Wondering about 4.0 V6 and Head Gasket @#6 "issue"

WHAT OF OBSERVING THE RESERVOIR COOLANT TANK?
mine drops abt 1.5'' below the full mark when cold, and rises to the full mark when driven for a while...
is this normal?
i have not observed any stumbling or rough running at cold start ups
 
WHAT OF OBSERVING THE RESERVOIR COOLANT TANK?
mine drops abt 1.5'' below the full mark when cold, and rises to the full mark when driven for a while...
is this normal?
i have not observed any stumbling or rough running at cold start ups

I think the fluctuation you are seeing is likely due to the thermal expansion/contraction of the fluid.

I'd suggest you make a mark at the cold level and another at the hot level and monitor from there.
 
sorry for kinda long.....

So, P0306.....it seems to be something of a "known issue" for the 4.0 liter engine. with higher miles. However, it's also true that reading a forum can make things look more prevalent than they really are. If 8 people all come on and say "Yea, me too"...it sounds epidemic. But maybe it's just 8 out of 300,000. Or maybe it really is a problem and needs to be considered.

Anyway,it seems that quite a few people have complained that they got the dreaded P0306 code (misfire in #6). Many then took it to the dealership who promptly nailed them for a "tune up" including plugs and a coil....only to eventually get to the real problem- "your head gasket failed at #6; and it's leaking coolant into the cylinder. You're F'd." It seems as if ALL of these people were at 120,000 - 160,000, with the majority seeming to be right at 150,000 miles.

Symptoms beside the code would be rough (as if missing a cylinder) at startup, especially after sitting for while.

I'm wondering if most or perhaps ALL V6s over 100k miles have this leak, but it's so small that it simply isn't noticed (yet); plus, it seals back up very quickly after startup, due to the intense combustion temps? After reading all the post on this subject, I'm convinced that mine has had this small leak for 100k miles now. It must just be soooooo small, that it hasn't become (and perhaps never will) a major issue. Why do I think I have a small leak, and have for long time? Here's what I've experienced-

1- maybe 10 times since I bought my truck (10 years ago) it shuddered for 5 seconds after startup....but later smooth out.
2- a couple times in summer, while climbing a hill, I could see white smoke in my rear-view mirror. Why it's only happened 3 times (that I know of)....I can't say. But I know it did happen.
3- And this is the big one for me: I pulled all the plugs. They ALL look exactly the same......except #6! It had significantly more deposits on it (not black).

Now, like I said, I'm wondering if perhaps most 4.0 engines have some leakage at #6 (seems it's an admitted design flaw, and Toyota has changed the HG design, as I understand it), but since the leak is so small, the owner is just unaware. So the real question is- how many drivers have over 175,000 miles on their 4.0 and have not seen the CEL come on, and find out it's P0306?

Sorry for the length....but this could be a serious issue for people wanting to get high-miles out of their 4Runner, like me. I wonder if:

1- everyone with over 100k miles on their truck pulled the #6 plug plus any other plug....if they'd see an obvious difference with lots more deposits on #6? or,
2- not that many would, and the real truth is that though HGs will fail on our engine, just like any engine, it's just that when it does n ours, it happens at #6.

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Again, sorry for the length.

I'm at 175k+ on my 2006 Tacoma and have never had the CEL come on at all.

It's the same 4.0 animal. I have experienced the white smoke you mentioned from time to time, and also the shudder when starting. About four times I thought the engine was going to die instead of start, but it rumbled for about a second and then straightened right back up.
My main issue is that if I am sitting in gear at idle, it feels like it starts to run rough / shake the whole truck. If I put it in Netural, it straightens out. Maybe it's just a low idle, but who knows.

I thought it might be my MAF getting gunked up from running an oiled filter, but now I'm not so sure. I should probably check my coolant level at some point, but I don't remember it being an issue when I changed my plugs.
 
2013 4 runner

I have a 2013 4Runner with 140000 kms and has been puffing white smoke at start up and now dealer says it needs head gaskets. I would say it's a v6 plague for Toyota. This is my forth Toyota and it's why I went to Toyota because they were more reliable than the others. If they are no longer reliable I might as well go with something that at least gets better mileage.
 
Wondering about 4.0 V6 and Head Gasket @#6 "issue"

I have a 2005 sr5 with 180xxx miles. Head gasket is leaking with all the obvious codes and signs. My question is has anyone tried to temporarily resolve the issue with headgasket sealer?
 
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I have a 2005 sr5 with 180xxx miles. Head gasket is leaking with all the obvious codes and signs. My question is has anyone tried to temporarily resolve the issue with headgasket dealer?

Headgasket Sealer?

Those do more harm than good from my readings .. but it's your truck. Go nuts!
 
[MENTION=137491]mgson[/MENTION] What product did you use and is it compatible with the Super Long Life Coolant? Keep us posted if things change.



I used the bars leaks head gasket sealer, and I'm issuing the long lasting Toyota coolant. So far it's holding up awesome! Took a few longs trips, drive it to work every day and went off-roading.
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[MENTION=137491]mgson[/MENTION]
Bar's Leaks has several products. Can you be more specific on which product?
Thanks.
 
Great to hear this worked. Still no negative results? I'm about to give this a try.

275,000 miles on this otherwise bulletproof 4R. Love this truck, but I'm getting the classic symptoms and lights. I did replace radiator 3 months ago as I was really consuming coolant. After that no discernible coolant loss.



Nope no negative results to report. I've been off-roading in the snow lately and have really put my truck to the test. I can't say it'll work in every scenario but it won't hurt to try. I plan on an engine rebuild but more towards the end of the year.
 
FYI That product is branded as Rislone Gasket Fix up north here.

Previously I had slow coolant use (~250ml or 1 cup per month), the odd stumble on cold starts and a wet #6 spark plug (although no codes were thrown.) It's been over a month since I used this Fix and have had zero coolant use. No intermittent stumbles. I will report back after I do the next plug change or if things change.
 
'05 4.0 at 170k - too old to replace HG?

This particular thread has proved to be the most current and on-point for my situation. Thanks to you guys for sharing your knowledge and experiences!

My 4.0 V6 is in an '05 Taco, and it has the classic symptoms of the head gasket issue, including coolant in cylinder 4. Local shop (Kelly Clark) says at 170K it's asking for trouble to replace the HG. The bottom end would likely develop problems soon after, they say. Thoughts on this?

My girlfriend has an '08 4Runner, so I'm wondering if we'll end up in this situation again with her truck. :confused:

I am original owner of the Taco, have all the regular maintenance done, don't abuse it, and I was really hoping to get 250k out of this Toyota. Is it really a bad decision to replace the HG now at 170k? I won't be doing the work myself, so it wouldn't be cheap. Other options would be to buy a used low-mileage motor from a yard and have someone install it. Also not cheap Looks like a used motor is about $2500 or so), but this might be a better long-term solution? Finally, I suppose there's always the cheap HG Fix attempt.

Again many thanks for your previous posts and any additional thoughts or knowledge you might share.

Zort
 
Has anyone here had the head gasket/cylinder #6 issue with an '06 or later? It sounds like this was an issue with earlier models and may have been fixed sometime in '05?
 
This particular thread has proved to be the most current and on-point for my situation. Thanks to you guys for sharing your knowledge and experiences!

My 4.0 V6 is in an '05 Taco, and it has the classic symptoms of the head gasket issue, including coolant in cylinder 4. Local shop (Kelly Clark) says at 170K it's asking for trouble to replace the HG. The bottom end would likely develop problems soon after, they say. Thoughts on this?

My girlfriend has an '08 4Runner, so I'm wondering if we'll end up in this situation again with her truck. :confused:

I am original owner of the Taco, have all the regular maintenance done, don't abuse it, and I was really hoping to get 250k out of this Toyota. Is it really a bad decision to replace the HG now at 170k? I won't be doing the work myself, so it wouldn't be cheap. Other options would be to buy a used low-mileage motor from a yard and have someone install it. Also not cheap Looks like a used motor is about $2500 or so), but this might be a better long-term solution? Finally, I suppose there's always the cheap HG Fix attempt.

Again many thanks for your previous posts and any additional thoughts or knowledge you might share.

Zort
I'm not sure about the age issue, but your girlfriend's 4 Runner should be fine. They updated the headgasket design somewhere in the '05-'06 years, and those supposedly no longer have the tendency to leak
 
My 2006 had the head gasket replaced by previous owner, but it was actually built in 05 (maybe before they changed the design).

When I start it, it does have a few very quick small vibrations here and there which now have me worried. I'll take a look at the coolant and make sure it isn't losing coolant. This is really freaking me out now.

Maybe i should try that sealer.
 

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