Will CEL tell you to do a tune up?

SierraDan

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I'm wondering if it'll come on if the common tune up parts need replacing like the plugs and fuel filter and so on. I stopped by a local dealer to ask about the maintenance light, figuring maybe it was letting me know that my plugs were fouled. The tech said it comes on every 5000 miles just to remind you to do an oil change (must be for the women drivers) and that's all it meant, wasn't actually a warning light per say. I asked if those parts could need replacing even though there's no CEL on and he said if there's no CEL on then it's running as it should.

That doesn't seem right to me since i've owned a few cars and trucks over the years (all older than 06, most of them pre OBD2) and none would tell me when to change the plugs, I have to detect the miss myself. I'm wondering if they could be bad but no CEL. It doesn't seem to miss right now but the mileage seems like it's worse than it was when I bought it about a year ago (i've done a Magnaflow muffler and hcf delete), and there's soot buildup in the exhaust tip, so I suspect maybe bad O2 sensors but that usually does trip the CEL.

Any help/advice here is appeciated, i'm hardly a mechanic, I basically do what I can out of necessity so I don't know a whole lot.
 
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This should help explain how the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (Also referred to by many as the CEL or "Check Engine Light") works:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/151487-check-engine-trac-vsc-read-me.html

The MAINT light is just a 5,000 mile reminder for oil changes, it does nothing other than that.

As for the vehicle, if the MIL/CEL come on; the vehicle is no longer running the way it should be and is "malfunctioning" to some extent. You can have a rough idle & poor performance that isn't bad enough to set the MIL/CEL on, so to answer your question...

Yes & No, the MIL/CEL does not tell you when to service your vehicle; it tells you there is an issue with your vehicle. But that issue could be due to needing a "tune-up" (however you define that.)
 
So it could need a tuneup even though the CEL is not on? I know things like spark plugs and fuel filters are replaced every so many miles, but what about O2 sensors? Usually when those are bad they trip the CEL, but it's possible it's bad and not tripping the CEL. Is there a way to test the sensor to see if it's functioning properly short of replacing it and seeing if it's improved driveability/mileage?
 
So it could need a tuneup even though the CEL is not on? I know things like spark plugs and fuel filters are replaced every so many miles, but what about O2 sensors? Usually when those are bad they trip the CEL, but it's possible it's bad and not tripping the CEL. Is there a way to test the sensor to see if it's functioning properly short of replacing it and seeing if it's improved driveability/mileage?

Fuel filters are now typically part of the fuel pump assemblies and don't go as bad as they used to (at least on Toyotas) so don't worry about it, the pump will fail before the filter in my experience.

To properly test the O2 Sensor you'd want a Digital Oscilloscope, but usually they will set a DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Code) once they get bad enough. They could be affecting performance, but it'd be marginal at best; they also tend to last between 100k-200k but sometimes longer, they're not really a "replace at this mileage" item. The soot is more or less the build-up of soot over the years/miles more than anything, so unless its puffin' funny colored smoke I wouldn't be too worried about it.
 

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