Your VW TDI might be a criminal

[Robb235]

I asked this question in another thread, but I'll ask it here too. Surely the hard core enthusiasts who tune these things and dissect the ECU already had some idea that VW was doing this? I don't know much about tuning Volkswagens, or diesels for that matter, but I think the software they use is called "VAG"? Vag... lmao... But surely that software can see exactly what the ECU is doing and someone had noticed it?

 

[1engineer]

I asked this question in another thread, but I'll ask it here too. Surely the hard core enthusiasts who tune these things and dissect the ECU already had some idea that VW was doing this? I don't know much about tuning Volkswagens, or diesels for that matter, but I think the software they use is called "VAG"? Vag... lmao... But surely that software can see exactly what the ECU is doing and someone had noticed it?

This VW scam was tested in West Virginia a year and a half ago and that is when the problems were found. It didn't make the "news" until recently when the EPA had all their ducks in a row. Many of us locally knew about it.

 

[turbo8]

This VW scam was tested in West Virginia a year and a half ago and that is when the problems were found. It didn't make the "news" until recently when the EPA had all their ducks in a row. Many of us locally knew about it.

Hopefully you shorted VW, if you knew about this.

 

[paddlenbike]

Hell I'd rather keep paying for the 13mpg 4runner than a volt or a prius. Anything is better than those.

I agree with the Prius comment but have you ever driven a Volt? Having 50 miles of all-electric range (on the new model) is really nice and the huge amount of torque makes it very fun to drive. There is a reason why 99% of electric vehicle owners will never return to an internal combustion engine car. Count me as one of them. (I'm keeping my 3rd gen forever though!)

 

[cashmoney]

50 miles is only 25 miles short of my one way commute (not counting jobsite visits) unless I take the toll road in which case it's only 5 miles short of that route (again, not counting jobsite visits). And there's not a car charging station near my office. I'd have to run an extension cord to it if they even plug in to 110.

The torque I'm sure would be fun but after playing with diesels and sports cars I'm spoiled to copious amounts of torque at any rpm. I'm sure the electrics are fun to drive but they'd be hard pressed to impress me.

I hope the electric cars keep improving because I do like the idea and thought of them but until I can go at least a 100-150 miles on a single charge they aren't practical either distance or price wise for me.

 

[paddlenbike]

I wasn't suggesting you drop your keyboard and run out and buy one, but if you've never driven an EV, you might be really surprised. I'm a complete car nut, the last "car" I owned was a highly modded Supra turbo, and I still find the instantaneous torque and lack of a transmission a really fun driving experience.

As far as your commute, it sounds like you could do around 3/4 of your commute on electricity alone before the Volt's gas engine would start, then you would get 43 MPG the rest of your drive--no need for a charging station, just sayin'.

Like you, I'm ready for the 150-200 mile EVs as an upgrade from my <100 mi LEAF.

 

[cashmoney]

I could. But then I'd still be in a volt.

I'm one of those typical Americans the brits make fun of that likes big engines with lots of power and cool looks and throws mileage and sensibility to the wind. With the exception of the Tesla, most EV's and hybrids look like something a child drew with a crayon. If they started looking more like this Ferrari LaFerrari Reviews - Ferrari LaFerrari Price, Photos, and Specs - Car and Driver I'd be more inclined to like them.

 

[AKmoney]

The office park I work in installed new EV chargers last week. Since Kia Motors USA HQ is right down the street, the property management company got them to bring a few of their new Kia Soul EVs out for test drives - it didn't hurt that they baited me with a free lunch coupon. I was sufficiently impressed by it. It was silent, smooth, rode nicely and had plenty of scoot. Based on my driving requirements for work, a Volt would be a better option for me, however.

If there's any one thing that really appeals to me about these EVs and plug-in hybrids it's the tax rebate. Uncle Sam gives me $7,500 back to drive one. California offers another $1,500+ on top of that. How many other opportunities do "angry white men" like me have to get a government handout? The tax rebates have the potential to create really favorable lease terms - for example, a Fiat 500e can be leased for <$100/mo in these parts. After you factor in the fuel savings it's almost like having a free car.

BTW - leasing is the way to go on these cars, IMHO. The technology is evolving too rapidly and the resale values SUCK. Look at what a 2-year old Nissan Leaf sells for.

 

[amalik]

The office park I work in installed new EV chargers last week. Since Kia Motors USA HQ is right down the street, the property management company got them to bring a few of their new Kia Soul EVs out for test drives - it didn't hurt that they baited me with a free lunch coupon. I was sufficiently impressed by it. It was silent, smooth, rode nicely and had plenty of scoot. Based on my driving requirements for work, a Volt would be a better option for me, however.

If there's any one thing that really appeals to me about these EVs and plug-in hybrids it's the tax rebate. Uncle Sam gives me $7,500 back to drive one. California offers another $1,500+ on top of that. How many other opportunities do "angry white men" like me have to get a government handout? The tax rebates have the potential to create really favorable lease terms - for example, a Fiat 500e can be leased for <$100/mo in these parts. After you factor in the fuel savings it's almost like having a free car.

BTW - leasing is the way to go on these cars, IMHO. The technology is evolving too rapidly and the resale values SUCK. Look at what a 2-year old Nissan Leaf sells for.

If you have a short commute, a lease wouldn't cancel out what one would normally pay in gas. But, for long commutes -- I think it may be worth it for some.

 

[RandyDaytona]

"November 3, 2014 – Korean automakers Hyundai and Kia agree to pay a $100 million fine for overstating the fuel economy on several of their models by as much as six miles per gallon. In announcing the fine, government officials sought to make an example of the two companies to deter further cheating."

How the Volkswagen cheating probe developed

In unrelated news, they agreed to pay another $50 for telling people that their cars were actually good...

Kidding, obviously. I know some people love their KIA's and Hyundai's. I've just never been impressed with either.

 

[amalik]

Well, almost a year later... some fines coming out now and plans to address the issue.

Volkswagen agrees to record $14.7 billion settlement over emissions cheating

Up to $10 billion of the funds will be paid out to owners of the 487,000 affected diesel cars in the U.S., sold under the VW or luxury Audi brands. How much an owner gets will depend on whether an owner chooses to fix their car or just have VW buy it back -- they have until May 2018 to decide.

Repurchasing the cars will cost VW between $12,500 to $44,000 per car. The $14.7 billion settlement estimate assumes that all the cars are repurchased.
Owners who elect to get their vehicles fixed will also get a cash payment of between $5,100 and $10,000 to compensate them for the lost value of the cars, as well as for Volkswagen's deceptive promise of "clean diesel." Most of the buyers paid extra for a car with a diesel engine.

 

[amalik]

fixed and $10k of cash ain't bad if you fell into that category.

 

[Mr. Pink]

fixed and $10k of cash ain't bad if you fell into that category.

the final numbers on my TDI(2010) are as follows

$13,675-$15350 buyback value, and $5100 cash.

 

[amalik]

the final numbers on my TDI(2010) are as follows

$13,675-$15350 buyback value, and $5100 cash.

Good deal?

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[Mr. Pink]

Good deal?

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seeing that i owe 8k on it and they are giving me pre scandal KBB value for it and cash. You can bet your ass it's a good deal.

 

[5ontheFloor]

Yeah looks like it might work out for some of those in your category. Class action would suck then the lawyers just get everything