toyo oc at2 xt. vs bfg ko2

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LMJ10

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285/75r 17 Toyos and the new size 34/10.50 ko2. Was set on the Toyos but these ko2 look good.
 
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34's may be a hair tall for the 4R fenders and body mounts. Most of us stop at 33's (285/75-17). But it would be helpful to know how much lift you have. It looks like you have some in your picture but it's too small to make out much detail.
 
true size on new BFG 34's not much bigger than 285/70/17

I was wondering the same. Though listed as 34's, the tire diameter on the BFG's is listed at 33.5" while their 285 is listed at 32.7. The 34's would only be .8", or about 4/5" larger diameter. Also, being narrower should help in the turns for any rubbing. I also have a 3" lift and am wondering the same.
 
BFGs look great and wear well, but the Toyos will preform better on every surface and last just as long.
 
KCcarguy said:
BFGs look great and wear well, but the Toyos will preform better on every surface and last just as long.
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I can't speak to every surface, but do have a lot of experience with the KO in mud as several of my friends used them for years in mainland Mexico. The 45 degree angle tread design of the KO / KO2 gets packed with mud like any tire.

However while the All Terrain Toyos, Nittos, or AT3 tread blocks line up with the direction the tire is rotating to spin off the mud, that big angle of the KO tread is helps the mud to hang on. The same problem is going to exist with the similarly designed tread on the General Grabber.

The new KO2 does have a significantly larger side biter now to help push you through the gooey stuff. However the angled tread design remains the almost the same, and runs counter to your interests if you're in goo country.
 
Toyos are heavier 63 to bfg 57lbs. But have deeper tread 17/32 to 15/32. Anyone have experience with the extreme variant?
 
KCcarguy said:
BFGs look great and wear well, but the Toyos will preform better on every surface and last just as long.
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Toyo's on Big trucks Suck! I have run them on my Dodge Cummins and they threw tread within 12,000 miles. They replaced them under warranty and it happened again within 10,000 miles the second time. I guess they get hot under a load and then come apart. I personally know of others that have had this problem as well. On big trucks under load towing etc they just don't seem to last. I have ran BFG KO's and never had this problem. Tons of people besides my self have run with with BFG's and had zero problems other than the fact they chip out on rocky roads. I have since switched to Coppers St Maxxes and have had zero problems and am on my 3rd set. I know this is a big truck but when I spend good money and have something fail I won't buy it again!
 
LMJ10 said:
Toyos are heavier 63 to bfg 57lbs. But have deeper tread 17/32 to 15/32. Anyone have experience with the extreme variant?
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Ran the BF for years, still have them on my T4R, but running the Toyo extreme 285/75/17 on my tundra and the wear is next to none after 10,000 miles. Quiet but not sure they will handle snow like the KO's.

If you can fit them, I'd go with the Toyo, you'll be happy with them, they are close to 34"
 
I too have run bfg for a long time. Since before the original Ko. I feel old! With the price difference, maybe time for change... why t4r concern for snow?
 
Taco04 said:
Toyo's on Big trucks Suck! I have run them on my Dodge Cummins and they threw tread within 12,000 miles. They replaced them under warranty and it happened again within 10,000 miles the second time. I guess they get hot under a load and then come apart. I personally know of others that have had this problem as well. On big trucks under load towing etc they just don't seem to last. I have ran BFG KO's and never had this problem. Tons of people besides my self have run with with BFG's and had zero problems other than the fact they chip out on rocky roads. I have since switched to Coppers St Maxxes and have had zero problems and am on my 3rd set. I know this is a big truck but when I spend good money and have something fail I won't buy it again!
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I've been happy with mine. 35k miles so far and plenty of tread left. You're the first person I've ever heard claim Toyos were a poor quality-tire. Makes me wonder what load rating and PSI your friend was running.
 
LMJ10 said:
why t4r concern for snow?
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You didn't specify what kind of conditions you normally drive in so I think people just think of their own use or experience. Pavement only? Dirt roads? Trails? Mud? Rocks? Lots of rain or snow?
 
I have had numerous sets of BFG ATs over the last 20 years. Even had a 1st gen set on an old truck I bought back in the 90s, up to the current KOs. Last year I decided to try a set of Toyo AT2s (285/65/18)on my F150. In that size, the Toyos use their "extreme" tread design. Basically the same tread pattern but spaced a little further apart and a hair or two deeper. I have also ran a set of 1st gen Toyo ATs on a different truck years ago. Granted, I don't have a set of KO2s to compare but here are some of my thoughts when comparing the Toyo AT2 to the BFG KO AT;

The tread design and sidewall of the Toyos look cool. At the time not a lot of folks had them and I was asked quite a bit what tire that was. The sidewall is just as thick, if not thicker, than the BFG.

The Toyos balanced great. Each tire only needed about .75 oz of weight, one tire required NO weight. No noticeable runout on the Toyos, these tires were like perfect circles. The original Toyo ATs were usually very good about this as well. I've had balancing and runout issues with BFGs before. Advantage: Toyo

The Toyos rode great. Really smooth for an "E" load range tire. With that being said, the truck I had before my F150 had "E" load range BFGs and they also rode very nice. I would say it's a tie in this category.

Even though the Toyos rode great, they were pretty loud for an AT tire. Below 50 mph the noise level is pretty even with the BFG but over that speed the Toyos would howl like a MT tire. I was pretty shocked at how loud the Toyos were. The 1st gen Toyo ATs were not loud at all. I guess I'm getting old but I did not like the noise. Over 55 mph, the Toyos are much louder than the BFGs. Advantage: BFG

Both the BFG and the Toyo in the 285/65/18 size are heavy. Both weigh in at 58 lbs. Going from a light "P" series tire (~40 lbs) to the Toyos resulted in a 4 mpg loss. Based on my very scientific internet research, others had similar results when running the same size BFG on F150s. Tie

The grip with the Toyos was really good in all conditions. I had the Toyos in a little over a foot of snow to a sheet of ice. I had to try to break them loose in those conditions. I've also had very good luck with BFGs in the winter as well. Although the Toyos are not severe snow rated, like the BFGs, I wouldn't hesitate to use them in the winter. The Toyos also did good in mud, although I didn't see a whole lot of mud. Seen a fair share of pointy, jagged rocks and the Toyos had no problems whatsoever. To be fair, I've never had an issue in the rocks with the BFGs either. I drove across a lot of gravel roads with the Toyos but they never had signs of chunking like some of the BFGs get.

I had to bump up the pressure more when towing to get rid of that squirming feeling when towing heavy with the Toyos vs. the BFGs.

In all, I put about 20k miles on the Toyos in less than a year. With 5k tire rotations, the Toyos had very little wear. Again this was on a tuned ecoboost F150 and I due tend to have a heavy foot at times. Based on past experiences with the BFG KO, I do believe the Toyo AT2 will last longer.

I may try another set of Toyos down the road. Toyo does offer more sizes and more unique sizes vs. BFG. However, I didn't like the noise and Toyo doesn't offer a "C" load range 265/70/17 so I went with another set of BFG KOs on my 5th gen. FWIW, I know a few folks with the Toyos in a "P" series that claim they are very quiet. I may get a set of KO2s for my 4th gen in a few months. Then I can compare those to the KOs as well as the Toyo AT2.

Sorry for the long post!
 
gm350reratliff said:
I have had numerous sets of BFG ATs over the last 20 years. Even had a 1st gen set on an old truck I bought back in the 90s, up to the current KOs. Last year I decided to try a set of Toyo AT2s (285/65/18)on my F150. In that size, the Toyos use their "extreme" tread design. Basically the same tread pattern but spaced a little further apart and a hair or two deeper. I have also ran a set of 1st gen Toyo ATs on a different truck years ago. Granted, I don't have a set of KO2s to compare but here are some of my thoughts when comparing the Toyo AT2 to the BFG KO AT;

The tread design and sidewall of the Toyos look cool. At the time not a lot of folks had them and I was asked quite a bit what tire that was. The sidewall is just as thick, if not thicker, than the BFG.

The Toyos balanced great. Each tire only needed about .75 oz of weight, one tire required NO weight. No noticeable runout on the Toyos, these tires were like perfect circles. The original Toyo ATs were usually very good about this as well. I've had balancing and runout issues with BFGs before. Advantage: Toyo

The Toyos rode great. Really smooth for an "E" load range tire. With that being said, the truck I had before my F150 had "E" load range BFGs and they also rode very nice. I would say it's a tie in this category.

Even though the Toyos rode great, they were pretty loud for an AT tire. Below 50 mph the noise level is pretty even with the BFG but over that speed the Toyos would howl like a MT tire. I was pretty shocked at how loud the Toyos were. The 1st gen Toyo ATs were not loud at all. I guess I'm getting old but I did not like the noise. Over 55 mph, the Toyos are much louder than the BFGs. Advantage: BFG

Both the BFG and the Toyo in the 285/65/18 size are heavy. Both weigh in at 58 lbs. Going from a light "P" series tire (~40 lbs) to the Toyos resulted in a 4 mpg loss. Based on my very scientific internet research, others had similar results when running the same size BFG on F150s. Tie

The grip with the Toyos was really good in all conditions. I had the Toyos in a little over a foot of snow to a sheet of ice. I had to try to break them loose in those conditions. I've also had very good luck with BFGs in the winter as well. Although the Toyos are not severe snow rated, like the BFGs, I wouldn't hesitate to use them in the winter. The Toyos also did good in mud, although I didn't see a whole lot of mud. Seen a fair share of pointy, jagged rocks and the Toyos had no problems whatsoever. To be fair, I've never had an issue in the rocks with the BFGs either. I drove across a lot of gravel roads with the Toyos but they never had signs of chunking like some of the BFGs get.

I had to bump up the pressure more when towing to get rid of that squirming feeling when towing heavy with the Toyos vs. the BFGs.

In all, I put about 20k miles on the Toyos in less than a year. With 5k tire rotations, the Toyos had very little wear. Again this was on a tuned ecoboost F150 and I due tend to have a heavy foot at times. Based on past experiences with the BFG KO, I do believe the Toyo AT2 will last longer.

I may try another set of Toyos down the road. Toyo does offer more sizes and more unique sizes vs. BFG. However, I didn't like the noise and Toyo doesn't offer a "C" load range 265/70/17 so I went with another set of BFG KOs on my 5th gen. FWIW, I know a few folks with the Toyos in a "P" series that claim they are very quiet. I may get a set of KO2s for my 4th gen in a few months. Then I can compare those to the KOs as well as the Toyo AT2.

Sorry for the long post!
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Ron, Thanks for all your insights. It's much appreciated since I am comparing these exact tires now.
 
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