This will answer most questions on the new TR5

[Alex1911]

My "rationale" for this is that according to the posted Canadian spec sheet, that the Trail Edition comes with black bumpers, door handles fenders, ect...and that the Limited does not get any of the Trail Edition's off-road options. Current models have a good mix. I would like to see the same options on the Trail Edition available on the fully loaded Limited without 20" road spec tires. I would assume that most people would prefer color keyed bumpers opposed to black.

+1 I'm with you.

People automatically assume a person is going to be breaking the bad bush when they hear the word "off road", which isn't always the case.

 

[GatorGreg]

Woohoo - they're finally adding recline feature to the 2nd row

The demise of the V8 is unfortunate, but if you check out the Toyota sale figures for June you can see why - I think they barely sold over 1,000 T4Rs in the entire month The days of T4R sales of over 100,000 per year are gone I'm afraid.

 

[JAC]

Re: WTF

Can someone explain to me why there is more ground clearance on the 2wd versus the 4wd? Isnt that the dumbest thing ever.



That is something I have noticed...everytime I see another 4runner 4x4 it looks more down to the ground than my SR5 2wd 17" wheels ...
mine is taller...why is that?....I tought it wa s my imagination until I saw one very closely I believe it was an 08 4x4 and the body was way more close to the ground than my girl....I wander why?...can any one explain that?

 

[crushr]

Your actually completely wrong. Toyota did learn their lesson that why the black fenders are on the trail edition ONLY. When your offroad, plastic fender flares are the first things to get damaged which is why toyota made them black so they hide the scuffs etc etc. I don't understand your rationale at all for that because it makes no sense.

I'm glad I own the fastest/most powerful 4runner toyota will have ever made.

You're actually completely wrong. Plenty of people, including myself, do plenty of offroading, and don't like/will not buy a vehicle with unpainted flares, bumpers etc.

I am always amused when someone barely out of his teens chooses to express his opinion as fact.

 

[eskimochaos]

That plenty of people is less than 5% or people looking to buy the 4runner which means not significant at all.

You're actually completely wrong. Plenty of people, including myself, do plenty of offroading, and don't like/will not buy a vehicle with unpainted flares, bumpers etc.

I am always amused when someone barely out of his teens chooses to express his opinion as fact.

 

[crushr]

That plenty of people is less than 5% or people looking to buy the 4runner which means not significant at all.

Wow - you must have amazing access to Toyota marketing materials, customer surveys, and demographic information.

Otherwise, you are once again stating your (apparently baseless) opinion as fact.

 

[eskimochaos]

Wow - you must have amazing access to Toyota marketing materials, customer surveys, and demographic information.

Otherwise, you are once again stating your (apparently baseless) opinion as fact.

Lets be realistic and think about it. How many people do you actually think buy a 4R to go offroad in? Just because there many of the people on here do doesnt mean it is reflective of the entire market.

Dont be ignorant.

 

[eskimochaos]

Re: Re: WTF

Can someone explain to me why there is more ground clearance on the 2wd versus the 4wd? Isnt that the dumbest thing ever.



That is something I have noticed...everytime I see another 4runner 4x4 it looks more down to the ground than my SR5 2wd 17" wheels ...
mine is taller...why is that?....I tought it wa s my imagination until I saw one very closely I believe it was an 08 4x4 and the body was way more close to the ground than my girl....I wander why?...can any one explain that?

Does the front diff weight that much? Perhaps there isnt more "ground clearance" there is just a different skid plate design making it appear that the trucks are different heights.

Was the height difference apparent at hood level?

 

[crushr]

Lets be realistic and think about it. How many people do you actually think buy a 4R to go offroad in? Just because there many of the people on here do doesnt mean it is reflective of the entire market.

Dont be ignorant.

You are being ignorant, and as usual, arrogant and uninformed. If you don't have the data, don't be making statements as if you do. BTW, lots of folks in CA and the Western US take their trucks off road. Maybe that isn't true in Jersey So Gay

 

[ShipOfFools]

Well, I was thinking about buying a new 4Runner for my next vehicle somewhere down the road, but if the V8 is out, so am I. I've been wanting my Vortec back anyway, so I'll probably go for a Tahoe. Much more comfortable anyway.

 

[steezemcqueen]

i want a manual transmission

 

[Dblues28]

Discontinued V-8

With the economy as it is, I can think of a lot of negative baggage that comes with that V8 logo on the grill...even though you're only talking about 1 or 2 miles per gallon difference. Everyone is on the Eco-Wagon these days.

Things will eventually break...the economy will improve...and I bet that when it does, we'll find that a 4.6 V8 fits perfectly into that engine compartment...maybe in the 2011 model?...2012?? I expect this is the strategy Toyota is banking on. Look at all of those 4Runners sold in the 80s and 90s with 4 and 6 bangers. Us V8 junkies should not fear. America has and will always be a bigger is better country. We're just a little noided right now.

 

[Alex1911]

You are being ignorant, and as usual, arrogant and uninformed. If you don't have the data, don't be making statements as if you do. BTW, lots of folks in CA and the Western US take their trucks off road. Maybe that isn't true in Jersey So Gay

They don't want painted bumpers in Jersey because of all the trash dumps, guidos, and mouthy broads they hit on a daily basis.

I'm with you and the other poster... If unpainted bumpers were so popular, why did Toyota dump them off the 4th Gen months into 1st year production...

For the member from OR, economics and energy; It is a regional thing, down in the South people have no problem buying a V8, Toyota is selling themselves short by not offering one, people will look elsewhere and some people (possibly me being one of them) will put off buying a new 4R until we see a V8.

Mind you, I have an '03 V8 which doesn't have the VVTI.

I really wonder about Toyota's marketing research, I have never heard of a long term Toyota owner getting a call or sheet regarding what they would like the the next gen. Had mine sine Dec 2002, I'd have liked to give Toyota a list of things that I thought should be changed/included on the next version.

I'd enjoy a manual too!

 

[Dblues28]

Alex...for the record...I do live in Oregon, but I'm not from Oregon...I was born and raised in Southern California. I have no doubt that Toyota will loose buyers by discontinuing V8 power (even temporarily) You site the fact that economics and energy are a regional thing. I agree that there are plenty of folks from the south who are more apt to buy V8 vs the tree hugging hippies here in Oregon.

We're in Prius country here in Portland, Oregon... (not my bag), but I highly doubt that economics and energy are a regional concern. Our current government will do everything it can to eliminate the horse power/torque laden power plants we have come to love in favor of bland electric hamster wheels.

I'm sad to see the V8 go too, but I'm certain it will be back in due time at least in limited production. It boils down to demand and supply. If we demand it via going elsewhere to purchase an SUV, they will build it

 

[BROOKLYN]

They don't want painted bumpers in Jersey because of all the trash dumps, guidos, and mouthy broads they hit on a daily basis.

IN GUIDOS do u mean italians

 

[Alex1911]

They don't want painted bumpers in Jersey because of all the trash dumps, guidos, and mouthy broads they hit on a daily basis.

IN GUIDOS do u mean italians

Negative... The popped collar, spray on tan, stainless steel jewelry wearing guys:

http://images.google.com/images?q=g...ent=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

 

[peter78]

Re: Discontinued V-8

With the economy as it is, I can think of a lot of negative baggage that comes with that V8 logo on the grill...even though you're only talking about 1 or 2 miles per gallon difference. Everyone is on the Eco-Wagon these days.

Besides my 2 4Runners, I also have a 1991 Toyota Previa. It is a mini-van and weighs about as much as my 4Runners. It has a 4 cyl 2.4 liter engine. I keep records of all of my mileage. I get about 16 on the van and around 19 on both 4Runners. On long trips the van will break 20 mpg, but that is rare. The engine is always working hard on the van it does not seem happy. Sometimes, I think you can under power a car and in real life get less mileage than you can with a car that has more power. Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[hammersc]

attachment

Has anyone else mentioned that the "Official changes" document attached at the start of this thread looks like a 5th grader typed it up on his Tandy computer?

There are no Toyota symbols, trademarks, anything that signifies that this is an official Toyota document/change sheet. How do we know this is any more or less true than the rest of the speculation on this and every other 'Yota website in anticipation of our coveted 5th gen????

 

[GatorGreg]

Re: attachment

Has anyone else mentioned that the "Official changes" document attached at the start of this thread looks like a 5th grader typed it up on his Tandy computer?

There are no Toyota symbols, watermarks, anything that signifies that this is an official Toyota document/change sheet. How do we know this is any more or less true than the rest of the speculation on this and every other 'Yota website in anticipation of our coveted 5th gen????

You make some valid points, and I do take everything I read (especially on the internet) with a grain of salt, but it does look credible to my eyes. Can't wait to see the new Army Green FJ

 

[eskimochaos]

Re: Re: Discontinued V-8

Besides my 2 4Runners, I also have a 1991 Toyota Previa. It is a mini-van and weighs about as much as my 4Runners. It has a 4 cyl 2.4 liter engine. I keep records of all of my mileage. I get about 16 on the van and around 19 on both 4Runners. On long trips the van will break 20 mpg, but that is rare. The engine is always working hard on the van it does not seem happy. Sometimes, I think you can under power a car and in real life get less mileage than you can with a car that has more power. Just my 2 cents worth.

Its true, Top Gear raced a Prius and an M3 around a track. The Prius was struggling to keep 80mph through the turns. I think the Prius got like 12mpg and the M3 got like 20mpg.

Obviously different but a struggling engine will burn more fuel.