TE OEM tire

[Okki]

TE OEM tire versus LMTD OEM tire

So I've started to prep for my trip to the FJ Summit in July. The main concern I have are my current 20 inch OEM rims and tires. With the budget not allowing me to get the TRD rims (PTR45-34070) and a new set of tires, I've started looking into swapping with someone for the OEM TE rims and tires.

This would be an intermediate step to the TRD's but give me more sidewall for the trails around Ouray.

So the two questions are:
1) Is the swap worth it or are the stock TE tires equally crap for easy/moderate trails compared to the LMTD rims/tires?

2) the TE rims are 7.5 and the TRD rims are 8 wide. IF I go with the TE rims and get better tires, how reusable are those going to be on the TRD's with the 0.5 inch difference in width?

Thanks for the input!

Okki

 

[phillyd2]

Honestly, for easy/moderate trails the 20" will do just fine - thinner is actually better than much wider. Your biggest issue will be the front lower body clearances with the limited since you already took care of the sides. That said - I did get a set of TE rims and new tires but from experience the 20" should get you there and back, depending on the trail.

As to the 7.5 v 8" it really does depend on which tire you plan on installing. The TRD wheels are nice but for me they are almost too nice for off road. I see that you already are so I would continue looking for a set of used TE rims. Picked mine up for $ 600 for all 4 plus 4 almost new stock rubber which I will use as spares. The nice thing about used (for me anyway) is that when I go off road and they get scratched....who cares. Not sure I would feel the same with TRD.

 

[Okki]

Honestly, for easy/moderate trails the 20" will do just fine - thinner is actually better than much wider. Your biggest issue will be the front lower body clearances with the limited since you already took care of the sides. That said - I did get a set of TE rims and new tires but from experience the 20" should get you there and back, depending on the trail.

As to the 7.5 v 8" it really does depend on which tire you plan on installing. The TRD wheels are nice but for me they are almost too nice for off road. I see that you already are so I would continue looking for a set of used TE rims. Picked mine up for $ 600 for all 4 plus 4 almost new stock rubber which I will use as spares. The nice thing about used (for me anyway) is that when I go off road and they get scratched....who cares. Not sure I would feel the same with TRD.

Thanks for the 2 cents Philly... I share the "concern" about the front overhang, but I dont have the $8K ~ $10K I eventually want to spend in mods at the moment, so I'm trying to pick and choose what I can do between now and July. especially since the play budget got used to pay bills over the past 6 months

Harper has been to Ouray (as well as Gadget and a couple others) so I was hoping if they could provide some insight as well since they have been on the trails.

Great thought though about keeping a set of TE's as beater rims...

Okki

 

[phillyd2]

Another consideration if you stay with the 20" is all the FJ guys pointing and laughing :wink2:

BTW, what did you mean by "$8K ~ $10K"? I now have a full set of TE parts at the painter and the parts totaled out around $2K. Not trying to spend your money, of course, but just wondering what you meant.

 

[Okki]

Another consideration if you stay with the 20" is all the FJ guys pointing and laughing :wink2:

BTW, what did you mean by "$8K ~ $10K"? I now have a full set of TE parts at the painter and the parts totaled out around $2K. Not trying to spend your money, of course, but just wondering what you meant.

Suspension (Icon stage 5) $5000
Shrockworks Underbody Armor $1000
Shrockworks Bumpers (front and rear) $2900
TRD Wheels $1875

Everything after that will be gravy and no.. the box will not be more fun to play with than what comes in them! LOL :surfer:

Okki

 

[phillyd2]

Suspension (Icon stage 5) $5000
Shrockworks Underbody Armor $1000
Shrockworks Bumpers (front and rear) $2900
TRD Wheels $1875

Everything after that will be gravy and no.. the box will not be more fun to play with than what comes in them! LOL :surfer:

Okki

oh, got it brother. :cheers:

And.....lol but my 5 year old would strongly disagree.

 

[UtahSooner]

Suspension (Icon stage 5) $5000
Shrockworks Underbody Armor $1000
Shrockworks Bumpers (front and rear) $2900
TRD Wheels $1875

Everything after that will be gravy and no.. the box will not be more fun to play with than what comes in them! LOL :surfer:

x2 on getting a set of used TE wheels (or other similarly priced option) for "beater" off road wheels. When I decided to pull the trigger on the TRDs I justified part of the cost with the fact that I could sell my TE wheels and make up some of the cost. But, after getting everything swapped and having the TE wheels sitting in the basement for a while, I've decided that I'd rather keep the TE wheels for "playing" in the future so I can keep the TRDs shiny for daily use and moderate dirt driving. I'm thinking that powdercoating the TE wheels will happen at some point, but that'll have to wait.

I think you're probably just talking about getting TE wheels and buying tires separately but just to make sure here are my responses to your original questions:

1) Yes, the OEM tires (Dunlops or other) that come wrapped on the TE wheels are crap. Get TE Wheels if you want, but buy a good set of AT tires separately. If budget doesn't allow getting new tires of your choice, then stick with your 20" Limited wheels/tires for now. Of course, you could always get the TE wheels and new tires and then sell your Limited wheels/tires rather than swapping them with someone.

2) The TRD wheels for the 4Runner are actually 7.5 wide, not 8.0 (I believe the original 5-bolt ones for the Tundras are 8.0). I just looked at the boxes that my TRDs came in and verified that 17x7.5 is the size (or take a look at the description in the ToyotaTRDParts link below). So the answer is that new 17" tires on TE wheels will work perfectly on TRDs when you're able to get them. Side note, for 285 or wider tires, 7.5 is typically the minimum rim width that is spec'd by the tire mfg so if you you'll be fine running wider than stock rubber if you decide to (if you put that Icon lift on and don't have at least 285s mounted, then something is wrong!). However, if you're thinking of going wider than 285, then you'll have to go with a rim that is wider than the TEs and TRDs.

Last note, your budgetary pricing for the TRD wheels is off -- get them from ToyotaTRDParts in Dallas (one of the site sponsors). $330 per wheel and free shipping. My total after adding the TRD lug kit (make sure they send you the extra long lug kit...) was $1465.

17 TRD Forged Wheel with BeadLock Ring PTR45-35010

Maybe your wait for those new TRDs just got a little shorter!!!???!!! Happy saving!

 

[Okki]

x2 on getting a set of used TE wheels (or other similarly priced option) for "beater" off road wheels. When I decided to pull the trigger on the TRDs I justified part of the cost with the fact that I could sell my TE wheels and make up some of the cost. But, after getting everything swapped and having the TE wheels sitting in the basement for a while, I've decided that I'd rather keep the TE wheels for "playing" in the future so I can keep the TRDs shiny for daily use and moderate dirt driving. I'm thinking that powdercoating the TE wheels will happen at some point, but that'll have to wait.

I think you're probably just talking about getting TE wheels and buying tires separately but just to make sure here are my responses to your original questions:

1) Yes, the OEM tires (Dunlops or other) that come wrapped on the TE wheels are crap. Get TE Wheels if you want, but buy a good set of AT tires separately. If budget doesn't allow getting new tires of your choice, then stick with your 20" Limited wheels/tires for now. Of course, you could always get the TE wheels and new tires and then sell your Limited wheels/tires rather than swapping them with someone.

2) The TRD wheels for the 4Runner are actually 7.5 wide, not 8.0 (I believe the original 5-bolt ones for the Tundras are 8.0). I just looked at the boxes that my TRDs came in and verified that 17x7.5 is the size (or take a look at the description in the ToyotaTRDParts link below). So the answer is that new 17" tires on TE wheels will work perfectly on TRDs when you're able to get them. Side note, for 285 or wider tires, 7.5 is typically the minimum rim width that is spec'd by the tire mfg so if you you'll be fine running wider than stock rubber if you decide to (if you put that Icon lift on and don't have at least 285s mounted, then something is wrong!). However, if you're thinking of going wider than 285, then you'll have to go with a rim that is wider than the TEs and TRDs.

Last note, your budgetary pricing for the TRD wheels is off -- get them from ToyotaTRDParts in Dallas (one of the site sponsors). $330 per wheel and free shipping. My total after adding the TRD lug kit (make sure they send you the extra long lug kit...) was $1465.

17 TRD Forged Wheel with BeadLock Ring PTR45-35010

Maybe your wait for those new TRDs just got a little shorter!!!???!!! Happy saving!

Thanks for the link to the TRD's... Funny enough though that the TRD catalog says they are 8 inch.
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PTR45-34070
17" X 8" forged off road style wheel
for Tundra, Sequoia and Land Cruiser
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ahh.. just noticed... different part number on your link.

Okki

 

[1engineer]

The problem with the LE wheels and tires on trails is sidewall, or lack thereof. You really can't air them down properly because you risk bending a rim. Get the TE or SR5 rims and a good set of AT tires and you will be fine for all but the hardcore rocks. The stock tires are not so good but I have had them offroad many times and as long as I stay out of the deep stuff I have not gotten stuck after airing them down to 15-20 psi. You won't get laughed at with 17" rims and stock size good AT tires and you will be able to go most places, not all, but most.

 

[Intruder]

The problem with the LE wheels and tires on trails is sidewall, or lack thereof. You really can't air them down properly because you risk bending a rim.

Yes, exactly this. I air my 285/70 Duratracs down to 15 psi for the trails. Gives you better grip since more of the tire tread surface is contacting the ground and lower risk for punctures from rocks. It's also easier on the trails when you're aired down. Tread lightly!