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EatonKyleH

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So you may or may not have noticed I spend a lot of time responding too and trying to help other 3rd gen forum members diagnose problems. Really it is something I quite enjoy doing... particularly electrical diagnosis.

I am a ASE certified Master Tech and ASE L1 Advanced Level Specialist and have focused most of my career on electrical and advanced driveability diagnostics and repair. And no I don't think that makes me any better than anyone here but simply that it does make me a candidate to write a guide I've found to be largely missing and likely very beneficial to this community that I've enjoyed being part of. Again this will be in no way a pathetic attempt to show off and if you've ever talked to me or received assistance from me I hope you'd agree I try to keep a professional and friendly tone.

Most people seem to think that electrical diagnosis is very complex as I once did. However I've been extremely surprised by the ease at which some forum members with little to no electrical experience have been able to pick it up and diagnose problems rather than guess at them after walking them through some basic procedures with very basic tools they often times already have.

I once hinted in a thread that I would possibly write a 3rd gen specific electrical diagnostic, testing, and logic guide and received a lot of interest in it. After some brainstorming I have now freed up a few days to focus on it and write this sucker.

WHAT IT WILL BE:

A straight up all 3rd gen specific guide to electrical diagnosis. All wiring diagrams will be 3rd gen, all examples 3rd gen, all 3rd gen sensors and component testing... all pictures taken from factory manuals, my customers vehicles, and my personal vehicle. The most advanced tool I'll incorporate is a DVOM and super basic scan tool like a scangauge.

The basics:
A quick volts, amps, ohms chat in a way that applies to fixing cars and is less about theory and laws. Straight up wiring diagram reading. Tools. Terminology. Basic logic.

Basic testing procedures:
Testing grounds, testing for power, testing for parasitic draw, voltage drop testing, resistance testing, etc. Testing for spark, fuel pressure, injector pulse, ECM timing and rpm signals.

Component testing:
Relay jumping, How to test various sensors and components. (the knock sensor, MAF sensor, ignition coils, alternators, starters, the cam position sensor, coolant temp sensor, so on and so on) Many people apply the resistance check to everything which is not the correct way to test every type of sensor.

Common CEL diagnosis:
Common codes and how to test effectively and simply with basic tools

Examples:
Problems seen on 3rd gens, how we figured it out step by step and why it all adds up. Pictures, diagrams, and examples.

Tricks to get you home:
Macgyver kinda stuff. Bypassing fuel and starting systems. Intended to get you home in a bad situation... not stealing stuff.

Logic:
What to test and why. Easiest testing first. Isolating the problem circuit.

WHAT I NEED FROM YOUUU!!!

Please comment here or PM me with anything related you'd like me to cover.
What sensors do you want to see tested, what circuits do you want gone over in testing and diagrams? What do you want to get more familiar with?

Over time I hope to compile enough information presented in a simple enough way that most will at least learn something and be able to either apply it with their own testing, aid others, or just understand the lingo your mechanic might use to tell you what is wrong.

If it sounds interesting to you let me know that you'll dig it. It will be a decent investment of my time but I'll be more happy to write it if people care.

THANKS and I'll post it up when I have a good amount to show in 2 weeks then be editing it and adding to it from there.
 
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I look forward to it.

BigFishAllDay has pretty much set the BAR for how do a write up.

I know this isn't a competition haha but I wanted to mention that.

If you haven't already look over a few of his Information/DIY/Guide threads to see what I mean.

Links, Toyota or Vendor Part #s, Pictures and attention to detail are a must.


GOOD LUCK WITH IT :)
 
I look forward to it.

BigFishAllDay has pretty much set the BAR for how do a write up.

I know this isn't a competition haha but I wanted to mention that.

If you haven't already look over a few of his Information/DIY/Guide threads to see what I mean.

Links, Toyota or Vendor Part #s, Pictures and attention to detail are a must.


GOOD LUCK WITH IT :)


Thanks! I've read most of his write ups and have an idea what's expected from the good people on this forum. I won't be putting out anything I'm not proud of.
 
ASE mechanic eh? I'm new to the Denver area as of last week and need help doing a valve cover gasket job on my 2000 runner. I wouldn't mind having an expert like yourself helping with the job and possibly looking over some other things.

BTW, Thanks for doing this thread it will be a great resource for many members.
 
People who do stuff like this is the reason why this forum is awesome. Thanks and looking forward to the write up! Can't think of requests at the moment, but will add as I think of stuff.
 
Awesome! Anything and everything. I'm horrible with wiring and electrical stuff, I always end up with a clump of tangled wires lol
 
I am all on board for it Kyle, for electrical work for me, at least, can be daunting at times, even with the right equipment. Heck, I use a long screwdriver to check for injector pulse. But that is why I have CPA and some others, not ASE, after my name.
 
I am not ASE certified, but I proclaim to be the master at 4runner wiring. I had to study every circuit trying to integrate the 2uz into the 5vz body.

I know it all. Quiz me.

I think a thread like your proposing is to busy and unsearchable.

I would do a thread with links to other threads that was easy to navigate.

I would do a thread with all the CEL codes and their fixes.

A thread on low beam fog light bypass.

A thread on a switched power antenna.

A thread on cargo area mounted gate window switch.

A thread on 12 volt outlets with power on all the time.

A thread on electrically disconnecting the ADD for 2wd low range action.

An elocker diagram.

Climate control repair.

the list goes on and on.
 
I would love this. I was never great with electrical but slowly learning! I would love a good thread on this. I'm no good with input but i'm happy to critique :) Thank you for taking the time to do this!

Ark
 
I think a thread like your proposing is to busy and unsearchable.

I would do a thread with links to other threads that was easy to navigate.

I don't think this will be busy and unsearchable at all. What may be easier is to do all the write-ups as planned but on the first or second post use a hotlink in the title of the repair to the post number that the actual repair is on. I can easily move posts around and help organize this thread if needed.
[MENTION=94888]EatonKyleH[/MENTION] One thing that I would do is make clear references to the FSM for the common tasks and maybe help elaborate on the steps per the FSM. This way everyone will feel more comfortable on doing electrical troubleshooting and repairs on their own. Most people are afraid to put a wrench on their 4runners but I think that they are intimidated by the lack of experience and mechanical confidence. If there was a "how to" that was based off of the toyota manuals then it will probably instill a good bit of confidence. I'm sure with you being a tech you have access to the FSM's but if you need a pdf file of the 3rd gen fsm let me know and I'll burn it to a cd for you this weekend.
 
As a former ASE Master Tech, heck, simply as a T4R.ORG member, I admire your willingness to take this on. I don't have the time, and if I'm honest, the patience to spend the kind of time it takes to explain how to diagnose most problems over the 'Net.

More power to you. :thumb3:
 
I think a good all around electrical diagnostic thread would be great. If you are interested I have an excellent problem for you to ponder on. It has to do with a crazy door ajar light and what appears to be an unwillingness to go off.
 
I am not ASE certified, but I proclaim to be the master at 4runner wiring. I had to study every circuit trying to integrate the 2uz into the 5vz body.

I know it all. Quiz me.

I think a thread like your proposing is to busy and unsearchable.

I would do a thread with links to other threads that was easy to navigate.

I would do a thread with all the CEL codes and their fixes.

A thread on low beam fog light bypass.

A thread on a switched power antenna.

A thread on cargo area mounted gate window switch.

A thread on 12 volt outlets with power on all the time.

A thread on electrically disconnecting the ADD for 2wd low range action.

An elocker diagram.

Climate control repair.

the list goes on and on.


I've seen many of your posts and 2uz swap thread. I have no doubt that you are extremely well versed with electrical diagnosis, repairs, and modifying these things electrically and otherwise. Honestly I don't feel the need to quiz you or feel any sense of greatness because of certifications and degrees. I myself don't claim to know it all.

It will probably wind up as several threads linked. I agree that it would be too busy otherwise.

My main goal however is to get some basic testing knowledge out there for people. I've constantly seen people use the wrong tests for sensors and components and ask how to determine which direction to go in... being spark, fuel, or otherwise and then preforming diag from there. It probably won't do a great deal for you but honestly I'm just not after trying to make it an advanced diagnostics seminar.

Keep up the good work man and I'll try to hit some items you mentioned.
 
As a former ASE Master Tech, heck, simply as a T4R.ORG member, I admire your willingness to take this on. I don't have the time, and if I'm honest, the patience to spend the kind of time it takes to explain how to diagnose most problems over the 'Net.

More power to you. :thumb3:

Haha well thank you kindly. When my fingers hit the keyboard the other day to start this beast I was a bit taken back with what I'm attempting to bite off here.
 
ASE mechanic eh? I'm new to the Denver area as of last week and need help doing a valve cover gasket job on my 2000 runner. I wouldn't mind having an expert like yourself helping with the job and possibly looking over some other things.

BTW, Thanks for doing this thread it will be a great resource for many members.

Thanks!
And PM me if you really are interested in my assistance. I am in Fort Collins but in Denver fairly often. We could probably work something out.
 

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