Sonoran Steel, Metal Tech, Toytech Upper/Lower Rear Links

Rock_Rat

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Getting ready to upgrade my entire rear suspension and wondering the pros and cons of the Upper and Lower Links from the various fabricators out there.

Seems they all run about the same price and all use a similar DOM thickness, but the major difference is in the joints and bushings. And some uppers are also adjustable.

  • SS uses OEM joints and bushings which I'm fond of. Recommend staying OEM with uppers
  • Metal Tech uses the currie johnny's with zerks. Lowers are offset and uppers also have johnny joints and are adjustable.
  • Toytech carries the Rokman Pro series with adjustable lowers and adjustable uppers. Spendy $$ for the uppers.

All have a great sales pitch...

I'm looking for recommendations from those who have any of these. I value your inputs. Would love to go Metal Tech because they're local but...
 
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Definitely a good topic to discuss. It mostly depends on what you plan to accomplish with these links.

You really don't need adjustable length on the lower unless you are getting pretty intense with your rear suspension setup. Stay away from arms that are adjustable on both ends, you will hate driving your truck.

Rockmen's bushings really are the next best thing to OEM bushings in terms of NVH while still having far superior mobility. They blow normal poly bushings out of the water.

For myself (occasional DD, usually highway to the trails) the goal is definitely retaining a decent amount of NVH protection while gaining as much joint articulation as possible and having the ability to correct the pinion angle. On my original 4runner, I built a set of adjustable upper arms with Johnny Joints and Poly bushings (pretty much what metal tech has) and there was a noticeable increase in vibrations reaching the cabin.

My ideal is Rockmen trail series lowers (bushing on both ends) and their pro-series style for the uppers for the pinion adjustability. I have talked with them about making pro-series upper in the past but they didn't seem very interested in doing that... So since that isn't really an option, I would go with metal tech uppers (still adjustable) and the rockmen trail series lowers.
 
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My brother has the metal tech arms on his 4th gen. They are very high quality and are very beefy. He has no noticeable change in drivabilty at all.
 
I was looking into this since I had my axle out for the swap. Both sets of control arms are rusty & the bushings are shot. After researching I decided that I didn't need adjustable arms & Toyota bushings are the best. I was gonna get the SS lowers & new OEM uppers but I found a mint used set of OEM upper & lowers with perfect bushings from out west for $60. :reddance: I saved myself hundreds of dollars. So thats that! :D

I still need to paint/rust proof them before they go on.
 
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Timely post, I just ordered new lowers from Steve at SS earlier this week as well as replacement bushings for the uppers. Waiting on them to arrive currently and will report back after arrival/install.
 
Timely post, I just ordered new lowers from Steve at SS earlier this week as well as replacement bushings for the uppers. Waiting on them to arrive currently and will report back after arrival/install.

:iagree: The mild build I started has takin a turn, interested in your findings.
 
  • SS uses OEM joints and bushings which I'm fond of. Recommend staying OEM with uppers
  • Metal Tech uses the currie johnny's with zerks. Lowers are offset and uppers also have johnny joints and are adjustable.
  • Toytech carries the Rokman Pro series with adjustable lowers and adjustable uppers. Spendy $$ for the uppers.
I don't have any of those, but I'll contribute my opinion because I was one of the pioneers of 3rd gen modified rear lower control arms (RLCA's) back in about 2002. I might have been the first to catastrophically destroy my weak stock RLCA's on the trail. It's easy to bend the stock arms on rocks or ledges. So I'm a huge fan of upgrading RLCA's so the tube is a lot stronger than stock and potentially can also improve articulation.

First, the basics: SS has a pic on his web site comparing the stock tube thickness. If you're going off-road, you really should upgrade to anything that's about 1/4" thick wall tubing and roughly 1.5" diameter or so. You won't bend those.

I agree with the goal of having at least one rubber or poly bushing at one or both ends of any of the rear control arms. With the suspension design being a 5 link (4 links plus panhard), there are massive forces fighting between all the links with compression and tension in all of them, not to mention they still have to deal with rotation.

It's incredibly stupid to replace both ends of upper and lower links and maybe even the panhard with all "rod ends" / heims or Johnny Joints or any other joint that allows rotation but is otherwise rigid. If you have a ton of rod ends back there, you are guaranteed to "lock up" your rear end so it won't articulate, plus you'll likely break some bolts for those links, which a friend has done, plus you'll feel and hear a lot more vibations and noises. You can't assume that more rod ends equals more articulation -- that only works if you have something like a double triangulated 4-link or 3 link.

Many years ago I wheeled with Steve at Sonoran Steel. In the past I have disagreed with some of his conclusions, but in this case I agree with what he says on his web site about don't mess with the upper links - the stock upper links work great as is and it's very tight to try to adjust the length there anyway. There's very little motivation to do anything with the uppers. I also agree that it's not a bad thing to stick with rubber on both ends of the lower links, although I still think it can be a good thing to have only one end of the lower links with a high quality joint that allows good rotation.

What I don't understand about some of the new RLCA products is that the Currie Johnny Joint has very little room around it within the Toyota brackets for it to rotate much. It'll hit the side of the brackets pretty quickly because the joint itself is so wide. So then you're not fully utilizing the joint's ability to rotate and you might just be subtracting from the advantage of the flex of rubber joints at both ends.

I think it's a small advantage to being able to slightly adjust the length of either RLCA rather than just a rigid tube between rubber bushings at both ends. Yes, this can be useful if you want to make minor fixes to "yaw" or the pinion angle.

One of my early attempts at custom RLCA's used the stock Toyota rubber bushing on the axle end, a nice strong 1/4" wall 1.5" diameter DOM tube in the middle, and a 3/4" heim rod end at the other end. I had to drill out the bolt hole slightly larger from M14 to 5/8" to accommodate the 3/4" heim at the frame end. Unfortunately the 3/4" rod ends did not last long at all due to rapid wear. I tried a few different designs of 3/4" heims. I frequently struggled with squeaks although I tried to grease them and use heim boots on the sides to help grease them. I eventually gave up on those.

What I ultimately ended up with was to re-use those links with new threaded bungs welded in the one end of those tubes with the 7/8" Summit Machine Jimmy Joints. Those are basically huge heims that are rebuildable and greasable. One important point is they have much more surface area than any 3/4" heims. so one set of Jimmy Joints has lasted me almost 10 years and counting. I recently examined them and have no issues with them. I had to use medium strength threadlock on the ring in the side of that joint, but otherwise, I have no complaints about using them. I chose Jimmy Joints over Currie Johnny Joints because they are much narrower so they fit in the Toyota frame bracket with lots of room for rotation.

I utilized Spidertrax to assemble my original custom solution, although that's because they build control arms to your specs and they have a machine shop that can deal with the press-fit Toyota rubber bushings on one end. They don't have 4Runner products for this and they aren't familiar with my latest revision of these.

Sorry for the book. Yes, mine is a custom solution, but now you should have more knowledge to make a wiser choice for yours.
 
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I can't speak to the uppers as I am still running stock uppers. But I did pick up a set of Rokmen's from Toytec a couple weeks ago while on a trip in Colorado. I will say I am incredibly happy with the build quality and the ride of the bushings.

I was more worried about beef than adjustable, and I was not let down at all. As others have said, adjustable lowers are overkill for 99.9% of people.
 
Upper and Lower Control Arm Decisions

I'm really appreciative about the quality inputs received on this thread. This is what makes our Forum the best. Unfortunately, threads like these end up getting lost until someone enters the magic search criteria, often times by happenstance. I've seen this happen with so many good threads out there. Wish there was a way to make a thread like this a Sticky either in the 3rd Gen FAQ, Tutorials, & Documentation Reference or even the 3rd Gen Informational Threads. It would be a way for everyone to build on it with first hand experience and include the various vendors inputs.

Title it something like: How to Choose Upper and Lower Rear Control Arms

Decisions such as upgrading rear suspension is quite an important decision for many, depending on the type of off-roading they do and the terrain they plan on spending most of their time on. For myself, I only want to do this once and do it right.

Before I make any immediate purchases, I'll be watching this thread and, like a human sponge, will absorb all of the information I can get.

Thanks to all for your timely inputs. [MENTION=57546]4-Ripcord[/MENTION] and [MENTION=165429]marmot[/MENTION] great info. I think I've read your posts three times now.
 
I'm interested in this too. I'm slowly going through my truck and replacing all the bushings and what not. I think a good option for me is OE Toyota bushings, but a thicker wall arm and maybe a tad shorter to correct the pinion angle. I've learned simpler is better when it comes to things like these it seems. Less points of failure in two rubber bushings and some thick steel versus whatever type of joints.
 
I am now post install and test drive with Sonoran Steel's rear lower links and replacement rear upper bushings.
--easy job, did this in my garage with all 4 tires on the ground, one link at a time
--I cleaned up the upper links and repainted
--both my upper and lower link bushings looked good but they were pretty soft
--needed a ratchet strap to get the lowers back in
--initial thoughts with driving around town (no wheeling yet), back end is noticeably tighter
--it is worth noting last December I installed some other gear from Steve to include an adjustable panhard bar, Tokico shocks and OME 861s...
--BL, I am happy with this mod and would recommend it, if you have any questions Steve has great customer service, just call him
 

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I have the SS lower links for 10 years, still holding up great.

A few years ago I figured its probably time to replace the original uppers. I found something from Amazon, i think they were like $14 each or something... surprisingly inexpensive (complete upper, not just bushings). So far so good, time will tell how they hold up.
 
I've always liked [MENTION=52371]Gerdo[/MENTION]'s modification to the stock uppers. He welded a threaded shaft to one side and a nut onto the other. This allows the ends to rotate without resistance.

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Did Metal Tech quit making the rear UCAs for 3rd gens? I can't find them on their website.

For posterity, I talked to Metal Tech about the rear UCAs and they said they make them in very limited runs, and only occasionally. They're going to let me know next time they make a run of them, but it could be months.


Total Chaos has a kit of all four links (all adjustable, poly bushing on one end, heim on the other) and the panhard that looks good, but it's freakin $1400. I've not asked them to see if they will sell them individually, but I can't find that option anywhere.
 
Thought I'd update this thread since I installed at set of MetalTech upper links.

I was able to order a set in mid-December and received them shortly after. They are well made and they sent me a ton of stickers. I wasn't able to install them until a warm day in late January but they're in. Not really any change in NVH, but the rear end feels a little more planted. I set them 3/16" longer than OEM to correct rear pinion angle, and while I didn't notice any change in vibration, it was worth the piece of mind.

One thing to expect - the Johnny Joint is about 1/8" too wide for the frame mount, so you have to beat the snot out of the mount tabs with a hammer to get it to fit.

Other than that though, I'm really happy with them and when it comes time to replace the lowers I will probably buy from Metal Tech again.
 
Thought I'd update this thread since I installed at set of MetalTech upper links.

I was able to order a set in mid-December and received them shortly after. They are well made and they sent me a ton of stickers. I wasn't able to install them until a warm day in late January but they're in. Not really any change in NVH, but the rear end feels a little more planted. I set them 3/16" longer than OEM to correct rear pinion angle, and while I didn't notice any change in vibration, it was worth the piece of mind.

One thing to expect - the Johnny Joint is about 1/8" too wide for the frame mount, so you have to beat the snot out of the mount tabs with a hammer to get it to fit.

Other than that though, I'm really happy with them and when it comes time to replace the lowers I will probably buy from Metal Tech again.

Thanks for the follow up.
 
I don't have any of those, but I'll contribute my opinion because I was one of the pioneers of 3rd gen modified rear lower control arms (RLCA's) back in about 2002. I might have been the first to catastrophically destroy my weak stock RLCA's on the trail. It's easy to bend the stock arms on rocks or ledges. So I'm a huge fan of upgrading RLCA's so the tube is a lot stronger than stock and potentially can also improve articulation.

First, the basics: SS has a pic on his web site comparing the stock tube thickness. If you're going off-road, you really should upgrade to anything that's about 1/4" thick wall tubing and roughly 1.5" diameter or so. You won't bend those.

I agree with the goal of having at least one rubber or poly bushing at one or both ends of any of the rear control arms. With the suspension design being a 5 link (4 links plus panhard), there are massive forces fighting between all the links with compression and tension in all of them, not to mention they still have to deal with rotation.

It's incredibly stupid to replace both ends of upper and lower links and maybe even the panhard with all "rod ends" / heims or Johnny Joints or any other joint that allows rotation but is otherwise rigid. If you have a ton of rod ends back there, you are guaranteed to "lock up" your rear end so it won't articulate, plus you'll likely break some bolts for those links, which a friend has done, plus you'll feel and hear a lot more vibations and noises. You can't assume that more rod ends equals more articulation -- that only works if you have something like a double triangulated 4-link or 3 link.

Many years ago I wheeled with Steve at Sonoran Steel. In the past I have disagreed with some of his conclusions, but in this case I agree with what he says on his web site about don't mess with the upper links - the stock upper links work great as is and it's very tight to try to adjust the length there anyway. There's very little motivation to do anything with the uppers. I also agree that it's not a bad thing to stick with rubber on both ends of the lower links, although I still think it can be a good thing to have only one end of the lower links with a high quality joint that allows good rotation.

What I don't understand about some of the new RLCA products is that the Currie Johnny Joint has very little room around it within the Toyota brackets for it to rotate much. It'll hit the side of the brackets pretty quickly because the joint itself is so wide. So then you're not fully utilizing the joint's ability to rotate and you might just be subtracting from the advantage of the flex of rubber joints at both ends.

I think it's a small advantage to being able to slightly adjust the length of either RLCA rather than just a rigid tube between rubber bushings at both ends. Yes, this can be useful if you want to make minor fixes to "yaw" or the pinion angle.

One of my early attempts at custom RLCA's used the stock Toyota rubber bushing on the axle end, a nice strong 1/4" wall 1.5" diameter DOM tube in the middle, and a 3/4" heim rod end at the other end. I had to drill out the bolt hole slightly larger from M14 to 5/8" to accommodate the 3/4" heim at the frame end. Unfortunately the 3/4" rod ends did not last long at all due to rapid wear. I tried a few different designs of 3/4" heims. I frequently struggled with squeaks although I tried to grease them and use heim boots on the sides to help grease them. I eventually gave up on those.

What I ultimately ended up with was to re-use those links with new threaded bungs welded in the one end of those tubes with the 7/8" Summit Machine Jimmy Joints. Those are basically huge heims that are rebuildable and greasable. One important point is they have much more surface area than any 3/4" heims. so one set of Jimmy Joints has lasted me almost 10 years and counting. I recently examined them and have no issues with them. I had to use medium strength threadlock on the ring in the side of that joint, but otherwise, I have no complaints about using them. I chose Jimmy Joints over Currie Johnny Joints because they are much narrower so they fit in the Toyota frame bracket with lots of room for rotation.

I utilized Spidertrax to assemble my original custom solution, although that's because they build control arms to your specs and they have a machine shop that can deal with the press-fit Toyota rubber bushings on one end. They don't have 4Runner products for this and they aren't familiar with my latest revision of these.

Sorry for the book. Yes, mine is a custom solution, but now you should have more knowledge to make a wiser choice for yours.

Resurrecting this thread as I look at getting my rear axle on my KDSS model centered. Anyone have any recent experience to share with rear Upper Links specifically? I am looking at getting the RESZ Fab Upper and Lower Links which are slightly longer than stock to account for lifts (which I have). However, I am also looking into getting the [MENTION=1795]sschaefer3[/MENTION] Sonoran Steel Panhard bar (with [MENTION=28464]eimkeith[/MENTION] Panhard Correction Kit), and noticed he sells Offset Lower Links also, but as [MENTION=165429]marmot[/MENTION] mentioned above, he does say the following:

The best replacement for the upper links is re-bushing your current stock links with the replacement Strong Flex bushings we sell or new stock upper links from the dealer. The reason why is that you can not make either the lower or the upper links longer than that are, because the upper link brackets on the axle tube already clear the Panhard/trac/lateral bar cross-member by millimeters. Longer links will collide on compression causing catastrophic damage. The upper links will never get hit by rocks and the stock units side twist quite well. The small diameter solid stock will also twist like a torsion bar.

Looking for any advice or experience. My plan is to move to extended travel rear shocks and 315/70s, but I want to make sure all the geometry is correct so I don't run into issue like [MENTION=106176]wfo9[/MENTION] and others have had with driveshaft contact on skids etc.
 
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