The TRUTH about DRLs you be the judge

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I had the dealership turn mine off coast a 100.00 they told me just about everyone comes in to have them turned off. Toyota service bulletin EL011-00. Or you could just do the gray wire mod.

Here are some facts about daytime running lights I pulled off the the web. Currently The NHTSA is looking into this in the US and possibly banning them.

1. Increase Visual Glare: Headlight glare from both oncoming and following vehicles is the most common complaint registered with our office. General Motors vehicles are the most often cited sources of DRL glare. Reported motorists' responses include the use of nighttime rear view mirror settings during daylight hours, maladjustment of external rear view mirrors, and the use of sun glasses even during low light and cloudy conditions. The most frequently cited reaction is one of "aggravation" or "irritation." All the aforementioned add additional stress to the task of driving, resulting in shorter tempers and less attention paid to the task of driving. Also, the maladjustment of rear view mirrors means they are not able to serve the purposes for which they are intended thereby increasing the likelihood of an accident.
2. Obscure The Directional Signal Lights: DRLs are blamed for reducing or obscuring the visibility of directional signal lights.
3. Increase Visual Clutter: Rather than simply increasing conspicuity, multiple vehicles with DRLs are found to be distracting and adding an element of confusion to otherwise normal traffic flow.
4. Mask Other Roadway Users: DRLs dominate visual attention to the exclusion and disadvantage of pedestrians, bicyclists, highway workers, and other vehicles that do not have DRLs.
5. Reduce The Conspicuity Of Motorcycles: Many motorcyclists feel that the conspicuity of their smaller vehicles is increased by operating with their headlights on during daylight hours. There is concern that the widespread use of DRLs on automobiles will eliminate the (assumed) value of daytime headlight use by motorcyclists.
6. Distort Distance Perception: Complaints of distorted distance perception vary. Certain individuals claim DRLs make on-coming vehicles appear closer than they really are. Others people make the opposite claim. What is consistent is that DRLs distort distance perception.
7. Reduce Emergency Vehicle Conspicuity: Daytime use of various lighting systems serve to distinguish emergency vehicles from other traffic on public roadways. This differentiation is diminished (if not eliminated) by large concentrations of DRL-equipped vehicles. This is also a concern for convoys of slow moving vehicles and special circumstances such as funeral processions where groups of vehicles are not moving in sync with normal traffic flow.
8. Motorist Failure To Use Standard Lights: Because DRLs provide a degree of forward lighting, many motorists fail to turn on their standard lights in low-light, low-visibility situations. This means the rear lights of certain vehicles are not illuminated. We believe DRL use increases the probability of rear end collisions. The potential for daytime tail light use to mask brake lights has already been recognized, as evidenced by DRL circuitry that excludes activation of tail lights.

Also some other interesting facts and links
"some of the studies are very interesting"

http://www.motorists.org/drl/home/daytime-running-lights-dont-save-lives/
http://www.howstuffworks.com/question424.htm
http://www.lightsout.org/studies.html

Turn The Lights Off, Please!
Over the past few years I have noticed the growing number of new cars equipped with so-called Daytime Running Lights. Adding to the growing clutter of glare and distraction are those drivers who have decided that burning their headlights night AND day wards off evil spirits and makes their 4000 pound car more visible to the legally blind.

Do these Daytime Running Lights (DRLs) and perpetually burning headlights actually do anything positive? I doubt it, but here's what I know for sure.

Headlights glaring in my eyes or bouncing off my rear-view mirror are darn annoying. It has become incredibly difficult to see directional lights blinking on oncoming cars. At night I see many cars with no taillights because their DRL systems light the headlights and not the taillights. Funeral processions have become invisible and emergency vehicles and traffic lights are harder to see. And, I know I am not the only person who resents the floodlight effect of a pickup truck or SUV melting my rear window!

How did this get this way? Why hasn't the government done something to stop this nonsense? There are laws against blinding other drivers at night with bright lights, how come its OK to blind each other during daylight hours?

The hot buttons amongst the safety types are "road rage, aggressive driving" and "distraction." Daytime use of headlights and DRLs contribute to all three of these government defined plagues, why isn't anything being done to eliminate these dangerous and obnoxious practices?!

Here is what my friend who is a (Rhode Island) police officer said. we can see the idiots who think they are cool driving with there lights on during the day. we see them coming half a mile away a nail them with a speeding ticket and what ever else we can. now he did say most of those cars are Audi bmw honda vw and gm pickups lots of GM pickups. I seriously doubt they are the only police station that uses your DRL against you. for me another reason not to have them on my vehicle.
 
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Originally I couldn't stand the orange DRL's on my GX470, but I think I've finally begun to appreciate them. On many occassions I've gotten the sense that it has helped prevent people from pulling out in front of me. There's something about a 5,000 lb SUV with orange lights barreling down on them that makes them decide not to risk it :awais:
 
Hmm, I agree and disagree with your post. Let me first say that I dont like DRL at all. Some idiot texting is not going to crash into someone else because I have my ultra safe DRL. That being said.....

I dont think the govt should be involved as much as they are AT ALL. Anyone who thinks the govt needs to get their hands in more pies (govt "do something")than they already have is nuts. You also say "Funeral processions have become invisible and emergency vehicles and traffic lights are harder to see", how on Earth could you not see an emergency vehicle or funeral procession unless youre multi-tasking? Thats just a little excessive and dramatic I think.

I also highly doubt that having DRL increases your chances of speeding if thats what you were implying. If someone is speeding its their fault, not their freakin DRL. I have DRL and I go the speed limit, and go figure no tickets and better MPG! They might make a car stick out from traffic, but I dont think anymore than a brightly colored car would.

I will agree that is has become marginally more difficult to see signal lights of oncoming cars. Meaning I have to look for about 1.5 seconds instead of only 1 second to make sure. Thats why you are supposed to sweep/scan instead of look right at things your peripheral vision is much more sensitive to movements. However you say "At night I see many cars with no taillights because their DRL systems light the headlights and not the taillights". Why are these people not putting on their headlights at night? Is it because their main headlights are on via DRL so they dont bother or ??? That has me curious, in either case I would point to operator error and not fault the machinery.

The solution to much of the argument in your post can be solved by people driving instead of "commuting" while eating/texting/make-up. If more people drove properly then the problems you mention would not be so bad. A nice solution would be to increase penalties to the point where people learn a very hard lesson. Case in point: When I had my first Z I went to jail for 2 weeks for speeding. Guess what I dont do anymore?

I hope you dont take this post the wrong way I agree with your opinion just not your reasons.
 
I like all the response's so far. I feel this will be a highly talked about discussion as far as the speeding tickets go yes I would agree with driver error not machinery fault.As far as the speeding ticket goes my point was that they may not have been pulled over other wise. I dont know why those vehicles get pulled over more; one can only speculate. Hmm speeding there in of its self is a highly debated subject too. I like where this is going. As far as driver distraction texting and talking on cell phones this is most definitely a problem. two of my friend have been in accidents do to this habit there fault 100%. also opinions listed above are not mine but Im sure you can see what side of the line I am on.yes I do agree that there should be stricter fines for lazy drivers. Guess automatic for the people isn't a good thing.
 
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I had the dealership turn mine off coast a 100.00 they told me just about everyone comes in to have them turned off. Toyota service bulletin EL011-00. Or you could just do the gray wire mod.

Wow, you paid a $100 for that?? :confused: It takes all of 1 min to do on a '00 4Runner.

In the engine bay, look between the battery and driver side fender. There's a small black box. That's your DRL module. Simply unplug that, and no more DRLs. If you want your DRLs back on again, simply plug the connector back in.

In '01, Toyota changed the design of the DRLs. Thus '01 and '02 owners, like myself, have to go a different route to disable our DRLS, but still, no more than 1 min worth of work here either.

If everyone like you said has the dealer disable their DRLs for a $100 a pop...maybe I'm in the wrong business!

BTW, not sure what "grey wire mod" you're referring too for DRLs? The only grey wire mod I've ever heard about was the one for the rear locker: http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/minutemods/greywire_mod/
 
I agree with everything the OP said, but only in regard to DRL that are headlights. Our 4runners have little orange/yellow marker lights. These don't distract drivers, cause glare, etc.

Tahoes and other GM product use the low beams on a 75% setting as the DLR's. These are obnoxious.
 
I agree with everything the OP said, but only in regard to DRL that are headlights. Our 4runners have little orange/yellow marker lights. These don't distract drivers, cause glare, etc.

Tahoes and other GM product use the low beams on a 75% setting as the DLR's. These are obnoxious.

When you say "our 4Runners", I assume you're referring 4th gens. The late 3rd gen 4Runner DRL system uses the low beams on a 75% setting just as GM products do. These type DRLs are what the original poster is referring too.
 
I don't really have point either way but I lean towards "they are good". Just as the no seatbelt crowd can make an almost believeable arguement so can the no DRL crowd. Maybe I am wrong.


Hate it or not when I ride a bike I always ride with Highbeam during the day. (I use high and low normally beginning at dusk). If I go out and get an uneasy feeling about a car pulling out in front of me or some other situation that may be a "close call" invariably I left the headlight on low beam. The second I go back to high beam all is good. It's not the 5 extra watts it's the reflector angle. (Ex: Have someone aim a flashlight at your chin, it's bright. Aim it in your eyes and WOW!)


GM headlight based DRL's were, in most cases, the highbeam at 75%-80% not the low beam, again the reflector angle.

:cheers:
 
What absolute rubbish.

Exactly right. The only time I really appreciate headlights on in the daytime is when passing people on a stretch of highway. I find it much easier to gauge the distance of an oncoming vehicle if they have their headlights on, which I suspect is the reason why it is a posted law in some places. The part on distance perception should not even be mentioned because of it being almost purely subjective though. Oh, and I disabled my DRLs :thumb3:
 
Hmm, I agree and disagree with your post. Let me first say that I dont like DRL at all. Some idiot texting is not going to crash into someone else because I have my ultra safe DRL. That being said.....

I dont think the govt should be involved as much as they are AT ALL. Anyone who thinks the govt needs to get their hands in more pies (govt "do something")than they already have is nuts. You also say "Funeral processions have become invisible and emergency vehicles and traffic lights are harder to see", how on Earth could you not see an emergency vehicle or funeral procession unless youre multi-tasking? Thats just a little excessive and dramatic I think.

I also highly doubt that having DRL increases your chances of speeding if thats what you were implying. If someone is speeding its their fault, not their freakin DRL. I have DRL and I go the speed limit, and go figure no tickets and better MPG! They might make a car stick out from traffic, but I dont think anymore than a brightly colored car would.

I will agree that is has become marginally more difficult to see signal lights of oncoming cars. Meaning I have to look for about 1.5 seconds instead of only 1 second to make sure. Thats why you are supposed to sweep/scan instead of look right at things your peripheral vision is much more sensitive to movements. However you say "At night I see many cars with no taillights because their DRL systems light the headlights and not the taillights". Why are these people not putting on their headlights at night? Is it because their main headlights are on via DRL so they dont bother or ??? That has me curious, in either case I would point to operator error and not fault the machinery.

The solution to much of the argument in your post can be solved by people driving instead of "commuting" while eating/texting/make-up. If more people drove properly then the problems you mention would not be so bad. A nice solution would be to increase penalties to the point where people learn a very hard lesson. Case in point: When I had my first Z I went to jail for 2 weeks for speeding. Guess what I dont do anymore?

I hope you dont take this post the wrong way I agree with your opinion just not your reasons.

I'd like to know what IDIOT came up with the idea of lighting up the dash with a turn of the ignition key. Thats part of the "no lights on when they should be " issue ,in my opinion. We should need to turn lights ON if we want the dash lit up! Our vehicles get "smarter" every year,guess what we're getting every year?:mad:
 
I'd like to know what IDIOT came up with the idea of lighting up the dash with a turn of the ignition key. Thats part of the "no lights on when they should be " issue ,in my opinion. We should need to turn lights ON if we want the dash lit up! Our vehicles get "smarter" every year,guess what we're getting every year?:mad:

:iagree:
I read that it was put in during or shortly after the launch of the 4th Gen because some US Government IDIOT (DOT or NHTSA) had a hard time seeing the dash indicators or received complaints. Toyota had to do a quick retrofit. I've hated it since day one (along with the cruise not holding memory on the '04.) I still want to pursue mods to CORRECT both of these.
 
I think the DRL's or lights on make it easier to see other cars. Just my opinion.

As for the always-on light-up dashboard, Lexus started using it as early as 1999 that I know of. I agree that it makes you have to think about whether the headlights are on or not. Fortunately, if you have the auto-on headlight feature, then you also have an idiot light on the dash that tells you the headlights are on. I have learned to look for the idiot light instead of simply looking at the dashboard illumination.
 
Wow, you paid a $100 for that?? :confused: It takes all of 1 min to do on a '00 4Runner.

In the engine bay, look between the battery and driver side fender. There's a small black box. That's your DRL module. Simply unplug that, and no more DRLs. If you want your DRLs back on again, simply plug the connector back in.

Are you certain of this? I have read of many mods for the DRL in 3rd gens, but it seemed the wiring of the 2000, specifically, made it harder to do. I am going to have to try this out for sure, as I really want mine to go away.

I don't have any opinion of DRL, generally, but my runner is a camping vehicle and I don't like it at night when the lights come on and blast the campsite if I am starting the engine for any reason. Coming back from a bit of night wheeling, I want to turn of the head lights as I roll into camp.

Thanks for this idea of unplugging the module, I will try it for sure.
 
DRLs have a POSITIVE impact on road safety. Also, your ins. company will give you a discount for having them.
 
my runner is a camping vehicle and I don't like it at night when the lights come on and blast the campsite if I am starting the engine for any reason.
On the 4th Gen (2003-2009), the DRL's stay off if the parking brake is engaged.
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Wow, you paid a $100 for that??
For 4th Gen's that came equipped with factory DRL's, you can have a Toyota dealer go into the body computer (using their OBD scan tool) and turn off the DRL's. That way, you don't do any cutting or wiring mods. The down side is that the dealer charges their labor rate for the time, often with a 1/2 hour or 1 hour minimum. If you go to the dealer for other work, some will do the DRL switch for free if you ask at the same time.
 
All of those issues are nonsense, and as a motorcycle rider for the past 20 or so years I have never even thought about cars DRL's competing with my headlight. People don't see me no matter what I do, so I keep myself alive as all motorcyclists do.

There is a strecth of highway in MA, Rt. 2, it runs the whole state, but the western part can be dangerous with blind corners and cars going two directions at 70 with only an orange divider line. That road had a high number of head ons and too many fatalaties, if you live in the north west its pretty much your only main route and gets real busy. So MA said daytime headlight use was mandatory, long before DRL's were common, not for rear visibility, specifically to better see oncoming traffic. And you know what, in the first year alone accidents were reduced drastically, and have continued to fall. Now, yes, recently MA has improved the road design w/ a wider center line and some cones, but to me this example alone proves daytime headlight use is beneficial. If you live in the middle of nowhere maybe not, but in densely populated areas it helps.
 
Are you certain of this? I have read of many mods for the DRL in 3rd gens, but it seemed the wiring of the 2000, specifically, made it harder to do. I am going to have to try this out for sure, as I really want mine to go away.

I don't have any opinion of DRL, generally, but my runner is a camping vehicle and I don't like it at night when the lights come on and blast the campsite if I am starting the engine for any reason. Coming back from a bit of night wheeling, I want to turn of the head lights as I roll into camp.

Thanks for this idea of unplugging the module, I will try it for sure.

It really is just that easy... :D


DRLs have a POSITIVE impact on road safety. Also, your ins. company will give you a discount for having them.

That's great...but not every state does that. AL is one of them.


For 4th Gen's that came equipped with factory DRL's, you can have a Toyota dealer go into the body computer (using their OBD scan tool) and turn off the DRL's. That way, you don't do any cutting or wiring mods. The down side is that the dealer charges their labor rate for the time, often with a 1/2 hour or 1 hour minimum. If you go to the dealer for other work, some will do the DRL switch for free if you ask at the same time.

I can understand that...some owners may not want to do any cutting or wiring mods on their vehicles (I on the other hand, love doing this kind of stuff). My comment was directed at the original poster of this thread. His sig line states he has a '00 4Runner and disabling the drl feature on '00 4Runners is about the easiest thing you can do by yourself - just unplug a connector. You want drls again, plug the connector back in. I wouldn't pay someone $5 to do that for me...much less a $100. Now he may not have known it was that easy, but the internet is a great resource.

And if any one is interested in a drl on/off mod for 4th gens, there's a hack for that (as apple would say it). Here it's being done to a '04 model: http://www.yotatech.com/f127/2004-4runner-drl-disable-off-capability-92211/
 
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