In all honesty when I ordered those Black Rock wheels I thought I was getting 17x9's (oldfartedness kicking in). In hindsight and re-reading your first couple posts I realize I only gained 1/2" in total width on the wheels. But with the 4.5" backspace it was overall moved OUT a total of 7/8" (.875), or 1 3/4" across each axle. So visually it looks a lot wider than it did before. I can tell you on mine there is still about 1 1/4" available before the sidewall is even with the top outer edge of my flares. But I wasn't actually going for that much change. I still wanted most of my tread to be enclosed in the main fender. And just that 7/8" gained did cause me to have a rub on the left front. So after all was said and done I'm happy I only got the 8" wide wheels. Obviously your project may have different requirements. I'm just telling you my actual experience. :becky: