So has anyone ditched the cartrige engine oil filter for a canister?

[1engineer]

the only reason for this type toyota PITA filter is recycling of the filter.

this type is much better to reduce pollution and aids in proper disposal.

spin on filters all vary in quality. I have other vehicles with screw on filters and I also cut them open to inspect , media on the toyota filters is the same as the screw on's that I use .

If you have a vehicle with a screw on filter use the Wix XP series filters. synthetic media and very strong and full flow over 15K miles. made for use with long mile synthetic oil changes.

toyota filters more spillage IMO... and will the oil jockey replace those O rings or even the filter media ???

No. Cartridge filters can typically handle higher pressure and higher flows and have more filter media. Recycling is a myth that you are perpetuating. Both are filled with oil so both would be considered a hazardous waste. You can also recycle both of them.

Cutting your filter open is also another myth. Typically the particles that cause the most damage are too small to see with the naked eye. If you see shavings the damage is already done. Also the filter media is around 15- 40 micron. You cannot see nor judge the difference between 40 micron and 80 micron so you cannot visually determine a "good" or a "terrible" filter.

Wix filters are not so good. In fact the machines used to manufacture the Wix filters use a different brand filter called Pall. Wix couldn't afford the downtime if they used their own filters.

 

[catrains]

No. Cartridge filters can typically handle higher pressure and higher flows and have more filter media. Recycling is a myth that you are perpetuating. Both are filled with oil so both would be considered a hazardous waste. You can also recycle both of them.

Cutting your filter open is also another myth. Typically the particles that cause the most damage are too small to see with the naked eye. If you see shavings the damage is already done. Also the filter media is around 15- 40 micron. You cannot see nor judge the difference between 40 micron and 80 micron so you cannot visually determine a "good" or a "terrible" filter.

Wix filters are not so good. In fact the machines used to manufacture the Wix filters use a different brand filter called Pall. Wix couldn't afford the downtime if they used their own filters.

I do disagree with all your comments on this topic. also on your wix specifications all false .

look here http://parts.olathetoyota.com/tundra-oil-filter-comparison
in my toyota I use toyota filters .. not much diff to the wix filter for toyota.

I cut open the filters to see what is being caught NO I do not measure the particle size LOL...

 

[1engineer]

I do disagree with all your comments on this topic. also on your wix specifications all false .

look here Oil Filter Comparison - Tundra OEM Filter vs Fram vs Wix
in my toyota I use toyota filters .. not much diff to the wix filter for toyota.

I cut open the filters to see what is being caught NO I do not measure the particle size LOL...

You can disagree all you want lol because it won't change the facts. You cannot visually "see" the particlea that are damaging your engine. They are simply too small to be seen qith the naked eye.

Haha I read your link. No performance data? Without that you might as well juat buy it based on paint color.

Do me a favor.... google Pall or Schroder or a filter of decent quality. There you will learn about filtration. The truth is automotive engines do not need exceptional filtration because of the light duty cycles. With that said i use genuine Toyota filters because, while they did not build their filters they are built to their exact specifications.

But hey, I'm just a guy on the internet. It's not like I have been doing design and speccing high pressure hydraulic systems for almost 30 years. Do what you think is best. It's probably better than 90% of the owners.

 

[ben550]

With that said i use genuine Toyota filters because, while they did not build their filters they are built to their exact specifications.

You are such a small-minded individual using only OEM filters. Don't you know the engineers at Toyota designed the OEM filters to allow certain particles to remain in circulation therefore keeping your 4Runner a regular VIP member of your local dealership service center... I bet you stick with the recommended oil viscosity in the manual too...

 

[catrains]

I just the last hour replaced the engine oil on my non toyota truck 170K miles. 9K miles on the oil change/filter used mobil synthetic 5-30wt. wix filter

used 1/2 qt over the 9K miles oil looked perfect a slightly darker color than new , no sludge or other crap. also oil pressure 40-50 psi hot/cold still runs smooth and quiet.

I am not trashing toyota filter , I just would like the simple cartridge type.

rather than hope that the oil jockey did replace it [filter media]

I am NO toyota expert but what little I did find is toyota has engine mounted bypass for the engine oil .. and drain back valves...

many oil filter products used , do have poor quality on these parts in the cartridge type filters . the wix filters I use do have really good guts in the filter cutting open the filters reveals all this .

since toyota for some reason [cost] does not have an oil pressure device the reads the pressure it is only a switch a switch, that will turn on when its toooo late...

severe off roading at steep grades can cause the oil pump not to suck ,,another mod LOL...

 

[arthurm]

So, getting back on track here...

Has anyone switched over to the adapter+remote setup?

Also, using the remote setup, does the oil remaining in the lines drain out the sump during an oil change?

 

[(none)]

So, getting back on track here...

Has anyone switched over to the adapter+remote setup?

Also, using the remote setup, does the oil remaining in the lines drain out the sump during an oil change?

Not worth the hassle and potential for leaks. Good luck though, post if you find anything.

 

[flyrv9]

It's almost time for a chip detector thread!

 

[swampdodo]

Old thread...but...

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/off-topic/261153-cartridge-filter-adapter.html

 

[DesertCanyons]

Remote oil filter install

Old thread...but...

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/off-topic/261153-cartridge-filter-adapter.html

Yes, I made this swap. The Baxter Performance adapter is a fairly simple machined aluminum block with fittings to adapt either a spin on filter below the OEM canister location or to run AN-10 hose lines to a remote filter location in a more convenient location.

I ran the later remote filter location. Building my own AN-10 hoses was a lot of work and required a sturdy vise and some special hose grips for the vice. One hose leaked right away at one of my fittings. I replaced both hoses with manufactured hoses that I now believe won't leak. If the hoses leak badly out on the road you won't be able to fix them in the field. This is one risk of the remote filter.

In hindsight I would have bought the adapter that places the spin on filter below the engine. The RCI skid plates I have, and maybe the OEM skid plate, have cover plates that remove easily for accessing the filter. It's easy enough to do and there's less spillage with a spin-on filter.

As far as knowing if the oil change tech changed your canister filter, with the Toyota dealers you can always tell because they over-torque your skid plate back on with an impact wrench so you can't get the nuts off. Thanks Toyota "service". :mad2:

 

[LTDBLKTRD]

Just when i thought i could contribute a bit to this thread, i see the bp adapter... found t on lce though
https://www.lceperformance.com/Spin-O-Oil-Adapter-for-1GR-4-0L-V6-Powered-Toyotas-p/1093052.htm

 

[unsub1]

With the help of DesertCanyons, I got my BP adapter and everything gathered together a while back, not going the remote route. Just did a road trip where I did lots of mountain driving, a little offroading, and put on 7500 miles so I think this is the week where I pull of the skid one more time and get this thing installed and oil changed. I'll let you all know how it goes but it seems so straight forward.

 

[HighRoll3r]

Just when i thought i could contribute a bit to this thread, i see the bp adapter... found t on lce though
https://www.lceperformance.com/Spin-O-Oil-Adapter-for-1GR-4-0L-V6-Powered-Toyotas-p/1093052.htm

Wow this looks super tempting! Would prefer somebody else puts it through its paces first though. I don't feel confident being the guinea pig for things like this lol.

 

[rudeinc]

Yes, I made this swap. The Baxter Performance adapter is a fairly simple machined aluminum block with fittings to adapt either a spin on filter below the OEM canister location or to run AN-10 hose lines to a remote filter location in a more convenient location.

I ran the later remote filter location. Building my own AN-10 hoses was a lot of work and required a sturdy vise and some special hose grips for the vice. One hose leaked right away at one of my fittings. I replaced both hoses with manufactured hoses that I now believe won't leak. If the hoses leak badly out on the road you won't be able to fix them in the field. This is one risk of the remote filter.

In hindsight I would have bought the adapter that places the spin on filter below the engine. The RCI skid plates I have, and maybe the OEM skid plate, have cover plates that remove easily for accessing the filter. It's easy enough to do and there's less spillage with a spin-on filter.

As far as knowing if the oil change tech changed your canister filter, with the Toyota dealers you can always tell because they over-torque your skid plate back on with an impact wrench so you can't get the nuts off. Thanks Toyota "service". :mad2:

Do you have any pics of your setup you could share? Also did you use Baxter's Inverted oil filter mount or did you go with another manufacture for that? You mentioned too that you went with a manufactured hose. Would this be somewhat equivalent to "supply houses" that custom make hydraulic hoses? I've got a Tractor Supply near me that can make high pressure hoses with any size ends that I think would be more than adequate for this type of conversion. Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks....Mark

 

[arthurm]

rudeinc: I used a local hose shop to replace the oil lines on my old LR Defender - which were at risk of bursting from a design flaw.

The hoses were for very much higher hydraulic pressure so it was overkill. But the cost was very cheap. I would have no reservation about doing the same for a remote setup.

 

[rudeinc]

rudeinc: I used a local hose shop to replace the oil lines on my old LR Defender - which were at risk of bursting from a design flaw.

The hoses were for very much higher hydraulic pressure so it was overkill. But the cost was very cheap. I would have no reservation about doing the same for a remote setup.

That's perfect. Thanks your input!

 

[L-BAR]

Damn. Finally found something. Ordered the spin on instantly. When I was in wheel chair and walkers and at everybody’s mercy the Toyota place and the after market places DID NOT CHANGE the damn filter. Brought me coffee, water, a donut, talked getting a van perhaps. Be easier than a slightly raised 2010 4Runner to get into ya know! Just drained oil $95 bill for oil and no filter, stripped bolt head, 1.5 hour wait. You can shove those warranties also as maintenance just flat don’t taken care of an interested an astute owner. I have the Shrockworks skid plate and I have a Motovalve on the drain plug. One trip under and out. When you get handicap you need things. Out of chair now days.

 

[jimmied]

As far as knowing if the oil change tech changed your canister filter, with the Toyota dealers you can always tell because they over-torque your skid plate back on with an impact wrench so you can't get the nuts off. Thanks Toyota "service". :mad2:

Exactly. Bought CPO, changed oil almost immediately only to find 2 over torqued bolts which snapped instantly. Rediculous.

 

[TX912]

that sucks. two excellent anecdotes that further reinforce my distrust of dealer service. will always change my oil thankyouverymuch - it may not save any money - but its definitely faster and i use the proper torque!

 

[Bmorefj40]

About 2 years ago, I swapped out the factory oil filter for the Baxter adapter with remote mount( can’t remember the brand off the top of my head) and a fumoto valve. I bought hoses off of eBay and the whole install was pretty painless. Only fab was a bent piece of metal bolted to the factory holes to hold the remote mount on the upper driver side of the engine compartment. And the other piece was modification (cutting baffles) on the oem skid plate to fit over Baxter adapter. Last oil change was about 15 minutes. (30 if you include cleanup and dropping off the used oil for recycling). Only wish is that I did it the day I bought the truck. Truck has about 90,000 miles and hasn’t exploded yet.