What’s your hot take on 4Runners? I’ll go first:

[CajunMikeR]

You guys use blinkers? [emoji6][emoji1787]

 

[2021nightshade4x4]

The emissions systems are definitely the tricky part for the stuff after 2007. That was actually what I spent a lot of time on... preventing turbo failures caused by the extreme soot production.

The fact you actually use your '17 HO for what it's meant is what's saving you. Lots of load and heat to burn already produced soot and to enable combustion that doesn't produce it. A lot of people just drive them around as a status symbol and end up with emissions systems issues.

Start a business. Register the business in a non emissions county. Register the vehicle in that county. Don’t do anything deceptive with taxes, just arrange things so you can LEGALLY delete the truck.


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[Bmnorm2]

Then buy something different, since Toyota is so outdated. Perhaps you'd whine less. :shrug:

I think you are missing the point of this thread. I'd venture to say most of us posting here educated ourselves prior to purchase are more than happy with our 4Runners.

Would I buy mine again? In a heartbeat. As someone mentioned earlier it's the closest thing to a brand new resto-mod, which is what I desire.

The post mentions "hot take" for a reason... Thanks for your contribution!

 

[Bmnorm2]

Start a business. Register the business in a non emissions county. Register the vehicle in that county. Don’t do anything deceptive with taxes, just arrange things so you can LEGALLY delete the truck.

Got to love LLCs! My '93 came without any emissions No EGR, no SCR, no DPF, just fuel, air, and compression!

I had to get it tested when I lived in Nashville, TN. The test consisted only of idle opacity measurement. So as long as it idled "clear" you were good.

 

[RunTheJoules]

I think you are missing the point of this thread. I'd venture to say most of us posting here educated ourselves prior to purchase are more than happy with our 4Runners.

Would I buy mine again? In a heartbeat. As someone mentioned earlier it's the closest thing to a brand new resto-mod, which is what I desire.

The post mentions "hot take" for a reason... Thanks for your contribution!

Oh.. well I wasn't replying to you, so.. :shrug:

But you're welcome

 

[02SE]

Start a business. Register the business in a non emissions county. Register the vehicle in that county. Don’t do anything deceptive with taxes, just arrange things so you can LEGALLY delete the truck.


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The emissions are Federal standards. So you can be busted anywhere in the USA for a deleted Diesel engine. Although not as likely to be caught if not in an area that does emissions tests. As you noted.

The (non-deleted) truck, 4Runner, and another SUV are all tax write-offs for me.

 

[02SE]

The emissions systems are definitely the tricky part for the stuff after 2007. That was actually what I spent a lot of time on... preventing turbo failures caused by the extreme soot production.

The fact you actually use your '17 HO for what it's meant is what's saving you. Lots of load and heat to burn already produced soot and to enable combustion that doesn't produce it. A lot of people just drive them around as a status symbol and end up with emissions systems issues.

She just purrs down the road at approx. 36k GCVW.

 

[CutthroatSlam]

Yea.. Its a joke dude. I only mentioned it because a lot of people aren’t aware of anything other than pulley/belt or sprocket/chain. Each system has its advantages and disadvantages and neither is truly better, it just depends on application and customer requirements.

I was an engineer at Cummins for 5 years. I also own a ‘93 D250 with 6BT. Sounds like that 6.5 Detroit Diesel is a hunk of junk if you have to replace the entire timing assembly every 100k.


The article really isn’t meant to be a true head to head so much as a “here are some interesting things about these legendary engines”… but thanks for sharing your point of view.

I own CMI stock with a large gain and hefty dividend yield.

My 1999 Suburban with 6.5 has 234K miles on it and is doing just fine. It is a light duty diesel, thus the timing chains. They have aftermarket timing gear trains to eliminate the chain. We have 6.5s with over 200K on the chains and I just change the chain and gears on one that was at 292K miles.

The 6.5 had its issues, but there are work arounds and improvements to make them very reliable engines. I just can’t get a 3/4 ton Suburban anymore, let alone one with a diesel in it.

I only point out the deficiencies in the article because there are many here who are not proficient enough to discern truth from BS.

 

[Charles Bronson]

Then buy something different, since Toyota is so outdated. Perhaps you'd whine less. :shrug:

My dad's 2013 F-150 has the 3-flash blinker and it annoys the hell out of me every time I have to drive it. The actual blinker seems like it's an extra 3-4 inches in either direction too, so it's basically a long-travel blinker.

Three flashes for a lane change probably is enough for BMW drivers, since they rarely seem to know how to properly drive or change lanes anyway. For me, the blinker stops before I've even crossed over the line.

I get it, you think the 5th gen 4Runner is perfect in every way. I feel differently. Thank God the world isn't full of like-minded people. What a boring place that would be!

The 4Runner is a great body on frame SUV with exceptional off-road capability but is lacking in a number of key areas largely because Toyota is an ultra conservative brand doesn't want to jeopardize the most important thing to the 4Runner brand, it's bullet proof reliability. The only thing it excels at compared to it's competition is its reliability. For lots of people, reliability is king when it comes to a vehicle purchase. Take note of how many Corollas and Camrys are sold for evidence of that. LOL. I'll also add that I wouldn't consider taking any other vehicle than a Toyota truck or 4Runner hundreds of miles overlanding. It's too much of a risk.

The 4Runner is really good at what it does, but it is far from perfect. It is as old school as you can get for a present day SUV. I really do like that, it is annoying to me that Toyota has the parts necessary to make it so much better all the while still being old school in overall execution. None of the parts I'd like to see on the 5th would make it any less reliable as the parts have been field tested for over a decade and God knows, it's not like the parts themselves are significantly more expensive compared to the current hardware. We're maybe $500-$1,000 to add an 8 speed auto and various auto features. Toyota is just lazy and strings buyers along with laughable feature changes to the 4Runner over the last 5+ years. Many of the changes are simply different combinations of the same old parts to create a new 4Runner spec. LOL

I don't think any spec 4Runner is worth any more than $40K new. Beyond that, it is overpriced for what you get.

 

[Charles Bronson]

What I don't want the 6th gen 4Runner to come with is a turbo motor. Gasoline turbo motors in trucks/SUVs just don't make sense to me. Too much complication and lots of risk to the 4Runner reliability history. Plus, they really don't do better on MPGs unless you drive them softly to stay out of boost. Once on boost, they drink fuel like a motor with twice the displacement. I also don't want a mild hybrid setup either. Again, a potential reliability issue.

Sadly, my hunch is the 4Runner will come with a detuned or reduced displacement version of the twin turbo V6 used in the current gen Tundra. Toyota is likely hoping to work out the bugs of that motor before bringing it out in the 6th gen 4Runner.

 

[Bmnorm2]

What I don't want the 6th gen 4Runner to come with is a turbo motor. Gasoline turbo motors in trucks/SUVs just don't make sense to me. Too much complication and lots of risk to the 4Runner reliability history. Plus, they really don't do better on MPGs unless you drive them softly to stay out of boost. Once on boost, they drink fuel like a motor with twice the displacement. I also don't want a mild hybrid setup either. Again, a potential reliability issue.

Sadly, my hunch is the 4Runner will come with a detuned or reduced displacement version of the twin turbo V6 used in the current gen Tundra. Toyota is likely hoping to work out the bugs of that motor before bringing it out in the 6th gen 4Runner.

You aren't wrong, well said. I'm sure the twin turbo V6 will have issues, but people keep forgetting it wasn't new on the Tundra.. it was in the Lexus LS500 for a few years prior.

 

[Bmnorm2]

I own CMI stock with a large gain and hefty dividend yield.

My 1999 Suburban with 6.5 has 234K miles on it and is doing just fine. It is a light duty diesel, thus the timing chains. They have aftermarket timing gear trains to eliminate the chain. We have 6.5s with over 200K on the chains and I just change the chain and gears on one that was at 292K miles.

The 6.5 had its issues, but there are work arounds and improvements to make them very reliable engines. I just can’t get a 3/4 ton Suburban anymore, let alone one with a diesel in it.

I only point out the deficiencies in the article because there are many here who are not proficient enough to discern truth from BS.

Fair enough. I can't lie, I always wanted a 3/4 ton SUV diesel, and the suburban and expedition were really the only choice for most years.

I find it difficult it to determine the correct level of complexity and explanation for an online forum audience.

 

[jp.vegas]

Agreed. Same with auto on headlights and auto climate control. Nearly all of this stuff is STANDARD FREAKING EQUIPMENT on most every other Toyota, but the 4Runner.

This truck is an 8 speed auto, direct injection, 3 flash turn signal, auto on headlights, and auto climate control away from perfection. All of these parts have been readily available in the Toyota parts bin prior to 2010. The 8 speed auto and direct injection would yield a solid 15-20% improvement in MPGs and make the truck a bit quicker in all situations plus offer better towing and off-roading capability.

My 4Runner has auto-on headlights and auto climate control. Wtf are you on about?

 

[4Rtrailbum]

You guys use blinkers? [emoji6][emoji1787]

I'm a professional driver ( they pay me to do it ) so yes I do and I want to punch clowns in the face the cant drive correctly, yes I'm annoyed with stupid drivers.

 

[CajunMikeR]

I'm a professional driver ( they pay me to do it ) so yes I do and I want to punch clowns in the face the cant drive correctly, yes I'm annoyed with stupid drivers.

It was a joke, but...

I'm more annoyed by morons doing 10 under in the left lane, big trucks that "pass" another truck because they can do 1mph faster and take 5 miles to finally accomplish the pass while holding up traffic, those unable to make a decision at an intersection, and the inability to discern between what to do at a yield sign versus a stop sign.

 

[4Rtrailbum]

It was a joke, but...

I'm more annoyed by morons doing 10 under in the left lane, big trucks that "pass" another truck because they can do 1mph faster and take 5 miles to finally accomplish the pass while holding up traffic, those unable to make a decision at an intersection, and the inability to discern between what to do at a yield sign versus a stop sign.

I bet my W9 would give you all you can handle, no joke as I own mine and aren't restricted like company trucks, lol.

Live stock hauler so we got to go.

 

[RunTheJoules]

I get it, you think the 5th gen 4Runner is perfect in every way. I feel differently. Thank God the world isn't full of like-minded people. What a boring place that would be!

The 4Runner is a great body on frame SUV with exceptional off-road capability but is lacking in a number of key areas largely because Toyota is an ultra conservative brand doesn't want to jeopardize the most important thing to the 4Runner brand, it's bullet proof reliability. The only thing it excels at compared to it's competition is its reliability. For lots of people, reliability is king when it comes to a vehicle purchase. Take note of how many Corollas and Camrys are sold for evidence of that. LOL. I'll also add that I wouldn't consider taking any other vehicle than a Toyota truck or 4Runner hundreds of miles overlanding. It's too much of a risk.

The 4Runner is really good at what it does, but it is far from perfect. It is as old school as you can get for a present day SUV. I really do like that, it is annoying to me that Toyota has the parts necessary to make it so much better all the while still being old school in overall execution. None of the parts I'd like to see on the 5th would make it any less reliable as the parts have been field tested for over a decade and God knows, it's not like the parts themselves are significantly more expensive compared to the current hardware. We're maybe $500-$1,000 to add an 8 speed auto and various auto features. Toyota is just lazy and strings buyers along with laughable feature changes to the 4Runner over the last 5+ years. Many of the changes are simply different combinations of the same old parts to create a new 4Runner spec. LOL

I don't think any spec 4Runner is worth any more than $40K new. Beyond that, it is overpriced for what you get.

Yep, it's damn near perfect to me, but I also came from driving a 4-cyl Honda Accord for 11 years before then, and Mustang before that. :lol:

The only thing I'd change, and this we can definitely agree on, is the powertrain/drivetrain setup. The Lexus GX V8 with 6-8 gears would be great, but I can see how that would probably detract from GX sales. I'm not a fan of adding turbos either, but that seems to be the direction they're going for the next gen.

 

[CutthroatSlam]

I get it, you think the 5th gen 4Runner is perfect in every way. I feel differently. Thank God the world isn't full of like-minded people. What a boring place that would be!

The 4Runner is a great body on frame SUV with exceptional off-road capability but is lacking in a number of key areas largely because Toyota is an ultra conservative brand doesn't want to jeopardize the most important thing to the 4Runner brand, it's bullet proof reliability. The only thing it excels at compared to it's competition is its reliability. For lots of people, reliability is king when it comes to a vehicle purchase. Take note of how many Corollas and Camrys are sold for evidence of that. LOL. I'll also add that I wouldn't consider taking any other vehicle than a Toyota truck or 4Runner hundreds of miles overlanding. It's too much of a risk.

The 4Runner is really good at what it does, but it is far from perfect. It is as old school as you can get for a present day SUV. I really do like that, it is annoying to me that Toyota has the parts necessary to make it so much better all the while still being old school in overall execution. None of the parts I'd like to see on the 5th would make it any less reliable as the parts have been field tested for over a decade and God knows, it's not like the parts themselves are significantly more expensive compared to the current hardware. We're maybe $500-$1,000 to add an 8 speed auto and various auto features. Toyota is just lazy and strings buyers along with laughable feature changes to the 4Runner over the last 5+ years. Many of the changes are simply different combinations of the same old parts to create a new 4Runner spec. LOL

I don't think any spec 4Runner is worth any more than $40K new. Beyond that, it is overpriced for what you get.

I looked it up and an 8-speed automatic transmission would get you a 14% improvement in mileage. Not sure what direct injection gets you, but it comes with issues that affect longevity.

 

[2021nightshade4x4]

My 4Runner has auto-on headlights and auto climate control. Wtf are you on about?

We’re in this weird twilight zone where anything with a Limited bumper (Incl Nightshade and TRD sport) aren’t “real” 4Runners …


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[2021nightshade4x4]

I bet my W9 would give you all you can handle, no joke as I own mine and aren't restricted like company trucks, lol.

Live stock hauler so we got to go.

It’s all in the toothpick


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