My first post in this thread..
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/159817-whats-real-scoop-about-toyota-frame-rust-2.html#post1949652
What's the real scoop about Toyota frame rust?
- Thread starter mooch91
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My first post in this thread..
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/159817-whats-real-scoop-about-toyota-frame-rust-2.html#post1949652
Yes I read that, it did not mention the condition of your control arm mount though. That was what I was requesting.
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opcorn: I'm surprised that this one is not closed yet?!
Looks like it happened to you as well. Yours is a good example of a good frame still failing. Thanks for the help.
cfranck1
New member
Sure, it rotted through in the same spot as most do. But I knew when I bought it that the frame wasn't pristine. I knew that I would have to fix it eventually.
But I did like most of the rest of the people, I MOVED ON. You deal with it. Didn't dwell on the past. What's done is done.
I work at Ford dealer here in CT and see crap thats 2 years old thats so rotted that we have to scrap the vehicle because its so bad.
And in the end, you DIDN'T buy a new vehicle, you bought USED. You want no issues, buy NEW next time.
And the older I get working in the trade; I come to the realization that ALL vehicle are complete trash. Don't care what it is or how many miles on it, how old it is. They will all eventually break down. Nothing but a bunch of nuts and bolts.
That's great, but did you coat the inside of your frame as well? You missed where it was stated that this a common point of failure and a design flaw. I apologize for expecting you followed the whole thread. I respect that fact that you have worked in the industry many years, but that doesn't make you an expert on corrosion. I would leave that with the engineers paid by Toyota to work on these vehicles. If it is common enough, and poses a safety hazard, it is negligence. I hope that your frame is still holding up, but it would be silly to think that your weld can hold up to the same stress as a single beam. For some like you, that is an ok fix. For others that know our safety is compromised, we would rather not have to worry about dieing while driving.
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SkidPalace
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Hey cfranck1,
How is the repair holding up for you? I just got back from Harbor Freight with my El Cheapo 90 amp 120V welder (on sale for $82 right now!) with a spool of .030" Lincoln flux core wire and some 2" mild steel flat and angle. I plan on performing the same exact fix as the one in your siggy.
Are going to hearing about how the LBJs are a design flaw too?!
Are they not? The were recalled in some years so Toyota must have thought so themselves!
Not everybody has the money to buy new, most likely why you bought a used slightly rusty Runner as well. This is my winter beater, and I have owned more Toyotas than you can count on your hands. I expect Toyota to be able to outlast other commonly used vehicles.
Again, please respect the analysis of the engineers that have a career working on this. It is a design flaw if it is commonly failing at the same place and the experts know about it.
Hepar
New member
2001. California for the first 10 years and Seattle after that. You will see rust out here, but you have to be out on the coast. Even then, it takes far longer to rust than the east coast.
cfranck1
New member
Its still there!! Still looks good! Did it 12 /2011. I did take my muffler down, it made the whole job easier with it out of the way.
I can now clearly understand why you are looking for someone else to blame for your 4Runner's maintenance neglect. And your lack of due diligence in thoroughly inspecting an old 4Runner, before buying. You apparently are unwilling to take on responsibilities for yourself.
Here, I'll BOLD the pertinent part of my prior post for you.
Merely bolding and re-quoting yourself does not mean you have answered my question. Let me explain again.
Are you positive your control arm mount is ok? I was requesting this information, not on your care of your rust. In all honesty I can't take you seriously. Maybe I will try bolding random phrases in hopes of passing some sort of understanding onto you.
I will type slowly, so maybe you will understand. Even though I am repeating myself (and wasting my time) at this point. There is no rust on my '97 4Runner undercarriage.
That means there is NO RUST.
NO RUST ANYWHERE ON MY UNDERCARRIAGE.
One last time, THERE IS NO RUST ON MY UNDERCARRIAGE.
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Hepar
New member
I will type slowly, so maybe you will understand. Even though I am repeating myself (and wasting my time) at this point. There is no rust on my '97 4Runner undercarriage.
That means there is NO RUST.
NO RUST ANYWHERE ON MY UNDERCARRIAGE.
One last time, THERE IS NO RUST ON MY UNDERCARRIAGE.
:doh:
OK, but is there rust?
T4R2014
Elite Member
I will type slowly, so maybe you will understand. Even though I am repeating myself (and wasting my time) at this point. There is no rust on my '97 4Runner undercarriage.
That means there is NO RUST.
NO RUST ANYWHERE ON MY UNDERCARRIAGE.
One last time, THERE IS NO RUST ON MY UNDERCARRIAGE.
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So your control arm mount isn't rusted? :dizzy:
cfranck1
New member
I will type slowly, so maybe you will understand. Even though I am repeating myself (and wasting my time) at this point. There is no rust on my '97 4Runner undercarriage.
That means there is NO RUST.
NO RUST ANYWHERE ON MY UNDERCARRIAGE.
One last time, THERE IS NO RUST ON MY UNDERCARRIAGE.
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What are you trying to say?! You have no rust on your undercarriage?
You can repeat it until you are blue in the face, but some people just have "Selective Reading":ybrick:
What are you trying to say?! You have no rust on your undercarriage?
You can repeat it until you are blue in the face, but some people just have "Selective Reading":ybrick:
And some people just don't believe it.
Nelsonmd
New member
I will type slowly, so maybe you will understand. Even though I am repeating myself (and wasting my time) at this point. There is no rust on my '97 4Runner undercarriage.
That means there is NO RUST.
NO RUST ANYWHERE ON MY UNDERCARRIAGE.
One last time, THERE IS NO RUST ON MY UNDERCARRIAGE.
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Maybe so , but that really depends on what your definition of is is.
I do have to take a bit on exception to this, though I think I agree with the overall point. Todays vehicles are not all trash. Cars are better than they have ever been in history. We have never had such high quality, long lasting vehicles across the market as we have today. They are also more complex and more expensive, though not once you account for inflation. They are harder to work on due to the complexity, which I HATE, but they are are better in almost every way to cars from 50 years ago; safety, reliability, capability, efficiency, ease of use, etc...
All that said though, you are exactly correct that everything will eventually break down. Cars are made of steel and aluminum, both of which corrode. No matter what sealants you put on them, you will never have 100% seal, so when we put them through the salt bath that is winter in the north, pretty much any metal is going to fail. Even stainless will rust in a salt bath.
Now we could coat everything with tantalum and rubber coating, but that would get a little pricey...
Or we could find something better to put on our roads, or just learn to drive. But I don't think either is going to happen any time soon.
Amen to that. I learned to drive in a 1969 Ford Falcon, with unassisted steering and unassisted drum brakes. I was later driving a 1979 Ford station wagon. I don't ever want to drive a carbureted vehicle with an automatic choke and automatic transmission in the winter again. I don't ever want to drive a car again with bias ply tires.
I remember the days when a four year old car with 60,000 miles was "old" and reliability was becoming a serious issue. I also remember my first fuel injected car -- a 1987 Acura Integra -- that always started, whether the engine was cold or hot. You never had to properly pump the accelerator to start it (with a different technique for hot or cold engine). That was the first car that always started right away, every single time no matter what, and it was a revelation.
The good old days weren't.
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