This will answer most questions on the new TR5

But seriously, a 161 hp 4-banger in an almost 5k pound SUV??? :wtf: The 4R isn't getting smaller and lighter.
Closer to 4,000 lbs. The 2009 V6 4WD limited is 4300 lbs. The 2wd is lighter than that, and the 4 is lighter than the 6. The SR5 model is lighter than the Limited model. I still think it will be a slug, though. And a 2WD 4Runner is the answer to a question that I've never asked.

I still don't see how Toyota doesn't offer the new 4.6L V8 in the new 4R. With more power and better mpg's you would think it would be a no brainer to offer it in the new 4R, but what do I know. Guess I'll just have to see and drive one for myself.....
I'd sure like to see one with a 4.6l V8 and 6-speed auto transmission.
 
I still don't see how Toyota doesn't offer the new 4.6L V8 in the new 4R. With more power and better mpg's you would think it would be a no brainer to offer it in the new 4R, but what do I know. Guess I'll just have to see and drive one for myself.....

There is still hope that Toyota will offer the 4.6L V8 in the 2010 or future 4Runner. Big changes are going on behind the scenes. About a month ago there was a major management shakeup at Toyota Japan and Toyota North America. Now more decisions will be made by the regional managers, rather being dictated by managers at the Japanese headquarters. Toyota will also start listening to it's customers and the market again. The new head of Toyota North America, Mr. Inaba, who previously ran that division from 1999-2003, had this to say:

"Toyota Motor Corp. got "a little bit lost" in its North American strategy and fell out of touch with customers and the market, its new North American chief, Yoshimi Inaba, said Monday.

After years of growth and profits at Toyota, Mr. Inaba said, elements of complacency and arrogance infiltrated the company, which prides itself on being efficient and customer-oriented as well as constantly improving. To address this, Mr. Inaba plans an overhaul of Toyota's North American operations.

"Our sense has been always that we listen to the market, we listen to customers, we listen to the dealer. That element is a little bit lost," Mr. Inaba told a group of reporters."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124813041573566631.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/business/global/05toyota.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all


Also, competition from Ford's EcoBoost engines, which are turbocharged and have direct injection, will force Toyota to come out with more powerful and fuel efficient engines. As it stands now, Toyota keeps it advanced engine tech upmarket, only available on it's Lexus brand for years until it filters down to Toyota cars and trucks. I was disappointed the the upcoming 4.0L V6 didn't have direct injection like some of the Lexus sedans. After all, Ford's Ecoboost engines have both direct injection and a turbo charger. The 2011 Ford Explorer (unfortunately a unibody with IRS) will have as its base engine a 2.0L four-cylinder EcoBoost rated at about 230 hp and 240 lb-ft of torque, and an optional 3.5L V6 EcoBoost engine will also be offered. The 3.5L V6 EcoBoost is currently available on the 2010 Ford Flex were it's rated at 350 hp, 355 lb-ft of torque, and EPA fuel-economy figures of 16 mpg city/22 mpg highway. According to the pdf, the 2.7L four-cylinder engine in the 2010 4Runner will have 161 hp and 184 lbs-ft of torque, while the 4.0L V6 will have 268 hp and 273 lb-ft of torque. Toyota has got to improve those horsepower and torque numbers!

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/21/ford-announces-2-0-liter-ecoboost-and-dual-clutch-gearbox-for-20/

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/21/...ust-a-b?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_autoblog
 
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Here's a qoute from Edmund's Car Talk:

"Gulf States Toyota was able to order 9 of the new 2010 4Runners on this first go around - not sure about other distribution regions...

It will be launched at the Texas State Fair on September 24th

Only v6 models will be available at the launch. The L4 (4 cyl) model will be a few months down the road - no details avaiable yet

Available Models:

TBD 4 Cyl, SR5
8642 V6, SR5, 2WD
8648 V6, Limited, 2WD
8664 V6 SR5, 4WD
8668 V6, Limited, 4WD
8670 V6, Trails Edition, 4WD "
 
Sep. 24th? Ahh, still 1 1/2 months away! I was sure that Aug. would be the month...or at least hoping it would be.
 
After all, Ford's Ecoboost engines have both direct injection and a turbo charger. The 2011 Ford Explorer (unfortunately a unibody with IRS) will have as its base engine a 2.0L four-cylinder EcoBoost rated at about 230 hp and 240 lb-ft of torque, and an optional 3.5L V6 EcoBoost engine will also be offered. The 3.5L V6 EcoBoost is currently available on the 2010 Ford Flex were it's rated at 350 hp, 355 lb-ft of torque, and EPA fuel-economy figures of 16 mpg city/22 mpg highway.
Have you seen the torque curve on the 3.5L EcoBoost? WOW!

ecoboostgraph1_opt.jpg

That would be fun to drive in a 4Runner-sized vehicle.

Unfortunately, the Exploder has had little offroad capability and I expect the next version to be even more watered down than the current one in that respect.
 
That does shed some additional light on the subject, sven. I guess the biggest question mark I still have is what the darn thing is going to look like. I'm afraid "rugged and sporty" to Toyota means "let's make the new 4R look like every other SUV we offer". The more I hear about the 5th gen, the less excited I get. Which is a good thing because I want to get another 200k miles out of my '07 4R and jones'n for a new 4R won't help my cause.

But seriously, a 161 hp 4-banger in an almost 5k pound SUV??? :wtf: The 4R isn't getting smaller and lighter.

I still don't see how Toyota doesn't offer the new 4.6L V8 in the new 4R. With more power and better mpg's you would think it would be a no brainer to offer it in the new 4R, but what do I know. Guess I'll just have to see and drive one for myself.....

This is dissapointing. The only things that could make me super interested in a 2010:

1) A similar V-6 with much improved fuel economy
2) Similar fuel economy with much improved power
3) Rear locker combined with 1 or 2.

I had hopes I'd get 2 and 3 with the 4.6L V8. I'm not sure the small improvements to the V-6 are enough to get me excited. I'm happy with my 05 SR5-V6 with my main complaint being that I don't have a rear locker. The 2010 has to offer something good for me to want to lay out the purchase cash and pay more for registration and insurance.
 
Closer to 4,000 lbs. The 2009 V6 4WD limited is 4300 lbs. The 2wd is lighter than that, and the 4 is lighter than the 6. The SR5 model is lighter than the Limited model.

True. I think my 4R is in the 4,500-4,700 lbs range but I have 4x4 and the V8. Even with a smaller engine, however, you throw a couple adults in your 4R with a full tank of gas and you are creeping up on 5k lbs fairly quickly. Either way, not the kind of weight I would like to try to throw around with a 4-banger.
 
I'm reading my September issue of Car & Driver "2010 New Car Issue" cover to cover and it says, in talking of the new 2010 4runner:

"The reworked 4.0 liter V-6 with variable cam timing will be joined by a new 4.6 liter V-8 and six speed automatic combo that promises more power and better fuel economy."

Of course print media is far behind internet news, but thought this was noteworthy. Sorry if it is recycled "ABC" news (already been chewed).

If true - sounds like a lot of guys' wishes in here will come true.
 
WOW, that EcoBoost 3.5 V6 is incredible--V8 performance and some.

Time will tell what the 5th gen looks like. I hope Toyota gets it right.
 
WOW, that EcoBoost 3.5 V6 is incredible--V8 performance and some.

Time will tell what the 5th gen looks like. I hope Toyota gets it right.

Too bad its a Ford. Im sure mechanically the engine is decent at best, its the crappy ignition components/electrical systems they have on these cars that ruins them.
 
Too bad its a Ford. Im sure mechanically the engine is decent at best, its the crappy ignition components/electrical systems they have on these cars that ruins them.

Fords are good vehicles..and have been ranked well for several years now. I have owned a few Mustangs, F150 and Lincoln LS's with no problems. Chrysler is the brand with several quality issues.
 
Did anyone see my post at the bottom of pg 6... Is this not news?

No that is not news. That has been discussed a few times before over the past 3 weeks. Once again, everything seems to be speculation. I really hope we don't have to wait till Sep. 25th at the Texas State Fair for the unveiling. Way to far off!
 
It also said it was going to be built on a Tacoma frame. Looks like it will be a smaller vehicle than what it has become...
 

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