toybox
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07runner said:
That is REALLY exaggerating the difference.
I can get synthetic at Walmart or Costco for about $3.70/quart. And last time I checked dino oil was not that cheap, at least for a name brand.
dino $13 per change
syn $24
Diff. ~$11
Or $24/10,000miles or $240 over 100,000 miles
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07runner
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toybox said:
Price for castrol was sale price minus the rebate at pep boys. Price for the mobil 1 was at walmart. If I could get mobil 1 that cheap, I would very happy. I checked on the prices at least a couple of weeks ago. Even BJs is selling it for over $5 a quart.
Bluto
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07runner said:
Toyota also recommends all maintenance be performed by a certified Toyota Tech.
So when you tell the judge you are not a Toyota Certified Tech, the same thing will happen?
Everyone should go to the dealer every 5k and pay Toyota Techs to use only Toyota parts. :arrow:
This horse is dead.
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07runner
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Bluto said:
Now you understand why lawyers live the good life. Welcome to corporate america. Yes it is not fair, but who said life was fair anyways? At least you won't have to worry about Toyota fixing the problem, but you paid so much having them do it.
JoJoBetsy
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My take on the great oil debate is thus: Dinosaurs are dead, killed off a long time ago by a stupid little meteorite, or something; point is they are dead. Therefore, something about them was not good enough to continue their evolution forward; in other words, they were flawed. So, why put something made out of flawed dinosaur genes into my brand spankin' new and totally bitchin' 4Runner? Indeed, the very fact that I get to drive such a cool ass truck is testiment to the fact that the good genes do advance, otherwise, dinosaurs would be debating on what oil to put into their engines and we'd all be pieces of meat between their teeth.
I know, gas is made from dinosaurs too, but how many "Which gas should I use?" posts do you see take on a debate of such religious purportions as the good ol' oil one.
07, you're a bully who trumps up his wife's "corporate lawyer" status to prove some pinko conservative view of life. If you have a 4Runner, fill that bitch up with some oil and drive around with the windows down. You'll find out that most people, including Toyota's corporate, Matrix Agent like employees, actually have better things to do than to chase your dipstick around. Oh, and you'll gets some fresh air too.
"Which oil?" posts/debates are as dead as the dinosaurs.:goinposta
I know, gas is made from dinosaurs too, but how many "Which gas should I use?" posts do you see take on a debate of such religious purportions as the good ol' oil one.
07, you're a bully who trumps up his wife's "corporate lawyer" status to prove some pinko conservative view of life. If you have a 4Runner, fill that bitch up with some oil and drive around with the windows down. You'll find out that most people, including Toyota's corporate, Matrix Agent like employees, actually have better things to do than to chase your dipstick around. Oh, and you'll gets some fresh air too.
"Which oil?" posts/debates are as dead as the dinosaurs.:goinposta
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07runner
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JoJoBetsy said:
You must have gone to some really totally bitchen cool ass spankin new school. Did you even graduate? It is clear you have no clue what we are even talking about. Beauty fades but dumb is forever.
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07runner
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Thai said:Please kindly not insult other members, 07runner...and if you do so, then don't bitch to us when you get a taste of your own medicine....
As always, please follow forum rules...thanks to all.
I'm sorry but you did read that totally bitchen cool post right? I could not help my self. Insulting people is not nice and against the forum rules. I just really wonder if that person was even sober when it got posted. That post has to be read twice to get the full totally cool bitchen dinousars roamed the earth effect.
RL Lemke
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A simple Google search has yielded several sites which answer the original question. Not emotional, nor religious, just a search for an accurate answer. Please take the time to have a look.
http://www.getahelmet.com/jeeps/tech/syntheticoil/
http://www.mr2.com/TEXT/synth_oil.txt
http://theserviceadvisor.com/maintain.shtml
http://www.trawlerworld.com/qu_2000_4_04.htm
http://www.pfmmag.com/summer03/summer03oilchangeintervals.htm
http://www.getahelmet.com/jeeps/tech/syntheticoil/
http://www.mr2.com/TEXT/synth_oil.txt
http://theserviceadvisor.com/maintain.shtml
http://www.trawlerworld.com/qu_2000_4_04.htm
http://www.pfmmag.com/summer03/summer03oilchangeintervals.htm
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peter78
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Pretty decent articles. The first one was written in 1986, wow and we are still debating it.
I like one quote from one of the articles about regualr oil;
"Oil never wears out, it just gets dirty, that is why you can recycle it. Driving conditions, extreme heat and cold, as well as fuel seepage through the pistons and valves, are all factors that can cause the oil to deteriorate. This is the cheapest way to extend the life of the engine."
They are talking about changing oil early, I think that is good advice. I go further with synthetic, but I think changing it often is cheap insurance. (Well, with the price of synthetic maybe not that cheap.)
I like one quote from one of the articles about regualr oil;
"Oil never wears out, it just gets dirty, that is why you can recycle it. Driving conditions, extreme heat and cold, as well as fuel seepage through the pistons and valves, are all factors that can cause the oil to deteriorate. This is the cheapest way to extend the life of the engine."
They are talking about changing oil early, I think that is good advice. I go further with synthetic, but I think changing it often is cheap insurance. (Well, with the price of synthetic maybe not that cheap.)
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07runner
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I have a question? Who is Curt Scott[/COLOR]
Consumer reports failed to mention some pretty important things in that article that I read. Oil temp being 50 degrees cooler, burning less oil over 50,000 miles. The petro oil was allowed to thicken up alot and still get that starburst . Synthetic only did minimally, I did not know that. iIf the Curt Scott is truly a authority on this subject dam you I will have to use synthetic.
Todays engines are better then that of many years ago, but I can not ignore a crankcase difference of temperature of 50 degrees.I think if I remember correctly that petro thickened up to 128% at the time that particular grade of oil was most recent. I dont know what SM does now but the synthetic at that time was 9%. Since the oils have improved over the years, proportionatly this spread most likely remains the same today. Who is this Curt Scott and what are his credentials?
Consumer reports failed to mention some pretty important things in that article that I read. Oil temp being 50 degrees cooler, burning less oil over 50,000 miles. The petro oil was allowed to thicken up alot and still get that starburst . Synthetic only did minimally, I did not know that. iIf the Curt Scott is truly a authority on this subject dam you I will have to use synthetic.
Todays engines are better then that of many years ago, but I can not ignore a crankcase difference of temperature of 50 degrees.I think if I remember correctly that petro thickened up to 128% at the time that particular grade of oil was most recent. I dont know what SM does now but the synthetic at that time was 9%. Since the oils have improved over the years, proportionatly this spread most likely remains the same today. Who is this Curt Scott and what are his credentials?
RL Lemke
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Regardless of anecdotal evidence, the facts demonstrate the added lubrication benefits of synthetic oils. More expensive? Yes, but then, so are our 4Runners. If I drove a Kia, I would not bother with synthetics, as they are a throwaway car. The 4Runner is a keeper. A vehicle that will go the distance, and then some. Doesn
Koz
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07runner said:
The two main reasons why not much credit was given to this test was because they only used ONE brand/grade of pure synthetic (and 17 dino oils) and the vehicles (only 1 type of engine 4.3 GM V6) were not turned off, they were left idling. 90 % of engine wear is on start-up regardless of temp. Therefore this test did not simulate real world conditions for the average driver.
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07runner
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Very good point Koz, so this again brings me to the original question:
Any testing done to prove synthetics make a engine last longer than petro? A normal test to simulate the way most people drive. Cold starts, short trips, the teen that abuses the car, and towing.
This is what Consumer Reports should have done originally. Synthetic is very good stuff. If it was not so expensive everybody would use it end of discussion. I am so confused as to what to do at this point, I dont know if I am comming or going.
Any testing done to prove synthetics make a engine last longer than petro? A normal test to simulate the way most people drive. Cold starts, short trips, the teen that abuses the car, and towing.
This is what Consumer Reports should have done originally. Synthetic is very good stuff. If it was not so expensive everybody would use it end of discussion. I am so confused as to what to do at this point, I dont know if I am comming or going.
