Worst Y-pipe Design ever - 2003 V8 4runner

I've thought that before too considering that my other car is a 99 Ford Mustang Cobra with a 4.6L V8. I know it's comparing a sports/pony car vs a truck engine but stock it made 320 hp and 317 lb-ft of torque.

Add in that Toyota overrated the 2005 engine saying it made 270/330 when it was really 260/306 when rerated and it makes the 2UZ-FE look more anemic. Considering both are DOHC, 4V per cylinder engines of about the same displacement you would think the power numbers would be closer, especially considering the 2UZ-FE has VVT-i on the intake side and a tad more compression than the 4.6. I will definitely say that the 2UZ-FE has a broader torque band the 4.6 though.

If we look at similar engines from the era though the Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7 from 2005-2007 only made 230/295. It was a SOHC engine and only had 2 valves per cylinder and lacked any variable valve timing so it's lower output is to be expected. Though they did boost power significantly in 2008 up to 305/334.

Ford F150's 4.6L truck motor made 231/293 for 2004-2005 and 248/294 for 2007-08. Again this was a SOHC 2V per cylinder engine.

In the Explorer, the 2002-04 4.6 made 238/282. From 2006 onward it was a 3V design and it made 292/315.

As far as GM, from 2004-2006 their 4.8L pushrod V8 made 285/295 in the Silverado.

So it looks like the 2UZ-FE had more advanced technology than all of them but very middle of the road output.

That's actually a fair assessment, if I get bored I may dig up the comparisons of sub-5.0l Cast Iron Block/Aluminum Head V8 engines I did when I spent way too much time in one of those "V6 vs. V8" threads.

Basically the 2UZ-FE is not a speed queen, nor is she a powerhouse; but what she does do good is straddle the line of solid construction, reliability, mild complexity (i.e. Single VVTi, Electronic Throttle, some more modern touches without going too crazy such as BMW's leaky/occasionally operating VANOS and Valve-tronic systems or GM's really weird deal with V8 cylinder heads; hell I'll even throw in the very powerful Hemi engines... well they are powerful when they're not wiggling valve seats like toddler with their first baby tooth or other issue they have.) From the very beginning the 2UZ-FE was designed specifically for the Land Cruiser application where a high torque, low power band, very reliable engine was needed in a global vehicle that needs those features (granted the majority of mall crawling LC100's in the US are not entirely representative of the Land Cruiser marque), not a "F1 Car Inspired Race Engine" like the 1UZ-FE in the old LS400; people forget that V8's come in many flavors and not all of them are "Let me burn my tires out at the stoplight to impress this chick, but not really be able to tow a trailer" sports car engines (not that I don't like sports cars). People tend to forget that the V8 is liked by many fleets and work vehicles because that low end torque is easily achievable, where as to make a V6 get that low a torque band and have enough speed to get out of it's way requires a bit more technology and tweaking.

The 2UZ-FE makes a decent amount of power over a wide, low torque band and is mated to a fairly well geared drivetrain to take advantage of that. It's no numbers queen (and lets be honest here, why are we looking at HP in a work engine? it's a fairly good 300ftlbs engine) but she does pull hard when you need it. I did chuckle a bit on the 330 goof, but it doesn't surprise me because the main benefit of VVTi is not so much producing MORE power as it is giving you a wider band to play with that power; the ability to adjust the valve timing in various places lets you tweak the torque band a bit so you can get that power lower and higher without suffering from that cool sounding, but very power-inefficient "V8 Cam Lope".

The low numbers are probably more of Toyota being conservative in their engine design vs. pushing it too far and decreasing the reliability. I genuinely rarely hear bad things about the 2UZ-FE in terms of reliability besides bent connecting rods from the old supercharger kits (which is sort of something Toyota probably shouldn't have made thinner than their 1UZ-FE brethren in the grand scheme of things, but if you're gonna boost an NA engine you need to build it up regardless if you want reliable and significant power improvement) and the once in a blue moon dingbat who ran their timing belt too long and it snapped or somehow managed to overheat the engine and toasted it.

Post Note-

I was surprised to see that the 2GR-FKS in the new Tacomas actually puts out a bit less power (both ft.lbs and HP) than the older single or dual VVTi 1GR-FEs in the J120/J150 platforms. I want to say that the torque band is much peppier though than the 1GR-FE's and while the 6spd is a bit confused on how it wants to transmit power in the higher end and at take-off; it does feel like it has a bit more pull than previous engine. Time will tell I suppose.
 
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Whats the likelihood of the DT headers GB going through for the 2003-2004?

It will be happening. I'm committed to making it work out! I have been in frequent contact with the sales rep over at DT. They just finished a set on a 03 they had in the shop. The next step is verifying and finalizing everything, then into production.

Just follow along in the other thread as I will be updating there.
 
It will be happening. I'm committed to making it work out! I have been in frequent contact with the sales rep over at DT. They just finished a set on a 03 they had in the shop. The next step is verifying and finalizing everything, then into production.

Just follow along in the other thread as I will be updating there.

You are Santa Clause to me……
 
You are Santa Clause to me……

Well aren't you sweet! lol

When I first bought this I looked at headers, was upset and how little this vehicle is supported in the aftermarket. When running into Doug Thorley Headers at SEMA I knew right away what was going to happen for me!
 
This topic has been going on for years now but when this comes to fruition you're going to make a lot of people happy. DT had zero interest for a while.
 
I'm surprised that they didn't start with the '03~'05 unit first. I would imagine the lack of an air pump system would have made it easier...
 
I'm surprised that they didn't start with the '03~'05 unit first. I would imagine the lack of an air pump system would have made it easier...

03-04 is only 2 years, the 05-09 is 5 years of vehicles. Plus the GX470 and Land Cruiser with the same motor...so it makes sense to me. The 2003-2004 required a little extra changing of the design to make it fit since its slightly tighter than the 05-09
 
Old thread......I just replaced my OEM y-pipe with the Magnaflow y-pipe and cat.

Huge difference in throttle response and low end (I have CAI and Gibson exhaust already). Great mod that cost me $166.00 shipped and $100 cash to put on with new gaskets.

Very worth while mod for the money on the 4.7L. Truck did not get any louder, but sounds a little throatier. Its stainless so there's some weight savings as well.
 
Old thread......I just replaced my OEM y-pipe with the Magnaflow y-pipe and cat.

Huge difference in throttle response and low end (I have CAI and Gibson exhaust already). Great mod that cost me $166.00 shipped and $100 cash to put on with new gaskets.

Very worth while mod for the money on the 4.7L. Truck did not get any louder, but sounds a little throatier. Its stainless so there's some weight savings as well.

Care to share where you got this smokin deal? From my seat it looks like it's pretty well price fixed at $221. Thanks.
 
You know, the shop that did my whole exhaust charged me $500 for custom dual exhaust from headers to rear of truck so I'd think you could get a y-pipe made for $100-200 depending on region.

Sent from the drivers seat of my 05 4runner.
 
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..Just for reference, here is a stock 04 Limited. I think there may be a change from 05 and up. I'll put my car (05) up tomorrow and compare pics.
 
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..Just for reference, here is a stock 04 Limited. I think there may be a change from 05 and up. I'll put my car (05) up tomorrow and compare pics.

V6 and V8 might be different too. My 05 V8 looks way different than that. Crosses over behind the crossmember and no rear resonator before the y pipe. Without looking at the part drawings I would say there are at least 3 different exhaust setups. One for each of the V8s and at least one for the V6.
 
IIRC, you are correct. i have access to all 3. Now, I'm currently gathering piping to make y-pipe. i will make my own thread once i get started.

OP, excuse me for the thread jack.
 
Ya there's also California spec and not. Cali spec has 4 cats, 2 on each side. Regular had the cat on each manifold then 1 after the y comes together. Mine was cali spec and as [MENTION=130999]Inv4drZm[/MENTION] described.

Sent from the drivers seat of my 05 4runner.
 
The place below had a 25% discount if you signed up with your email when I ordered it two weeks ago.

$221 - 25% = $165.75 + free shipping

Planet Magnaflow
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Planet Magnaflow – A Pro3 Industries Company. 480 N Dean Rd Auburn, AL 36830 | 855.289.7763
 
Ya there's also California spec and not. Cali spec has 4 cats, 2 on each side. Regular had the cat on each manifold then 1 after the y comes together. Mine was cali spec and as [MENTION=130999]Inv4drZm[/MENTION] described.

Sent from the drivers seat of my 05 4runner.

Good to know. I was under the assumption that all 4th gens were Cali spec. regardless of what state it was sold in.
 
Good to know. I was under the assumption that all 4th gens were Cali spec. regardless of what state it was sold in.
I would think so too, but I've seen several with only 3 cats. Not sure why they did that. Maybe it's a year thing, not 100% sure.

Sent from the drivers seat of my 05 4runner.
 

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