Secondary Air Injection Pump Failure on V8's! Important!

Codes after Bypass Install

Interesting turn of events this morning. I installed the RuTech bypass yesterday, drove about 200 miles in various trips, and woke up this morning with the engine, traction and abs lights lit up.

Going to pull the code and see what it is. Im guessing that it is closed as there is no wooshing/vacuum noise.

Reached out to RuTech as well and will update as I figure this out.
 
Hey guys. Long time browser, first time poster. I bought an 2005 4Runner around a year and a half ago, and so far it has been the best vehicle I've ever owned. About six months after I purchased it, I was vacationing in the Smoky Mountains when the CEL, VSC and TRAC idiot lights came on. I did the old disconnect the battery routine at the time and the lights went off. Since then the lights have come on and gone off several times. I know that the source of the problem is the air injection system, because I've had the codes scanned several times. (Perks of being the son of a mechanic :happy:) P-1445 Valve stuck closed. I'm finally ready to fix this problem once and for all. I've thought about replacing the parts myself, but I'm worried that it'll just happen again eventually so I'm just going to install the bypass. During a cold start, I don't hear a loud vacuuming noise or jet engine sound as people have described with this problem, and my truck doesn't go into limp mode afterwards. My only question is this: Will I need to purchase and install the two block off plates?

Sorry for the wall of text and thanks in advance for any help.
 
Jacob.....you are one of the lucky ones in the sense your valves are failing closed. This failure mode will not hear the shop vac...jet engine sound.
You do not need the plates.(as it stands right now)
The ECU will "tell" you it needs the plates if it goes into limp mode.....if no limp mode, you're good.



I put the below in the other thread we have going.....search ""Fing Pump":) and you will find it. Same questions get asked over and over.....I don't mind answering but it just clogs up the forum.

On Side note:
NO NEED FOR PLATES UNLESS VALVES STUCK OPEN.
With Bergs and A&M.....through "experience" we learned if your valves are stuck open.....even with bypass......the ECU will let you know via limp mode they are indeed stuck open. THEN you put in the plates. Until then......don't worry about them. Once you put in a bypass and they are closed they will never actuate again......you should be good FOREVER. That's why I try and "preach" to JUST DO IT. Take if from some of these guys.....its WAY easier to do bypass early than to wait til you begin having issues.
Reach me at [email protected] for questions.
 
Thanks for the quick reply Slyfox. Apologies for not searching the forums prior to asking. You could probably publish a novel about this particular problem with all of the support you've given lol. I find it odd that Toyota is willing to replace cracked dashes but not service this problem especially since its not just limited to 4Runners. Anyways, I hope I can pay it forward to someone else on the forums!
:thanks:
 
Interesting turn of events this morning. I installed the RuTech bypass yesterday, drove about 200 miles in various trips, and woke up this morning with the engine, traction and abs lights lit up.

Going to pull the code and see what it is. Im guessing that it is closed as there is no wooshing/vacuum noise.

Reached out to RuTech as well and will update as I figure this out.

What did you find out?
 
I installed Slyfox's Bypass kit and I must say that is a VERY professionally done kit Sly! Easy to follow directions and all the goods needed to get it done clean and quick! I'm at 45k miles now and never want to see this pump failure so installation of this prior to needing it is a must in my book. Great work and thank you for doing this for your fellow T4r communities!
 
So is the secondary air only on 2005 and up models? Everything I read seems to be that way. Im buying a 2004 V8. But don't see anyone with 03-04 having the issue on 4Runners.
 
that is correct. vvti started in 2005. which is when that f-ing pump came into play.

I just had mine done in our gx470. but considering buying a bypass kit anyway and putting it away for later. Seeing as I intend on driving this thing another 200k miles.
 
Interesting turn of events this morning. I installed the RuTech bypass yesterday, drove about 200 miles in various trips, and woke up this morning with the engine, traction and abs lights lit up.

Going to pull the code and see what it is. Im guessing that it is closed as there is no wooshing/vacuum noise.

Reached out to RuTech as well and will update as I figure this out.


I had this exact same thing happen to me - my crappy code scanner is showing N/A for the codes. Removed his bypass and everything was good again. I confirmed this a second time by waiting 24 hours and reinstalling - exact same issue. Emailed him a week ago - still waiting for a response...
 
I had this exact same thing happen to me - my crappy code scanner is showing N/A for the codes. Removed his bypass and everything was good again. I confirmed this a second time by waiting 24 hours and reinstalling - exact same issue. Emailed him a week ago - still waiting for a response...

What year?
 
P011B and C1201 Codes After Air Bypass Install

What did you find out?

Following up on my post. Did a bunch of searching and called RuTech. This seems to be a 2008 and up issue. RuTech is awesome and will fully refund my purchase and they are seeing a big increase in issues due to a Toyota reflash.

There is a 4 page thread at TundraSolutions that outlines the entire problem (Full Tundra Solution Thread)

The long and short of starts at Post 47, 48 & 49 on Thread:


Hello Everyone. In the past we very rarely had trouble with the P011B code. For those few rare occasions we were usually able to address what we viewed as tolerance issues by making small-custom modifications to the modules and were able to solve the problem. Those changes have made it into most of our production versions and until recently have seen a re-emergence of the problem on certain vehicles. After working with several very helpful and patient customers we do now believe that Toyota has made changes either intentionally or not that are affecting the use of a bypass module on certain vehicles and seems to mostly effect those vehicles that were covered under the extended warranty program.
The most common problem vehicle/year is the 2008 Tundra both the 4.7L and the 5.7L with a couple of the 2010-2012 having mixed issues.

For anyone that does have a P011b code that we have not been able to take care of we are dedicated to finding a work around for the monkey wrench that Toyota has thrown. If you have not contacted us with the issue please do so so to help us zero in on those affected vehicles.

OK. Been off experimenting for the last month and a half. I return bearing food for thought.

When warm weather returned to the Pacific Northwest, I started getting frequent P011B faults.
Didn’t get any faults all winter, but now they’re almost non-stop, so figured I’d try some stuff (short of removing the bypass and plates) to see what happens.

This is a 2010 Tundra 5.7L with over 100,000 miles. No “reflash” or “Smart Stop” software update on this ECU – it’s the same as the day I drove it off the lot. I retained GeorgiaDave’s version of the bypass and kept blockoff plates installed. For review, I have experienced P011B faults with the original relay version and Paul Hewitt's version as well. This seems to me to be a Tundra component tolerance issue that, in my case at least, is brought on by warmer weather.

1. Replaced the coolant temperature sensor. Easy. But no change.

2. Replaced the MAF/IAT unit. Another easy one. Still no change.

3. Electrically shielded the bypass module and wiring by inserting it within large diameter copper braid, and grounded the shield at both ends. Thinking maybe there were some stray induced signals. Ha! No change. Like it wasn’t even there.

4. Then took the original coolant temperature sensor and mounted it to the engine so I could plug in the harness connector and cold start it that way, then stop the engine after 30 seconds or so (once the correlation check had been made) and move the connector back to the real coolant temp sensor. Coolant and air temps identical or within one degree at cold start. Did this every morning for 2 weeks. Still got fault code every 2 or three days. That means my suggestion earlier in this thread about having a bypass that modifies both Air temp and Coolant temp simultaneously would most likely not work.

I noticed something during all this, though. After a code reset, so long as the Scangauge reports readiness monitors NOT READY, the fault will usually not appear. Usually, because occasionally it will. That tells me one of the readiness monitors not set is suppressing the fault. But which one?
When I check the Scangauge after I park the Tundra for the night, and it reports readiness monitors READY, I can expect the fault to appear on the next morning’s cold start. I’m not disappointed.
The Scangauge does not indicate the state of individual readiness monitors. It only reports NOT READY if any of the monitors are not ready, or READY if all the monitors are ready.
I do not own a device that indicates the state of individual readiness monitors. Right now I’m wishing I did, so I could try to pin this down.

5. Then, on a hunch, I tried this: regardless of the state of the readiness monitors, when I cold-start the engine, I would start it, let it run for 2 or 3 seconds, then turn it off and remove the key to reset any ECU logic associated with key insertion, engine start/run, etc. Then re-insert the key and restart.
No faults evident. With all readiness monitors set. No faults.
Kept this up for the past 2 weeks with no fault codes ever.

Well now, seems I’m on to something, but I have no idea exactly what - Maybe some of you smart folks out there can offer some ideas.
Good or bad, if it’s been 6 or more hours since the engine has run and I keep cold-starting the Tundra this way, I stop getting the P011B fault.


Steve

On the two occasions that I got "the lights", they came on as soon as the engine started. Sorry, I don't use the truck much during the summers. What I noticed today though, is that as soon as I turned the key to on, before cold starting, the 4lo light was flashing in addition to the usual assortment. As soon as the engine started, I had a CEL, 4lo, and that traction light (I'll have to look that one up). After clearing the codes, turning off the engine and pulling the key, I reinserted the key, and turned it to on. I got the usual assortment of lights that normally come on, but not the 4lo light.

I have a copy of TechStream. I think the I know where it tells me the status of the individual readiness monitors.

Tomorrow I will sit down and ponder how to consistently go about collecting some, hopefully, useful data for you all. How long the truck sits between (cold) starts, exactly which dash lights I'm seeing, and documenting what the readiness monitors are showing under what conditions.

16 July, AM:
After resetting the MIL yesterday, I was not expecting anything at this mornings cold start. This morning went as anticipated. I also noticed that when I turned the key on and waited a few moments, the TRAC OFF and VSC lamps go out. The reason that I mention them, is because the VSC lamp is the third one that stays on that I couldn't remember. This mornings activity was too early to fire up TS.

Tomorrow I have to take my nephew to the airport early, again too early to drag out TS. As it's the second cold start after a reset, I fully expect the ECU to set codes and tell me all about it. After returning from the airport I will be able to try to figure out if TS can provide us with any useful information. I'll reset the MILs and connect TS prior to the next cold start which I'm expecting will NOT light the dash. I will also connect it for the following cold start when I'm anticipating CEL, VSC, and 4lo lights. I'm also expecting that when I turn the key to ON that the VSC and 4lo lamps will stay on and/or flash. I'll do screenshots of what TS shows for the screens that I think are for the readiness indicators.

16 July PM:
I'm going to start with a new module before claiming that any of my shared observations are worth taking the time to scroll past. I'll note when it's installed. Meanwhile, anything I post til then, just is.

17 July AM:
No MIL indications this morning, mildly surprised.
 
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Following up on my post. Did a bunch of searching and called RuTech. This seems to be a 2008 and up issue. RuTech is awesome and will fully refund my purchase and they are seeing a big increase in issues due to a Toyota reflash.

There is a 4 page thread at TundraSolutions that outlines the entire problem (Full Tundra Solution Thread)

The long and short of starts at Post 47, 48 & 49 on Thread:

I'm curious as to waty happened in 2008+ models. Paul Hewitt who also makes these bypasss doesn't sell any for 2008+ V8's period because of the reoccurring SAIP codes.
 
I just installed Slyfox75's kit. Everything worked well. My 4runner did not have any code, but just wanted a piece of mind. Slyfox75 superb turn around time and assistance was awesome. Thank you for doing this for the 4runner community.
 
I just installed Slyfox75's kit. Everything worked well. My 4runner did not have any code, but just wanted a piece of mind. Slyfox75 superb turn around time and assistance was awesome. Thank you for doing this for the 4runner community.

I would agree with everything in horsey's post! I just installed Slyfox75's kit last week on our 06 with under 61k on it. We have only had the truck since September; no lights, but with the age I decided to hopefully nip this problem before it ever occurs!
[MENTION=8828]slyfox75[/MENTION] was extremely helpful with all of my questions and sent the kit right away!
 
Well, on the day my 07 V8 was going to hit 150,000 flawless miles, I heard a slight whooshing/wining on startup that did not go away. Its not nearly as loud as some of the videos online and did not stop. This is different than those who hear a similar noise which then stops after 10-15 seconds. I heard the slight whine my entire way to work - you can only really hear it when going less than 30mph. There were no codes thrown and no power loss. I also took the time to stop/start my truck multiple times after it was at full operating temperature.

I'm trying to diagnose what exactly it might be. If the valves were stuck open, I thought it would throw codes and go into limp mode - which might happen soon. On another note, if it was a pump issue, I thought I wouldn't have heard it when I did the hot starts.

I've reached out to SlyFox to overnight a kit. In the mean time, has anyone experienced symptoms like I've detailed - the constant slight wine? It seems most either hear the whooshing noise on startup or see thrown codes and limp mode. Mine has done neither and all I hear is a constant slight whooshing/wine noise.

Thanks,

Will
 
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07V8 - That might be your cooling fan (driven by the accessories belt)

The air pump sound is unmistakable. There will be no question.



I am still getting pics together for the thread I will post concerning the repairs I performed to clean the failed valve. I have the text all written out but no pics to support the words and I'm not sure how the thread would be recieved if I posted only text.


As far as the valve sticking.....there is only ONE electrical valve in the 4Runner V8. I cannot speak to whether or not there is a proximity sensor which tracks the state of the valve but I can safely say there is a pressure sensor that will see any exhaust pressure feeding back through the system....which is when limp mode is activated.


If the valve is stuck closed, the ECU will show you dash lights but not cut power.

If the valve is stuck open, the ECU will show you dash lights and cut power, typically within 10 miles of driving.
 
07V8 - That might be your cooling fan (driven by the accessories belt)

The air pump sound is unmistakable. There will be no question.



I am still getting pics together for the thread I will post concerning the repairs I performed to clean the failed valve. I have the text all written out but no pics to support the words and I'm not sure how the thread would be recieved if I posted only text.


As far as the valve sticking.....there is only ONE electrical valve in the 4Runner V8. I cannot speak to whether or not there is a proximity sensor which tracks the state of the valve but I can safely say there is a pressure sensor that will see any exhaust pressure feeding back through the system....which is when limp mode is activated.


If the valve is stuck closed, the ECU will show you dash lights but not cut power.

If the valve is stuck open, the ECU will show you dash lights and cut power, typically within 10 miles of driving.

Thanks, I think I've ruled the emission system out. It's a bearing or belt related rotational. I'm going to get a stethoscope and poke around.
 

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