my vehicle for this snorkel" kind of certainty.
Either way, I'm glad they're finally making one.
Jim82
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If you or anyone else is ever in Seattle, I'd be more than happy to meet up so you can look at it in person.
LawnDart
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I may take you up on that if you're around on the 18th/19th of June.
1engineer
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If I were designing it I would make it larger too. Remember you are adding length and bends to the pipe and that means pressure drop. By making it a larger diameter you will reduce the pressure drop and your engine won't, for lack of a better term, suck as hard to get the air it needs.
TheWraith
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But wouldn't that affect velocity ???
Making a larger pipe also affects pressure doesn't it not ???
Maybe I'm wrong thinking more in terms of fluids .
1engineer
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Air follows the same general rules lol. Let me explain:
First, the engine needs a volume of air right? How it gets this volume is the key. If we only had a 1/4" line 100' long supplying air to the engine it would have to suck like a, well it would really have to suck hard. Conversely if it had a 6" pipe a foot long it would be easy! With this you are increasing the length and adding some bends. To keep velocity the same and not make it suck harder you increase diameter. Small pipe and high cfm equals high velocity. Bigger pipe and high cfm equals lower velocity. Now if we could only find a way to force air in there...
Titanpat57
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We should get [MENTION=65614]Antman[/MENTION] involved here...he's an expert on sucking...
Thanks for getting these pics up there Jim
