1engineer
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Cost of living lol. Houston TX versus nowhere WV. Prices are definitely different!
School me on AT tires.
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Cost of living lol. Houston TX versus nowhere WV. Prices are definitely different!
MeefZah
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So many choices, probably many good ones. I've been using, and love, Firestone Destination A/T. They are fairly inexpensive in the hierarchy of tire prices and I find them to last a decent amount of time (50,000 mi) and offer fantastic performance on and off road.
I'm actually kind of surprised they don't get more love.
Obviously opinions vary, but I'm happy enough to keep using them.
I'm actually kind of surprised they don't get more love.
Obviously opinions vary, but I'm happy enough to keep using them.
Toffees
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Would be interesting to see wet road reviews of the KO2 by region. I live in a climate like yours (flat, large rainfall volume) and I'd guess that makes a difference in what you value from tires in "wet" conditions.
I am running these as well. I put them on after a very bad experience trying to make the Cooper AT3'S work. That's a story for another day.
I agree, with [MENTION=132734]MeefZah[/MENTION], they don't get enough love. They ride well, are very quiet, don't seem to wander all over the road. They are available in LT275/70/17's in a C load range. The other bonus is that most Firestone corporate stores have the necessary centering cone and wheel flange to properly balance the tires and rims. My local store is run by a racing enthusiast, so he actually knew how to use all the aforementioned goodies.
They are not as cool looking as some, but you should go check them out, they look good on and only weight 8lbs more than the stock tires in the 275 size. I'm sure the stock size in a p-rated version would be very close to stock weight. The LT has a deeper tread, but the P has a treadwear warranty.
Too many choices, but make sure you interview whoever is going to put them on. Read up on the tire thread here, so you can educate yourself on what you need to know. Shakey steering wheels are annoying!
MeefZah
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Heh, Medina Ohio. I used to live in Uhrichsville (New Philly). How about that.
Just to add another option. I've been running the Hankook DynaPro ATM and have been very pleased. Handles the wet NW weather very well, good in snow (though I have some Blizzaks for winter) and had done great in light overlanding and sand/mud. Don't know how they hold up long term but over the first 10k miles I've been happy.
FrontRange4Runner
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It's mostly a personal choice and depends on your needs. If you are Towing a bunch or doing more moderate off road stuff, then the stronger construction of the LT tire will benefit you. If you are commuting with little towing or mild off road like forest service roads, then the P rated tire will be less expensive and much more comfortable. It really just depends on your own personal use of the vehicle - there is nothing set in stone about when to move up to a LT tire.
UPDATE: 09/06/2016
So I had planned to get the tires done this weekend, but was not available until Sunday and Discount Tire was closed both Sunday and Monday. Kept researching and discovered that the AT/3 Cooper is made in several different versions for specific retailers.
Found out that Pep Boys has a version the "Cooper Adventurer A/T" which happened to qualify for their "Buy 3, Get 1 Free" sale... which lowered the price of the stock 265/70-17 to $108/tire. This still qualifies for the $70 mail in rebate from Cooper as well and the sale runs through the end of the week. I can't find any prices close to this...
Only other interesting deal is from NTB, their version of the Discoverer AT/3 is the RTX, they have a stock size LT/E-Rated with a "buy 2, get 2 free," "$100 instant discount," and the $70 mail in rebate... so 4 tires for just under $100... only thing I found is that it's only rated to 112mph.
Scheduled to have the "Adventurer A/T" installed today at 4 pm will report back once they are on.
So I had planned to get the tires done this weekend, but was not available until Sunday and Discount Tire was closed both Sunday and Monday. Kept researching and discovered that the AT/3 Cooper is made in several different versions for specific retailers.
Found out that Pep Boys has a version the "Cooper Adventurer A/T" which happened to qualify for their "Buy 3, Get 1 Free" sale... which lowered the price of the stock 265/70-17 to $108/tire. This still qualifies for the $70 mail in rebate from Cooper as well and the sale runs through the end of the week. I can't find any prices close to this...
Only other interesting deal is from NTB, their version of the Discoverer AT/3 is the RTX, they have a stock size LT/E-Rated with a "buy 2, get 2 free," "$100 instant discount," and the $70 mail in rebate... so 4 tires for just under $100... only thing I found is that it's only rated to 112mph.
Scheduled to have the "Adventurer A/T" installed today at 4 pm will report back once they are on.
Woz1976-MT
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Just curious why you'd be concerned with this? The 4Runner isn't capable of 112 mph (at least not without some electronics modifications). And it's nearly impossible to find an all-terrain tire in LT/Load E that has a speed rating higher than "S" (112 mph) -- most are "R" or lower.
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It appears it may be capable of 112+ mph -- I just haven't tried it in mine yet (seems someone on YouTube already tried it in a 2015). And the factory tires also carry a speed rating of "S". I'm not tire expert, but I'm willing to bet that there's a safety margin in the speed ratings, so a speed rating of *only* 112 mph shouldn't be a major concern versus a quality tire with good traction characteristics.
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I mentioned that one just because it appears to be a crazy good deal. I'm not concerned but when trying to find out what the catch was, that was the only thing I could see... a message that the tire was rated to a lower speed than my stock tire.
I'm not pursuing that deal even with it being that good, as I don't need an LT Tire in an E range, it would be overkill for my use, and would likely give a harsher ride and lower miles per gallon.
First, thanks for the great thread, I'm in the same spot and it saves starting another.
Alright, I have my 2012 T4R Trail in the shop right now getting the lift kit installed. I went with the Toytec Boss kit and asked the guy at my local suspension shop to set the front coilovers to 2.5", or whatever makes the front relatively level.
I need to pull the trigger soon on a new set of shoes too, and I have it down to three choices. Road manners, minimal road noise and decent wear characteristics are my main concerns. Like many others I don't tow and don't need or want the rougher ride, hit to MPG and extra durability of the E load rated tires. Without further ado, here are my top choices.
1. Toyo Open Country AT2 - size P285/70R17 - D=32.8", W=48 lbs. TD=13/32
Pros = Lots of positive reviews, great looks, best warranty, Cons = Most expensive choice, only load rated as a B (4 ply)
2. Falken Wildpeak AT3W - size P285/70R17 - D=32.8", W=50 lbs. TD=14/32
Pros=Least expensive option, great looks, Cons=Fewest reviews and miles to go by. Interestingly the specs on these, other than the weight, are exactly the same as the Toyos.
3. Cooper Discoverer AT 3 - Two different size choices:
285/70R17 (117 T) - D=32.8", W=45 lbs. TD=14/32
Pros=Lightest choice for a 285 size, Cons=Only load rated as a B (4 ply), less aggressive looks
LT275/70R17 (114 S) - D=32.2", W=47 lbs. TD=17/32
Pros=smallest diameter, so little or no chance of rubbing with the lift, incredible 17/32 tread depth, load rating C (6 ply), Cons=Smaller size may not look as good as the 285 size with the lift, less aggressive looks.
Anyway, if anybody has any thoughts, anecdotes or information that might help me make a decision please chime in.
Alright, I have my 2012 T4R Trail in the shop right now getting the lift kit installed. I went with the Toytec Boss kit and asked the guy at my local suspension shop to set the front coilovers to 2.5", or whatever makes the front relatively level.
I need to pull the trigger soon on a new set of shoes too, and I have it down to three choices. Road manners, minimal road noise and decent wear characteristics are my main concerns. Like many others I don't tow and don't need or want the rougher ride, hit to MPG and extra durability of the E load rated tires. Without further ado, here are my top choices.
1. Toyo Open Country AT2 - size P285/70R17 - D=32.8", W=48 lbs. TD=13/32
Pros = Lots of positive reviews, great looks, best warranty, Cons = Most expensive choice, only load rated as a B (4 ply)
2. Falken Wildpeak AT3W - size P285/70R17 - D=32.8", W=50 lbs. TD=14/32
Pros=Least expensive option, great looks, Cons=Fewest reviews and miles to go by. Interestingly the specs on these, other than the weight, are exactly the same as the Toyos.
3. Cooper Discoverer AT 3 - Two different size choices:
285/70R17 (117 T) - D=32.8", W=45 lbs. TD=14/32
Pros=Lightest choice for a 285 size, Cons=Only load rated as a B (4 ply), less aggressive looks
LT275/70R17 (114 S) - D=32.2", W=47 lbs. TD=17/32
Pros=smallest diameter, so little or no chance of rubbing with the lift, incredible 17/32 tread depth, load rating C (6 ply), Cons=Smaller size may not look as good as the 285 size with the lift, less aggressive looks.
Anyway, if anybody has any thoughts, anecdotes or information that might help me make a decision please chime in.
Woz1976-MT
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Well, I had Toyo Open Country AT (Load E) tires on my 2008 Tundra, and even with a horrible alignment issues that I -- stupidly -- didn't catch soon enough they still got over 50,000 miles on them and were definitely usable.
The Tundra was totaled in a wreck with, IRC, 54,xxx miles on it.
I though the Toyo's were very good in the winter and rain, too, and they were very quiet.
Srt4runner
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I've been following this thread very closely as well and I've been looking at the Falken Wildpeak AT3W's. It's been difficult to find a lot of reviews on it, specifically for the snow performance. It's an AT tire that also has a severe snow service rating, which sounds like a great compromise between buying a second set of dedicated snow ties. Yes I know dedicated snow tires are the best. A lot of people seem to agree that they are very quiet.
I have Firestone destination A/T's that have been great (very quiet, wear like iron, I've driven them through feet of snow). They are going on 7 years old though. I was thinking about just buying them again, but I'm wondering if the Falkens would be better in the snow due to the severe snow rating(I daily drive my 3rd gen in the winter).
The cooper AT3's also look really good, I just wonder how loud they are on the highways.
I've also been looking at the Cooper ATW's, however I can't find anywhere that has them! They are supposed to be amazing in winter conditions (severe snow rating) and look very similar to the Falkens. Here's a link. Cooper Tire & Rubber Company - Discoverer A/TW?
Not sure if any of this helped. I also live in the chicagoland area so let me know how those Adventurer A/T's are.
I have Firestone destination A/T's that have been great (very quiet, wear like iron, I've driven them through feet of snow). They are going on 7 years old though. I was thinking about just buying them again, but I'm wondering if the Falkens would be better in the snow due to the severe snow rating(I daily drive my 3rd gen in the winter).
The cooper AT3's also look really good, I just wonder how loud they are on the highways.
I've also been looking at the Cooper ATW's, however I can't find anywhere that has them! They are supposed to be amazing in winter conditions (severe snow rating) and look very similar to the Falkens. Here's a link. Cooper Tire & Rubber Company - Discoverer A/TW?
Not sure if any of this helped. I also live in the chicagoland area so let me know how those Adventurer A/T's are.
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Brandonium
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These are not the only load ratings for these two tire sizes in 275 and 285.
275/70R17 - Load rating E
285/70R17 - Load Rating E
285/70R17 - Load Rating B (Unless there is a typo on TreadDepot as they show a Load B tire yet Cooper Tires only shows C and E)
Then there is the Cooper Discovery ATP (since you mentioned aggressive looks)
285/70R17 - Load Rating E
Does not come in the 275 size.
275/70R17 - Load rating E
285/70R17 - Load Rating E
285/70R17 - Load Rating B (Unless there is a typo on TreadDepot as they show a Load B tire yet Cooper Tires only shows C and E)
Then there is the Cooper Discovery ATP (since you mentioned aggressive looks)
285/70R17 - Load Rating E
Does not come in the 275 size.
Brandonium
Member
A thread on this board that goes over the AT3 specifically mentions that there is little to no road noise for this tire.
Second Update:
So last night was a nightmare, I would recommend using Pep Boys for price match purposes only and going to a competitor that price matches. While their price was easily the best I found, the service left a lot to be desired.
1. They tried to force me to take the Road Hazard warranty over the phone in order to honor the sales price. When I advised I didn't have to on the web site they refused to back down and made me schedule online.
2. I explained I needed to pick my pregnant wife up from our town's train station 20 minutes away at 5:45 PM, they said come in at 3:45 PM and we will get you in and out. Suffice to say at 4:05 PM my 4Runner wasn't even pulled into a bay.
3. The tech was not careful and popped my center caps onto the ground, not even trying to catch them or remove them gently.
4. They broke not one but two TPMS sensors.
5. They installed Cooper "Adventurer HT" tires not the correct "Adventurer AT."
6. I did not get rung up until 7:11 PM, and they did not offer anything initially to compensate for the experience.
7. Did I mention my pregnant wife had to walk 15 minutes home in dress clothes in 102 degree heat index?
I have an e-mail into Pep Boys customer service, and hopefully someone higher up does something to fix this situation.
Beyond that the "Adventurer AT" tires are great. The look aggressive, they have been just as quiet as stock. They seemed to balance fine, as I have had it up to 60 mph with no noticeable shake in the steering wheel. They are also $108 per tire in stock size through Pep Boys which means the ATP should price match out to that at Discount Tire and buying 4 qualifies you for $70 back from Cooper. It supposed to rain today so I'll report back if I get to drive in wet conditions. Overall think this tire was the right choice!
So last night was a nightmare, I would recommend using Pep Boys for price match purposes only and going to a competitor that price matches. While their price was easily the best I found, the service left a lot to be desired.
1. They tried to force me to take the Road Hazard warranty over the phone in order to honor the sales price. When I advised I didn't have to on the web site they refused to back down and made me schedule online.
2. I explained I needed to pick my pregnant wife up from our town's train station 20 minutes away at 5:45 PM, they said come in at 3:45 PM and we will get you in and out. Suffice to say at 4:05 PM my 4Runner wasn't even pulled into a bay.
3. The tech was not careful and popped my center caps onto the ground, not even trying to catch them or remove them gently.
4. They broke not one but two TPMS sensors.
5. They installed Cooper "Adventurer HT" tires not the correct "Adventurer AT."
6. I did not get rung up until 7:11 PM, and they did not offer anything initially to compensate for the experience.
7. Did I mention my pregnant wife had to walk 15 minutes home in dress clothes in 102 degree heat index?
I have an e-mail into Pep Boys customer service, and hopefully someone higher up does something to fix this situation.
Beyond that the "Adventurer AT" tires are great. The look aggressive, they have been just as quiet as stock. They seemed to balance fine, as I have had it up to 60 mph with no noticeable shake in the steering wheel. They are also $108 per tire in stock size through Pep Boys which means the ATP should price match out to that at Discount Tire and buying 4 qualifies you for $70 back from Cooper. It supposed to rain today so I'll report back if I get to drive in wet conditions. Overall think this tire was the right choice!
I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the Cooper AT3s in the 275/70/17 size. I really like the idea of a tire that is a larger diameter than the stock size without being so big that I couldn't fit one underneath as a matching spare. Being a little smaller than a 285 will also mean I shouldn't have to do any mods to the mudflaps or fender wells either. Also, the Load C rating and 17/32 tread depth should translate to decent performance and wear characteristics.
Thanks for everyones input, I will report back next week once they are installed.
stir_fry_boy
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I'm surprised with all the talk about Coopers, BFGs, Falken, etc there is no talk of Nittos. I personally like Nitto a lot. Planning on getting a set of Ridge Grapplers (285/70/17 in C load). I like the Terra Grapplers on my TRDP, at 28k miles they still have chalk lines in them, and have tons of wear left. My brother is on his 2nd set of Terra Grapplers, the first set lasted him more than 70k miles.
I looked at the Nitto line, and they seem like great tires, but the original Terra Grappler has very limited size choices (E rated only), the G2 line gives you a choice of an E rated version or the non-E rated with much less tread depth. The Ridge Grapplers and their other popular variants are too aggressive of a tread pattern to convince me of their safety on Florida's very wet roads. I wanted to find a good balance between size, weight and tread design to minimize the hit to my MPG while getting optimum safety and still having a good balance between onroad manners and offroad ability. So, for my needs anyway, I think the Coopers AT3s really hit the sweet spot.
SteadfastZach
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I hate when people who rely on customer service for their income treat people like they couldn't care less. Anywho, did you go with the C or E rated tires?
