Sell the 4R again?

[Japsfinest]

Help me spend 35K

Hey guys, I got rid of my TE in 10 and the day I got rid of it, I regretted it.
I bought an FJ to replace the 4R and sure enough I ended up back here with yet another 5th gen... Which brings me to where I am today.

We have just ordered a tiny house that is being built in Arkansas. The tiny house will weigh in at about 8-10K lbs when completed. I have towed 6000lbs with the 4runner and it was not happy so I know 8-10K is out of the question. I need to tow the tiny house back to Florida and potentially will be pulling the tiny house on various short/med trips in the coming year or so.

I need something with more towing capacity. I want to continue with the overland type of vehicle. Like many of us, I wish Toyota offered a diesel option in the US and since diesel is not an option, neither is a SC(<-off topic rant) I find myself in love with the 4runner for everything it does well but underpowered when it comes to towing capacity.

Here is my wish list:

• between 30-35K
• V8 or Diesel powerplant
• Capable of towing 8,000 lbs
• can be used as an overland vehicle when not towing
• trail capable with out being overly massive
• Prefer to stay away from American brands: ford, chevy, ram
• I am not looking for a tow rig. I am looking for an overall car that I can drive to business meetings, load my mtb on the weekends, and has the ability to tow when needed...

I am considering the following vehicles as potential replacements:

• 2008-2010 LC200- ugly as can be but badass for what it is and what it can do
• 2014+ Tundra Crewmax- great contendor but a little big for my taste
• GX460-underpowered but very 4runneresq w/V8
• 2016 Titan XD - I am sure will be outside of my price range and probably just as big as the tundra

I guess if you loved the utility of the 4runner but needed more towing power what would you get with 35K out the door-- AND GO!

 

[SKP-4R]

You listed pretty much every Japanese option, but since non of those seem to work, you're gonna have to look at something from the USA. How about a grand Cherokee? That's literally all I can think of....

 

[marshal]

Diesel at less than 35k does not exist. I don't think you can order a 4x4 crew cab 3/4 ton diesel truck with no options for less than $45

You're ****ed

 

[enapa]

No sequoia???

 

[Japsfinest]

Diesel at less than 35k does not exist. I don't think you can order a 4x4 crew cab 3/4 ton diesel truck with no options for less than $45

You're ****ed

I am ***ed!

F-250 and F-350 can be had for 25K+ for 2009 and older but those are not as polished as the Japanese options and honestly not a fan of the boxy trucks with the rubber floors.

I am not saying the options listed don't work but they are not optimal...

IF Raptors were 35K I might make an exception....

 

[gman123]

I would go with the Titan or Tundra.
I used to own a Titan Pro4X and really liked it.
Had to sell to fit at my place in California.

The 4Runner is awesome, but not the best for towing.
For me it fits my scaled down house and environment.
The Titans are nice, and like the new 2016 style.
Expect poor mpg for a full sized PU.
However, I miss the full sized captains chairs up front.

 

[Apex Overland]

get a Tundra, loved mine. it was very capable on the trail. I know you said it was too big, but after you drive it for a little bit you get used to the size and can park it anywhere.








and it tows great.

 

[Japsfinest]

No sequoia???

Sequoia is a potential... I guess I find that the LC200 is better supported in the aftermarket world...snorkel, suspension, roof racks, bumpers since it is a world platform instead of the sequoia is the only for this market....

Thanks for the input

 

[Japsfinest]

get a Tundra, loved mine. it was very capable on the trail. I know you said it was too big, but after you drive it for a little bit you get used to the size and can park it anywhere.








and it tows great.

[MENTION=115941]KneeCaps[/MENTION]

Did you find that the dble cab was adequate or did you find yourself wishing you had the crewmax?

I don't think parking and such is a big deal its really more the trails in FL are very tight since they are mostly jeep trails with hard scrub on either side. My 4runner earned some scars and can only imagine going through in a full size ...

 

[marshal]

Don't forget that the Tundra, while extremely capable and has the best motor of the entire half ton line up - is also the the thirstiest half ton truck ever. It's fuel mileage especially towing has some of the worst numbers I've ever seen

 

[the4Rdan]

[MENTION=115941]KneeCaps[/MENTION]

Did you find that the dble cab was adequate or did you find yourself wishing you had the crewmax?

I don't think parking and such is a big deal its really more the trails in FL are very tight since they are mostly jeep trails with hard scrub on either side. My 4runner earned some scars and can only imagine going through in a full size ...

Relative to the DC or CM question, I've had both and with kids (car seats), the CrewMax is a must. DC with car seats means you really have to slide front seats forward. Even if long trips with rear seat passengers, I'd recommend the CM. Rear interior space is enormous! (Not complaining!)

 

[4RunnerAU]

Hey guys, I got rid of my TE in 10 and the day I got rid of it, I regretted it.
I bought an FJ to replace the 4R and sure enough I ended up back here with yet another 5th gen... Which brings me to where I am today.

We have just ordered a tiny house that is being built in Arkansas. The tiny house will weigh in at about 8-10K lbs when completed. I have towed 6000lbs with the 4runner and it was not happy so I know 8-10K is out of the question. I need to tow the tiny house back to Florida and potentially will be pulling the tiny house on various short/med trips in the coming year or so.

I need something with more towing capacity. I want to continue with the overland type of vehicle. Like many of us, I wish Toyota offered a diesel option in the US and since diesel is not an option, neither is a SC(<-off topic rant) I find myself in love with the 4runner for everything it does well but underpowered when it comes to towing capacity.

Here is my wish list:

• between 30-35K
• V8 or Diesel powerplant
• Capable of towing 8,000 lbs
• can be used as an overland vehicle when not towing
• trail capable with out being overly massive
• Prefer to stay away from American brands: ford, chevy, ram
• I am not looking for a tow rig. I am looking for an overall car that I can drive to business meetings, load my mtb on the weekends, and has the ability to tow when needed...

I am considering the following vehicles as potential replacements:

• 2008-2010 LC200- ugly as can be but badass for what it is and what it can do
• 2014+ Tundra Crewmax- great contendor but a little big for my taste
• GX460-underpowered but very 4runneresq w/V8
• 2016 Titan XD - I am sure will be outside of my price range and probably just as big as the tundra

I guess if you loved the utility of the 4runner but needed more towing power what would you get with 35K out the door-- AND GO!

First - read the first sentence of your OP and think about that long and hard. Keep the 4Runner and buy an older vehicle that will be dedicated solely to towing. Get an older 2WD single cab V8 Silverado for 10k.

 

[CookieRoe]

how about a grand cherokee?

lol.

 

[DAGNABIT]

Hands down get the Tundra! I miss mine... just not the gas bill. The 5.7 is a monster

 

[Bevo]

8-10K pounds is no joke, and probably more than any of the SUVs you listed can comfortably tow. That is even at the upper end of what some 1/2 ton pickups should pull especially over a long distance.

I think buying a 3/4 ton truck or making other arrangements to tow your house is probably your best bet.

 

[Apex Overland]

[MENTION=115941]KneeCaps[/MENTION]

Did you find that the dble cab was adequate or did you find yourself wishing you had the crewmax?

I don't think parking and such is a big deal its really more the trails in FL are very tight since they are mostly jeep trails with hard scrub on either side. My 4runner earned some scars and can only imagine going through in a full size ...

I didn't have a problem with the double cab. My daughters car set fit fine. And I could put passengers back there pretty comfortably. BUT a lot of times I wish I got the crew max. I bought the double cab for the bed length, but didn't use the bed as much as I thought I would. If I were to buy a tundra again I would get the crew max. Lifted with 35's and no re-gear I was getting 15-17mpg. If I towed the boat or the race car 13-14mpg. all in how you drive it. If I played around in it my average went down to 11mpg Dogging it out.
I traded it for the 4Runner because it's more trail size friendly. But if you NEED a truck to haul, you NEED a truck. Someone else mentioned, why not just by a cheap old truck to haul when you need it?

 

[nb rob]

I had a titan, and I spent most of my free time chasing leaks. But they're well documented on the forums, and a good amount of support. And titans of my era (pre XD) were american made.... which I don't think that means what it used to.

I'd never buy one again. The fit and finish was garbage, The front diff was an expensive, weak piece of junk, and everything went through seals constantly, front diff, transfer case, rear diff. Pinion seals, axle seals, at least one expensive item leaking continuously. Every time I took it barely offroad, I was rewarded with a colorful, smelly puddle in my driveway the next day. The engine was beautiful though, and it could produce an amazing amount of power. Is seemed as though the drivetrain was 'designed' by accountants with a dana catalog.

If I were in your position, I'd rent or acquire a diesel that is also prepared for stopping 10000 lbs. I'm not so sure you can have the best of both worlds.

 

[4RnR Grl]

Keep the 4R and get yourself a cheap diesel to haul. One can be had for under 20K. Beware of old domestic diesel maintenance however.... it's not cheap (and those heavy Fords go through front brakes fast). I went down that road with a 2001 Excursion Diesel 7.3. I needed to the room to haul my dogs to shows. I learned. I reduced my number of dogs and now have a 4Runner. Happy and not broke. :biggrin1:

 

[Japsfinest]

A lot of great ideas here. I appreciate the input.

I toyed around with the idea of renting a truck for the initial transport but understanding that I will move it several times makes me think of just taking the plunge up front. rather than spending on the rental and then still end up buying a truck.

The tundra CM seams to be the popular choice thus far... 13 MPG city does not sound fun at all. I have a buddy with a Sequoia (5.7) that SCed it and says that he is now getting better MPG since he is not constantly hammering on the throttle to get it to move. I guess if the power came on quicker you may not need to open it up as often...

Any thoughts on the LC200?