Towing a trailer with a manual transmission

runandrew

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Hi guys, new to the forum here. I have a 2000 4Runner V6 with a manual transmission, the truck is completely stock. I am planning on towing a u-haul 4x8' trailer (single axle, no brakes). The empty weight of the trailer is 900 lbs, and I plan on putting no more than 300 lbs in it.

This is going to be one trip, and it's less than 200 miles away, slight hills at the worst. Is there anything that I should be worried about?

Thanks.
 
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Guys haul boats that weigh more than that with stock rigs. You will be solid. Just give you're self room to stop and you will be fine.
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You'll be fine, I've done that numerous times with my four cylinder. Just give yourself plenty of room and take your time.
 
Thanks for the responses guys, makes me feel a lot more confident. Any tips that you guys have since it will be a manual transmission. What steady-state RPM's should I try to hit? Should I avoid 5th gear (I know in auto's you turn off O/D, not sure if that's the same thing)? And when you say leave a good amount of room, how much room are we talking about?
 
I'd leave it in 4th. Remember manuals are much better for towing, they are way simpler, don't really heat up like autos and you are in full control of the motor speed and controlled deceleration. I'm not a fan of towing with autos, I'd rather downshift then just hit the brakes. Also almost all long haul trucks have manual transmissions, and there's good reason for it.
 
I agree with the guy above. Guys here tow heavier things than that with their auto transmissions; you'll be better off with your 5 speed. I wish I could have my Limited in a 5 speed... :cry:

EDIT: Forgot to mention, like somebody else said, give yourself PLENTY of room to stop. Stock 4Runner brakes suck.
 
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you should still perform all the usual routine checks and so forth too, tire pressure, brakes, usual bs....manuals are awesome for towing..like everyone said...
 
Check those lights

Don't be shocked if your towing converter black box is defective when you hook up your 4 pin connector at your truck to that of the trailer.

Renting a trailer was exactly how I discovered my 4 pin was not functioning properly.

Leave yourself some extra time when you are planning to pick up the Uhaul to check all your functions. Brake lights/turn signals and so on.

several threads about this-hopefully it will not be an issue for you

here is one:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/51283-problem-trailer-lights.html
 
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I'd leave it in 4th. Remember manuals are much better for towing, they are way simpler, don't really heat up like autos and you are in full control of the motor speed and controlled deceleration. I'm not a fan of towing with autos, I'd rather downshift then just hit the brakes. Also almost all long haul trucks have manual transmissions, and there's good reason for it.

Totally disagree on manuals being better for towing, in my opinion at least. Yes the automatic will heat up, but if the truck is below or at it's rated load then it's designed for that so that shouldn't be a relevant factor.

Otherwise you don't need to worry about shifting which should be a huge help. You don't need to worry about the clutch slipping if at an intersection or stop and go traffic, or if your on a really steep hill (hell you might even lose traction if you dump the clutch instead of slipping it, which results in the same heat as an automatic but it's not designed for it). And if you are towing livestock, you have to slip the manual to not bang the animals around, and that's even harder if you are navigating a trail to a trailhead with a trailer and need to creep around boulders. Lots of people claim that "you can control what gear and rpm the engine is out". I agree it's much easier yes, but you can control the gearing in an automatic just as much. There's a reason there's a shifter, you can override which gear the tranny will max out on if you want, otherwise the engine will be at the optimum gear and rpm.

Where I live, there are 10% grades routinely just driving to work. You will lose your brakes going down the hill once unless you downshift, and likewise if you are in a manual it's a b***h to accelerate up the hill if you have to stop part way up. As such, I don't see why some people think manuals are better for offroading, since you can't ease on the power as you like, you either slip the clutch or dump all the flywheel torque into the axles.

Is there just something that I'm missing that makes manuals better? I agree manuals are a much more efficient transmission, however a properly designed and used automatic is better in a lot of cases, especially for towing the kinds of loads our vehicles see. And you can't compare 18-wheelers to our 4Runners in terms of towing, it's like apples and oranges. Again, this is all just my opinion so please correct me if I'm wrong about some point.
 
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Thanks again for the information! I'm really not trying to start a standard vs. auto transmission war here, as I know everyone has their own opinions, desires. I'm asking about the manual because that's what I have.

Another question. People say to stay away from 5th gear, is this because by staying in 4th gear you're better prepared to engine brake? If so, if I'm on a long stretch of road and I know I'm not going to be braking anytime soon, can I shift into 5th?

Thanks.
 
There are pros and cons of each and while driving offroad with a manual can be more challenging, it also offers more control on descents and in rocky terrain. I struggle a bit with an auto when one of the tires comes up against a rock, you add power and add power then suddenly the truck lunges over the rock and you have to react quickly with the brakes. I find a manual more controlled in these circumstances.

That said, if you're not experienced with a manual on hills, you are going to struggle on steep climbs.

Also, you'll find far less manual transmission guys that have upgraded their brakes to Tundra ones. It's just not needed nearly as much when you have gears to use on descents.
 
You feel the weight a lot more on a manual because you time the shifts and there is no buffer or slipping of the transmission that hides this. I tow light loads quite often, but I used to tow slightly heavier loads with my 09 Tacoma. Everybody who had automatics said they tow a lot better then I thought, but I'm sensitive to change and felt the weight with the 6-speed where their transmissions were masking it.

These things aren't power houses, so you'll feel the weight, but just don't bog the engine, shift prior to hills, and leave lots of room for braking and don't get yourself in high accelleration situations, because you won't have it.

Should have no problems.
 
Totally disagree on manuals being better for towing, in my opinion at least. Yes the automatic will heat up, but if the truck is below or at it's rated load then it's designed for that so that shouldn't be a relevant factor.

Otherwise you don't need to worry about shifting which should be a huge help. You don't need to worry about the clutch slipping if at an intersection or stop and go traffic, or if your on a really steep hill (hell you might even lose traction if you dump the clutch instead of slipping it, which results in the same heat as an automatic but it's not designed for it). And if you are towing livestock, you have to slip the manual to not bang the animals around, and that's even harder if you are navigating a trail to a trailhead with a trailer and need to creep around boulders. Lots of people claim that "you can control what gear and rpm the engine is out". I agree it's much easier yes, but you can control the gearing in an automatic just as much. There's a reason there's a shifter, you can override which gear the tranny will max out on if you want, otherwise the engine will be at the optimum gear and rpm.

Where I live, there are 10% grades routinely just driving to work. You will lose your brakes going down the hill once unless you downshift, and likewise if you are in a manual it's a b***h to accelerate up the hill if you have to stop part way up. As such, I don't see why some people think manuals are better for offroading, since you can't ease on the power as you like, you either slip the clutch or dump all the flywheel torque into the axles.

Is there just something that I'm missing that makes manuals better? I agree manuals are a much more efficient transmission, however a properly designed and used automatic is better in a lot of cases, especially for towing the kinds of loads our vehicles see. And you can't compare 18-wheelers to our 4Runners in terms of towing, it's like apples and oranges. Again, this is all just my opinion so please correct me if I'm wrong about some point.

Driver error is the only reason I would recommend an automatic to someone towing.

Manuals can be controlled much more, even getting off the line in a manual can be smoother, but most drivers can't do that. A good driver knows how to downshift on a hill, and going downhill pulling a heavy load, I do not want to be in an auto, screw that! I want to be able to slow myself down without the brakes. The automatic WILL overide your command, the manual can't.
 
I don't know how much it weighs, but I tow a 19 foot Mako center console + gear and gas fairly regularly with my 3.4l 5-speed. The entire package has to be over 3000lbs. My only complaint is the lack of power when merging onto the interstate, but 900 lbs shouldn't be nearly as bad. I am sure the 32" mud tires don't help my cause either.

The best thing I did for my towing was the Tundra brake upgrade. The bigger brakes really help out.

Bottom line - you will be just fine.
 
Driver error is the only reason I would recommend an automatic to someone towing.

Manuals can be controlled much more, even getting off the line in a manual can be smoother, but most drivers can't do that. A good driver knows how to downshift on a hill, and going downhill pulling a heavy load, I do not want to be in an auto, screw that! I want to be able to slow myself down without the brakes. The automatic WILL overide your command, the manual can't.

Honestly I don't have a lot of experience with manual cars/trucks. So can you explain how a manual can be smoother off the line than an automatic? As I understand your either full torque from the flywheel or your slipping the clutch which is not desirable. An automatic does not have the torque spike from the flywheel.

And besides having lower gears, you can still downshift in an automatic, and I've never had issues with my gears being too high going down grades towing. Likewise you can downshift going up a hill in an automatic to stop it searching or override the computer to get more torque.

I'm sorry but I'm still not seeing how a manual is better. It may be down to preference, but I don't see any actual facts of why a manual should be superior.
 
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Sure you have to slip the clutch to get moving, but you do that every time you start out from a stop, towing or not.

Towing will require a bit more slipping of the clutch to get rolling, but you don't slip it indefinitely. The only way there would be a torque spike, is if you let the clutch out abruptly.

A manual trans. does require driver participation and skill to drive smoothly. But the reward for mastering this skill, is feeling more connected to the vehicle, and enjoying the precise control over the driveline.

Most people aren't interested in that level of driver involvement, and prefer the simple to operate automatic trans. Even at the cost of less precise driveline control.

That's the reason the manual trans. is disappearing as an option in most vehicles.
 
Honestly I don't have a lot of experience with manual cars/trucks. So can you explain how a manual can be smoother off the line than an automatic? As I understand your either full torque from the flywheel or your slipping the clutch which is not desirable. An automatic does not have the torque spike from the flywheel.

And besides having lower gears, you can still downshift in an automatic, and I've never had issues with my gears being too high going down grades towing. Likewise you can downshift going up a hill in an automatic to stop it searching or override the computer to get more torque.

I'm sorry but I'm still not seeing how a manual is better. It may be down to preference, but I don't see any actual facts of why a manual should be superior.

Manual will last many many times longer than an automatic while towing with a smart operator, as well as netting better fuel economy. You also lose power to the wheels in an automatic vs a manual.

Getting off the line in a manual especially on a hill can be much smoother, most drivers though end up making a mess of it.

You can continue having this pissing contest, but manuals with a good driver are superior for towing, it's not really an opinion, there's a reason why truckers use them.
 
Glad to have found this thread. I'm the original owner of 2000 4runner 4x4 with a 5 speed manual. We are buying a small airstream to tow and I want to get the truck set up as best as possible. Tundra brake upgrade this weekend, and a stouter suspension as well.
 

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