Where to find 99 tall springs...

[MuteJosh]

If you want your vehicle to sit at the height of 99 Talls why not get yourself a set of stock 5th gen springs? They sit at an almost identical height and have a thicker coil diameter, not to mention you can get them dirt cheap. In this thread I shared some measurements I took when trying them out myself.

A couple things I will mention is with 5th gen springs you must use stock length shocks due to the shorter static height of the 5th gen rears. I also did not try the 5th fronts but they're basically the same as FJ fronts and those are well known for working just fine.

If 5th gen (rear) springs are nearly identical to '99 springs (providing about 1" of lift), then shouldn't they require a shock with a longer throw length?

 

[hdoggie24]

If 5th gen (rear) springs are nearly identical to '99 springs (providing about 1" of lift), then shouldn't they require a shock with a longer throw length?

I read you need to use the stock length shocks for the 99 tall springs, they are a different part number. I actually purchased 5th gen springs for cheap with the tall 99 stock shocks. I havent installed them yet though. For the front I found a used set of 99 tall springs. I'm going to see how that combo works together.

 

[yella]

99 tall shocks? Thats a first.


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[hdoggie24]

99 tall shocks? Thats a first.


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The 99 4x4 4runners that came with the tall springs used a different part number for the shocks then the same year 2wd 15" wheel model. Those are the shocks I got to use with the 5th gen springs.

 

[Desertwind16v]

If 5th gen (rear) springs are nearly identical to '99 springs (providing about 1" of lift), then shouldn't they require a shock with a longer throw length?

The reason I mention "stock length shocks" is because the 5th gen rear springs have a shorter free height then the 99 springs do. When I did the comparison I was installing 5100s (the 0-2" lift version) as well and with the extended length those shocks provide the 5th gens were a little loose at full droop. Not that they would fall out, but enough that I put my 99s back in just to be safe when I was wheeling. A stock length 3rd gen shock would not have this issue hence my suggestion. Using 4600s or something similar would make for a fantastic setup when paired with the 5th gen springs front/rear.

 

[shadow247]

I threw out my old '99s because I did not have the nerve to sell them. No sag either, unloaded, and full length on the bench. But throw some weight in the back and her ass was draggin'. Not saying yours are that way, but what counts is how they do with weight in the rear.

I have 99 with Tall springs. With 341k miles when I purchased, it suffered from serious sag. I experimented with lifts and different spring combos, but ended back up with my 99 talls, with the Daystar 1.5" spacers in the rear, and 3/4 spacers in the front. Then I added the Air Ride Helper Bags. What a difference that made! Now my rear end doesn't sag, and I can pump up the rear end for different loads.

 

[Mudeprived]

I have stock 99s up front, rear OME (mediums), and 4600 shocks. I haul a half a ton of pellets 6 times a year and the OME springs hold up very well. It sits abt 1" higher in the rear unloaded, similar to a pickup. I would not use new or old stock 99 springs if you haul or load heavy. They bottom out easily.

 

[amh181]

:crazy::ybrick:

The more I read the less I know....

 

[Ken-Cade]

Apologies in advance for beating a dead horse, but......

Just recently picked a '98 that needs a suspension revival all the way around and I have 90% settled on the 99 TALL coil route. And I, like many others, have got all kinds of question marks floating above my head..

First question is, I keep reading about 99 TALL coils, I've read through countless threads, seen pictures of the coils from different years all lined up together, and sure enough, the ones from 99 are taller than the rest. HOWEVER.. the fact that they are routinely referred to as 99 TALL coils leads me to believe that there also exists 99 SHORT or STANDARD coils, and thus, subject to mistakenly ordering the wrong p/n from any of the countless suppliers (determining which will be the next step in this grueling process).

Could someone please clarify?

 

[wettRunner]

I just lifted my 99' and replaced the original rear springs with OME 2906.
So I guess what i'm trying to say is I've got a set in my garage.


Here is how the car sat late last year.

Check out my thread to see my setup with OME 2881/ 2906

 

[JMat]

Apologies in advance for beating a dead horse, but......

Just recently picked a '98 that needs a suspension revival all the way around and I have 90% settled on the 99 TALL coil route. And I, like many others, have got all kinds of question marks floating above my head..

First question is, I keep reading about 99 TALL coils, I've read through countless threads, seen pictures of the coils from different years all lined up together, and sure enough, the ones from 99 are taller than the rest. HOWEVER.. the fact that they are routinely referred to as 99 TALL coils leads me to believe that there also exists 99 SHORT or STANDARD coils, and thus, subject to mistakenly ordering the wrong p/n from any of the countless suppliers (determining which will be the next step in this grueling process).

Could someone please clarify?

Toyota only lists one part number for the '99 rear coils as near as I can tell...

I just recently replaced the rear coils in my '98 with '99's. The difference between the 20 year old '98's and the new '99's sitting side by side was only a 1/2" which leads me to believe the '99 talls aren't what they used to be. That said... The new coils installed on my rig made a world of difference with weight in the back.

 

[Ken-Cade]

I just recently replaced the rear coils in my '98 with '99's. The difference between the 20 year old '98's and the new '99's sitting side by side was only a 1/2" which leads me to believe the '99 talls aren't what they used to be. That said... The new coils installed on my rig made a world of difference with weight in the back.

Thanks for the response.... Looking through, the listings for '99 coils on Camelback Toyota, I found three different available part numbers for the rear:
4823135190 - 2WD
4823135200 - 4WD, 15" Wheel
4823135210 - 4WD, 16" Wheel

The front coils are listed as follows:
4813135120 - 4WD, 3.4L, 15"Wheel, Right
4813135290 - 4WD, 3.4L, 15"Wheel, Left
4813135350 - 4WD, 3.4L, 16"Wheel, Left
4813135400 - 4WD, 3.4L, 16"Wheel, Right

As I understand, the differing listing numbers across the front coils is intentional to allot for driver weight.

Naturally I would have assumed that the best available option would be the 4WD, 16", but now I'm wondering, did they put the taller coils on the 15" wheels to make up for that loss of an inch?????

My '98 sits level and perhaps a little taller than I would have expected stock as it is, I wouldn't expect a huge difference going to the '99 coils, if noticeable at all (which I'm fine with), BUT.... I have noticed that the nameplate inside the door lists 15" wheels, and it's currently fitted with 16's. Leads me to believe that maybe the coils have already been replaced.

But the shocks are all but blown, doesn't make sense that the PO would have changed out the coils and not replace the shocks at the same time. Either way I plan to do Absalom's Daily Driver/Weekend Warrior - Trail Bias (minus the 1/2" lift)

Absalom's Cookie Cutter 4runner Builds

....Just a little stumped on this '99 TALL coils debacle.

 

[JMat]

But the shocks are all but blown, doesn't make sense that the PO would have changed out the coils and not replace the shocks at the same time. Either way I plan to do Absalom's Daily Driver/Weekend Warrior - Trail Bias (minus the 1/2" lift)

Absalom's Cookie Cutter 4runner Builds

....Just a little stumped on this '99 TALL coils debacle.

I went with the rear coils for the 16" wheels. I have the '98 springs in the front... If I remember correctly the 96-98 have the same part number for the front coils... They didn't attempt to "level" the truck out.

You're right, PO probably wouldn't have changed the coils and not replaced the shocks... So they're probably original. Those upper shock mounts in the rear are a pain in the a$$ to remove. Mine were original and I ended up having to cut them out.

 

[Riceye]

I think referring to paint dots is the surest way to identify the 99 tall springs. My 1996 SR5 (totaled by a teenaged texter in 2013) had gone through the dealer for a sagging spring recall by its PO. The springs in it were blue/pink and blue/yellow in front, and yellow/red in the rear. Shortly before the accident I had installed a set of Bilstein shocks on all four corners. The springs and shocks were transferred to my 2000 SR5 during the interval when the texter's insurance company was jerking me around on value. The springs I swapped to the 2000 were considerably taller than the ones removed. The 2000's springs had no discernible paint marks.

Long story short, you may find 99 tall springs on 96-98's if they had a warranty update performed by the dealer. A VIN check through the Toyota owners portal should confirm the work.

 

[TheDurk]

Apologies in advance for beating a dead horse, but......

Just recently picked a '98 that needs a suspension revival all the way around and I have 90% settled on the 99 TALL coil route. And I, like many others, have got all kinds of question marks floating above my head..

First question is, I keep reading about 99 TALL coils, I've read through countless threads, seen pictures of the coils from different years all lined up together, and sure enough, the ones from 99 are taller than the rest. HOWEVER.. the fact that they are routinely referred to as 99 TALL coils leads me to believe that there also exists 99 SHORT or STANDARD coils, and thus, subject to mistakenly ordering the wrong p/n from any of the countless suppliers (determining which will be the next step in this grueling process).

Could someone please clarify?

All 4wd '99s with 16 inch trims got the talls. The 15 inch rims got a shorter spring set. They are usually separated this way in parts listings.

That said, I hated mine in back for the 15 years I had them. Get something else.

 

[Ken-Cade]

All 4wd '99s with 16 inch trims got the talls. The 15 inch rims got a shorter spring set. They are usually separated this way in parts listings.

Thanks! So this is kind of double confirmation for me. I reading through another thread on color coding (99 Tall coil color code question) and with the input I've gotten here along with what I've read that thread I feel confident that the correct Toyota p/n's for the '99 TALL coils is as follows:

4813135350 - Front Left
4813135400 - Front Right
4823135210 - Rear Both Sides

I'm not going to pay attention to paint dots or color codes, I'm going to install these based on the vehicle location for which the Toyota p/n has been assigned.

As for the ride quality, I'm convinced if I asked 10 different people I'd get 12 different suggestions. Not debunking your claim or experience with these, just saying that everyone has they're own perception of a smooth ride.

I'm going to try these out and see how it feels to me... Not looking to do an all out back woods beast build on this truck, just want as similar to stock ride on pavement with slightly more capability off road.

All that said, this is what I'm planning for this '98 (suspension wise):
'99 Talls - all four corners
Bilstien 4600's - all four corners (still debating over Bilstiens or KYB Mono's)
New UCA/LCA rubber bushings - all four corners
New sway bar/stabilizer rubber bushings - front and rear
New sway bar/stabilizer end links (rubber) - front and rear
New poly steering bushings

Still contemplating what the difference in ride would be if I went with poly over rubber bushings on the sway bar/stabilizer and end links. I've read that going to poly on just those and the steering helps it stay planted on the highway. Open to thoughts on that....

Thanks everyone for the discussion.

 

[Seefral]

Results?

I’m thinking of doing this exact same set up for coils and shocks on my 2002 Limited. Interested and how it worked out on your truck. Any information would be helpful. I’m sure others will be interested too.