Tires, how big w/out voiding warente?

jjdbike

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Hi folks.
I'm sure a lot of you have faced this delema.
I just lifted my 2011 SR5. 2 1/2 in front & 2 in back. Did it right w/ shocks,lift springs, diff drop & uniball UCAs. Love the handling. The looks are improved w/out being too much. The one problem is now the tires look too small. My question is how big of a tire can I put on my stock rims w/out voiding the extended Toyota service contract? I don't need anything super aggressive I only do light trails. Also don't wanna totally kill my MPG on the highway. I do a lot of deeply rutted soft sand so I'd like a bit of a wider footprint while aired down. Any input, advice or experiences?
Thanks!
JD
 
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Hi folks.
I'm sure a lot of you have faced this delema.
I just lifted my 2011 SR5. 2 1/2 in front & 2 in back. Did it right w/ shocks,lift springs, diff drop & uniball UCAs. Love the handling. The looks are improved w/out being too much. The one problem is now the tires look too small. My question is how big of a tire can I put on my stock rims w/out voiding the extended Toyota service contract? I don't need anything super aggressive I only do light trails. Also don't wanna totally kill my MPG on the highway. I do a lot of deeply rutted soft sand so I'd like a bit of a wider footprint while aired down. Any input, advice or experiences?
Thanks!
JD

The Anus, or should I say Onus, would be on the dealership to prove your larger tires contributed in wearing out mechanical parts, they would lose, you're good!
 
Even if It messes speedo / odo? Should I pay the $ to get it recalibrate?
Thanks so much folks. This is why I love this site & you guys!
Goin tire shopping!
Thanks again & take care.
JD
 
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Did your dealer install the lift? If not, your have bigger warranty concerns than tires. If so, then put whatever tires on you like. If you run into problems, just put the stock size on before you take it in. Honestly, my speedo/odo is more accurate with 285/70/17 than it was stock. Don't even consider a speedo correction
 
Even if It messes speedo / odo? Should I pay the $ to get it recalibrate?

If you change more than 1 tire size I would have it done. It's simply plugging into your ECU and resetting the tire size in there. But it's not like you're going from 31" to 38". The difference in speed and odometer will be minor.
 
also, not possible

they absolutely can not warranty something like a front CV if you have a non-toyota lift and larger tires, that's in your warranty. if non-factory parts or modifications are directly related to the problem it is not covered by the warranty. that doesn't mean that they would, of course, your dealer wants to you be happy so maybe they don't even mention to toyota that you have a lift or something, but they do have the ability to deny a claim like that.

what they can't do is not cover something unrelated because you have made some modifications, so if your exhaust suddenly started leaking they can't deny that warranty claim because your tires are big
 
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they absolutely can not warranty something like a front CV if you have a non-toyota lift and larger tires, that's in your warranty. if non-factory parts or modifications are directly related to the problem it is not covered by the warranty. that doesn't mean that they would, of course, your dealer wants to you be happy so maybe they don't even mention to toyota that you have a lift or something, but they do have the ability to deny a claim like that.

what they can't do is not cover something unrelated because you have made some modifications, so if your exhaust suddenly started leaking they can't deny that warranty claim because your tires are big

see above where i mention the magnusson-moss warranty act.
 
see above where i mention the magnusson-moss warranty act.

Come on Marshal, you believe just because the law says something it won't stop a dealer from finding some excuse to deny a claim?

And why do I hear Cartmans voice when I read the title of this thread...
 
the Magnuson-Moss act says that they can't deny your claim for using a similar aftermarket part, it doesn't prevent them from denying your claim from using non factory lifts and other parts that are different

Will Modifications Void Your New Car Warranty?
Will Modifications Void Your New Car Warranty? - Law Office of Steve Lehto
[...]
So, they can’t dictate what brand of parts you put on your car during the warranty period. Mr. Goodwrench, Motorcraft and Mopar are optional. But simply swapping parts is not the area of greatest concern here. The real concern is vehicle modification.

Many modifications people do to their cars fall outside of the “article or service” contemplated by the statute. Suppose you loved the way Vin Diesel could pull wheelies in 13th gear in his Charger and figured a little of that “NOS” would do the same for your car. Even if your little four-banger won’t pull wheelies in any gear, it now puts out a few more horses than before. So, if you find the transmission spitting out teeth like it’s been punched in the mouth by Mike Tyson, you can bet the manufacturer might blame the problem on the increased power being fed to the trans.

The Magnuson Moss Warranty Act requires manufacturers to honor their warranties and auto manufacturers only warrant their vehicles against manufacturing defects. Your claim here could be denied because the failure was not due to a defect in a factory component. It was caused by something added to the car: the nitrous oxide injection system which was not part of your car to begin with. That system caused a non-defective part to fail. Your mod did not void the warranty. It’s just that the failure was not caused by a factory defect.

Other popular modifications might likewise be problematic. Companies sell aftermarket modifications for Electronic Control Units which range from new programming to high performance replacement units. The net result is that the engine is now being controlled by a program unlike the one your car shipped with. Manufacturers know these mods exist and these will also run afoul of warranty coverage. Many Owner’s Manuals specifically state that warranty coverage does not extend to changes to the vehicle’s “configuration” and this limitation is not forbidden by the Magnuson Moss section cited above. The manufacturer is not requiring you to use a particular brand of item or service, they just don’t want you using one that is altered to different settings than those configured at the factory. Or, put it this way: If your ECU went bad and needed replacement, you could replace it with one of any brand you liked, so long as it controlled the engine the same as the original.

Expect your warranty claim on your drivetrain to be scrutinized if you come in with a hopped up ECU. These claims are routinely denied so long as the failure appears to be related somehow to the new – altered – performance parameters of the ECU. And this is perfectly legal according to the Federal Trade Commission which is the government entity charged with creating rules to implement the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act.[...]
Obviously, an aftermarket camshaft or a hopped up ECU won’t void the entire warranty on your car. The master cylinder failed? The blue tooth quit working? Unless there is a logical connection between the mod and the part or system that failed, you should be good to go.
So, you can use any type of part or service you want during the warranty period so long as it does not alter or reconfigure the car from its factory specs. In the cases which do, you might run into problems getting warranty coverage for failures associated with those parts or modifications, especially if the parts are designed for racing or high performance. And as always, consult with a local attorney when in doubt.
 
It's from Steve Lehto, who is awesome, it doesn't take long to read and I bolded the important conclusion so it was very clear for everyone

your misunderstanding is a pretty common one, so i didn't anyone to get screwed

tl;dr
they could potentially deny some kinds of drivetrain failures because of your lift and tires, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they would. if your lift and tires are modest they would probably be less likely to try to claim that it is the cause of the failure, but that is just conjecture.
 
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It's from Steve Lehto, who is awesome, it doesn't take long to read and I bolded the important conclusion so it was very clear for everyone

your misunderstanding is a pretty common one, so i didn't anyone to get screwed

i didnt misunderstand anything. in both posts i quoted people are saying that their warranty is going to become void. THE WARRANTY.

you're right, Jared Leto is awesome.
 
Did your dealer install the lift? If not, your have bigger warranty concerns than tires. If so, then put whatever tires on you like. If you run into problems, just put the stock size on before you take it in. Honestly, my speedo/odo is more accurate with 285/70/17 than it was stock. Don't even consider a speedo correction

Depends, when I went from my factory P265/70R17 to LT285/70R17's I was off on my speedo. At 70mph I was doing close to 73-74 per my GPS.

If you change more than 1 tire size I would have it done. It's simply plugging into your ECU and resetting the tire size in there. But it's not like you're going from 31" to 38". The difference in speed and odometer will be minor.

You cannot calibrate the speedometer on a Toyota, even with the factory scantool. If you want to calibrate/adjust for different tire size you need to look at aftermarket solutions such as a SpeedoHealer or something similar.

see above where i mention the magnusson-moss warranty act.

Magnusson-Moss does not entirely cover aftermarket performance modifications, that's a very grey area.
 
if you are just pedantically trying to point out that it doesn't void the warranty completely (or at all really, it's just that the new modifications aren't covered), the way you phrased it was not very clear and could have easily been misunderstood by the OP. The OP was trying to ask if his repairs would be covered, and the answer is that potentially some of them might not be.
 
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