odds are your installation would be wrong before their part was defective. Assume you used a star pattern to snug and then torqued to spec.
The Spidertrax Shimmy
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willb0125
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Yeah I used a brand new torque wrench and tightened the spacer lugs and wheel lugs in a star pattern.
I am going to pop them off tomorrow. Clean up the hubs and studs with a wire brush and make sure the wheel mounting surfaces are all clean and smooth. After that I will test with the stock setup and see how it goes.
In my gut I feel something is either defective or installed wrong (doubtful since I did the install and I am awesome...hahah
). I would actually be happy if I have the same issue in stock form so i can bring it in to Toyota and have them resolve it. I know if I bring it in to service with the spacers on and complain about shaking their only solution will be to remove the spaces so I might as well do it first.
needsmoresalt
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I had this EXACT same issue, and road force balancing fixed it. I found a shop with one of these: Road Force Touch® GSP9700 Wheel Balancer - The World's #1 Diagnostic Wheel Balancing Machine | Hunter Engineering Company
Solved it all for me, even with rotating the tires regularly.
Solved it all for me, even with rotating the tires regularly.
oljedi11950
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Hawaka adapter for Nippon veh . 110 lbs on spidertrax & 100 lb on lugs . Check after 500 mi . No loctite on mine 05 has 40k & 11' going on 6500 mi no probs
carlomagne
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If it makes you feel better, several stock 4runners have mentioned a slight shake at specifically 60mph. It's not noticeable unless you look for it. I noticed it on mine when it was completely stock and still barely notice it now with the spacers and tires. Goes away at 62mph.
willb0125
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I have a shop 2 miles from my house with this exact equipment. Unfortunately it didn't help. I seem to have a stubborn one.
willb0125
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Well at least I know I'm not alone. Some of the problem is the way I feel about my vehicles. Once something like this comes up on any car I have owned I always notice it. I wish I could just let it go and get used to it. I guess i'm just to ocd for that.
carlomagne
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Nevermind. I don't have it anymore. Had it when I was stock.
LandCruiser
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Loctite is easier to remove when heated, but I doubt that an impact/torque wrench would have issues removing a loctited nut.
willb0125
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In case anyone was wondering I removed all 4 spacers this weekend and all of the issues magically disappeared. No more vibration/shaking at any speed.
I do not believe this was and installation issue. All of the lugs on the spacers were still at 85 ft/lbs when I removed them, no issue there. I don't have any tools to measure run-out but a visual inspection showed no gaps or spaces between the spacers and the hubs. The wheel to spacer mounting surfaces were all clean. These were install on the truck with only about 5000 miles on it and i used a wire wheel to clean up the hubs before the initial install so i do think rust or debris was the problem.
I don't think Spidertrax makes a bad product, they seem well built and high quality but they were not working for me. Someone that can live with a little vibration in a very small speed range would not even care.
I do not believe this was and installation issue. All of the lugs on the spacers were still at 85 ft/lbs when I removed them, no issue there. I don't have any tools to measure run-out but a visual inspection showed no gaps or spaces between the spacers and the hubs. The wheel to spacer mounting surfaces were all clean. These were install on the truck with only about 5000 miles on it and i used a wire wheel to clean up the hubs before the initial install so i do think rust or debris was the problem.
I don't think Spidertrax makes a bad product, they seem well built and high quality but they were not working for me. Someone that can live with a little vibration in a very small speed range would not even care.
put the spacers that were on the front on the back and see if you feel shake in the wheel still
mtomaro
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I'll take 'em...
1engineer
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[MENTION=68685]Ducmonsta[/MENTION] [MENTION=128287]DAGNABIT[/MENTION] Alright,
Use your imagination a minute: Suppose you are sitting on one end of a teeter-totter. The person on the other end of the teeter-totter weighs exactly the same and both of you are equidistant from the pivot point so you are in balance. Now you move the pivot point and he is further away from it. what will happen? You will go up of course. He increased his lever arm and kept the same weight so the force will increase. Think in those terms for a minute.
Adding 1.25" to each side and moving the CL of the wheel and tire out will have the same effect. You won't of course increase the mass of the vehicle but by adding the length outboard will have the same effect and could change the toe a bit. Will it need adjusted? Probably not but it depends on where the toe was set originally. If it were right on the edge of being right then adding the spacers could cause you to need the toe readjusted. Longer lever same mass. Ducmonsta is correct. If you could precisely measure the distance from the center of the hub to the bottom of the fender wheel opening before and after the spacers were added the distance after the spacers were added would be less by a bit.
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willb0125
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Maybe once the temps here get out of the 90's. Doing that job with 1 floor jack on my driveway in the sun is no fun. From this experience i would have to guess I would get the same results with new wheels that were off set the 1.25" to give the same look.
Antman
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Funny this came up. I remember way back when I installed my Spidertrax I sat on my garage floor for about 20 minutes debating with myself as to whether or not the spacers would change the toe. I was moving my hands in and out and all sorts of stuff, haha!
Leave it to Greg to sort it out with a teeter-totter analogy. Love that guy.
