T4R vs LC90 Interior Room

[Oak]

Hey guys I've been shopping for a 90 series land cruiser the past few weeks but finding one that is as clean as I want has been difficult. A neighbor recently bought a new T4R and from the outisde it looks like a pretty big vehicle, not much smaller than a 90.

Can anyone who has experience with both vehicles chime in on the interior room and cargo capacity of both? I know the t4r doesnt have the 3rd row seating but other than that how much smaller is it?

 

[st8rocks]

You mean 200 series LC? 90s were never sold in the US.

Or maybe you mean 80 series. I had an FJ80, tons more interior room compared to the Runner. But now I would never trade my Runner for an FJ80, even if it was a 97 with lockers. You can't beat 17 years of refinement...

 

[RCFJ]

Hey guys I've been shopping for a 90 series land cruiser the past few weeks but finding one that is as clean as I want has been difficult. A neighbor recently bought a new T4R and from the outisde it looks like a pretty big vehicle, not much smaller than a 90.

Can anyone who has experience with both vehicles chime in on the interior room and cargo capacity of both? I know the t4r doesnt have the 3rd row seating but other than that how much smaller is it?

And the 4runner does have third row seating.

 

[philsey]

I know the t4r doesnt have the 3rd row seating but other than that how much smaller is it?

Incorrect. Available on SR5 and LE.

 

[470SNC]

a land cruiser 80 will definitely have a lot more interior room than a 4runner

 

[bimrunner]

I have both. More interior room in the 80 but much less smooth to drive. As a driver I prefer my runner. As a BA wheeler, it is really really hard to beat the 80... until I figure out a way to SAS the runner. Then, I will only take the 80 where I don't want to think as hard about body damage.

 

[LandCruiser]

If you mean the 80 series, there is no comparison between the two.

-The 80 series is about as big inside as the old Tahoe.
-The 80 series comes either with a pig 4.2 or slightly less sluggish 4.5 (if it says TOYOTA on the front, you have the old engine). The engines are designed to generate lots of torque at very low RPM, which is ideal for crawling. The 4Runner's V6 is a much more powerful, but high revving engine
-the 80 series has a live axle in front and with a good lift will crawl over everything. The new 4runner can do that, too, but running a trail with a live axle vehicle is just as hard as pointing it in the right direction. The live axle means it sucks at high speed on the highway

Most 80 series have been beat to hell. I'd get the LX450.

 

[96r50]

Having owned both I'd say there's more seating room in the 4Runner but more cargo space in the 80 if you take out the 3rd row seats. I had to install some aftermarket seat rail extenders in the 80 to allow the driver's seat to travel further backwards so I had enough leg room to be comfortable while driving. In the 4Runner I don't have the seat all the way back. Legroom in the back seat of the 80 was pretty miserable, whereas the 4Runner has a lot of space back there. The cargo area in the 80 was massive without the 3rd row seats in place (mine lived in storage) whereas the 4Runner seems a bit smaller.

Mechanically, the 80 is a beast. So well (over)built and will run forever with reasonable maintenance. You can buy almost any part individually and repair things instead of buying "assemblies" and swapping them out. It was a great truck to work on, if you liked working on trucks.

When discussing driving characteristics, there's no question the 4Runner is light years ahead in power, agility, braking, steering response and most other areas. That's what a few decades of R&D will do. Having said that, I enjoyed daily driving my 80.

I bought the 4Runner because I wanted a more modern version of my old 80 series and I think the 4Runner does a pretty good job of filling that gap while adding a myriad of modern features and comforts.

-The 80 series comes either with a pig 4.2 or slightly less sluggish 4.5 (if it says TOYOTA on the front, you have the old engine). The engines are designed to generate lots of torque at very low RPM, which is ideal for crawling. The 4Runner's V6 is a much more powerful, but high revving engine

The 3FE in the 91-92 80 series was a 4.0L. The 4.5L 1FZ-FE was used in 93-97. The grille changed from TOYOTA to the sombrero in 95.

I had a 96 with the 4.5L and while it lacked in the top end and on the highway, the torque was awesome. And those inline sixes run so smooth!

 

[bimrunner]

The 3FE in the 91-92 80 series was a 4.0L. The 4.5L 1FZ-FE was used in 93-97. The grille changed from TOYOTA to the sombrero in 95.

I had a 96 with the 4.5L and while it lacked in the top end and on the highway, the torque was awesome. And those inline sixes run so smooth!

Exactly! I have a 93 with the 4.5L. Indeed it really is fine off road in whatever I want to do. Power lacks on highway at speed and going up to Tahoe... Once I'm on the 'con, not a thought to the "lack" of power. An 80 will never leave you stranded if you take half-decent care of it.

 

[LandCruiser]

The 3FE in the 91-92 80 series was a 4.0L. The 4.5L 1FZ-FE was used in 93-97. The grille changed from TOYOTA to the sombrero in 95.

I had a 96 with the 4.5L and while it lacked in the top end and on the highway, the torque was awesome. And those inline sixes run so smooth!

I always get the engine sizes of the carbureted 4's confused.

Yes, the 4.0 was the EFI

The 60 had the 4.2 carbureted 2F pig, which became the 4.0L 3FE for the Cali Cruisers with the AT's.

 

[96r50]

Exactly! I have a 93 with the 4.5L. Indeed it really is fine off road in whatever I want to do. Power lacks on highway at speed and going up to Tahoe... Once I'm on the 'con, not a thought to the "lack" of power. An 80 will never leave you stranded if you take half-decent care of it.

All this talk about the 80 series and I'm starting to want mine back... :bounce:

 

[LandCruiser]

All this talk about the 80 series and I'm starting to want mine back... :bounce:

You don't want one. Parts are getting brutally expensive.

My wife points to the fire pit in our back yard and tells me I should throw money into it.

I've regeared the rear diff and installed a locker, and after spending close to 2.5 doing all that crap (I had to do some minor T-case work), the radiator decided to shit itself.

800 for a new one, 400 for a shitty rebuild.

edit: the last radiator was a rebuild I bought for 350 and lasted a whopping 13 months.

 

[bimrunner]

You don't want one. Parts are getting brutally expensive.

My wife points to the fire pit in our back yard and tells me I should throw money into it.

I've regeared the rear diff and installed a locker, and after spending close to 2.5 doing all that crap (I had to do some minor T-case work), the radiator decided to shit itself.

800 for a new one, 400 for a shitty rebuild.

edit: the last radiator was a rebuild I bought for 350 and lasted a whopping 13 months.

The parts can add up fast but the oem ones tend to last the best. Easy to dump a few k into them... especially when it comes to the gears, hg, etc... sure are tanks though!

 

[Danimal]

I'll say, after owning an 80 series, and then putting about 1,000 miles in a rental 2014 SR5 with the family and all of our gear, the 5th gen 4Runner utilizes it's interior space better. There seems to be more leg room for 2nd row passengers, by a healthy margin.

I was already eyeing the 5th gen before that vacation, but that rental drove me to come home and sell my 80 series days later so I could buy a 5th gen. It's not JUST due to interior space and usability, but that was a factor.

Dan

 

[Oak]

Thanks for all the info guys. Yes I meant to type 80 not sure why I typed 90 twice. Must have been a long night.

Anyway I didn't know the 4R comes with third row seats because I've only ever seen trail editions. I'm looking for a vehicle to off road and camp with the family so third row is a must.

Since I have all the 80 enthusiasts attention, how would you compare a LC100 to a new SR5 with third row? The 100 series seems taller and slightly longer but not much wider.

I guess I have to go to the stealer today and see if they have a 100 in stock I can compare to a new SR5.

 

[LandCruiser]

Thanks for all the info guys. Yes I meant to type 80 not sure why I typed 90 twice. Must have been a long night.

Anyway I didn't know the 4R comes with third row seats because I've only ever seen trail editions. I'm looking for a vehicle to off road and camp with the family so third row is a must.

Since I have all the 80 enthusiasts attention, how would you compare a LC100 to a new SR5 with third row? The 100 series seems taller and slightly longer but not much wider.

I guess I have to go to the stealer today and see if they have a 100 in stock I can compare to a new SR5.

The 100 doesn't have the front live axle of the 80 (at least not in the US, there are 105's floating around the world) and is heavy for its engine, so you have to ask yourself if you want a bloated 4Runner.

 

[Oak]

The 100 doesn't have the front live axle of the 80 (at least not in the US, there are 105's floating around the world) and is heavy for its engine, so you have to ask yourself if you want a bloated 4Runner.

100's seem like pretty awesome family getaway machines but at this point I can pay $10k more to get a practically new 4R SR5. Might be a little more room but I don't know if I can justify getting a 100.

 

[bimrunner]

100's seem like pretty awesome family getaway machines but at this point I can pay $10k more to get a practically new 4R SR5. Might be a little more room but I don't know if I can justify getting a 100.

The 100 I wouldn't go for myself. The 80 is for the last live axle front. The Runner is where I go from there.

 

[drewm]

Thanks for all the info guys. Yes I meant to type 80 not sure why I typed 90 twice. Must have been a long night.

Anyway I didn't know the 4R comes with third row seats because I've only ever seen trail editions. I'm looking for a vehicle to off road and camp with the family so third row is a must.

Since I have all the 80 enthusiasts attention, how would you compare a LC100 to a new SR5 with third row? The 100 series seems taller and slightly longer but not much wider.

I guess I have to go to the stealer today and see if they have a 100 in stock I can compare to a new SR5.

Camping with the 3rd row down may be a bit tough, there's not much room left back there for gear. Also keep in mind the 3rd row was designed for small kids only. Unless you plan to fully utilize a roof rack for your gear you might want to look at something bigger like a Sequoia or Land Cruiser.

 

[Oak]

Camping with the 3rd row down may be a bit tough, there's not much room left back there for gear. Also keep in mind the 3rd row was designed for small kids only. Unless you plan to fully utilize a roof rack for your gear you might want to look at something bigger like a Sequoia or Land Cruiser.

I was at the dealer yesterday and was able to compare a LC100 to a new 4R. I was actually surprised how little extra room the LC100 had over the 4R. Yes it's wider and taller, but the difference in cargo room with the 3rd row seats up was no more than 2-3"'s. Strangely felt like the 4R also had more leg room in the 2nd row.

Even if I had a LC100 I would need to use a roof rack, so as cool as it is I can't justify the cost versus buying a brand new 4R.