20 inch wheels on LIMITED
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Michelin Defender 275/55r20 on stock 2012 LTD rims
So it looks like there have been many who made the jump to the larger / better 275/55r20 on the 7" stock limited rims. My 2012 is finally getting to the point where I need to replace the stock Dueler H/T 684 II tires at 50k miles. Those tires were OK, but I really like the idea of having a larger tire.
I've been researching for about a week and was really looking at the Defender LTX M/S in 275/55r20. I went as far as to drive over to the local Discount Tire store, after talking with the guy over the phone and confirming 1.) yes they have the tire and 2.) yes it will fit on my stock 20" rims that are in fact only 7" wide. But when I got there he started entering the order into the computer system and after a few minutes basically said, "sorry, I can't actually sell you these" ....... wtf
Just wondering if anyone out there has installed Michelin's in this size (either Defenders, or Premier's) on the stock rims and have you had any problems?
If I can't find some solid info I might be forced to just go with the stock size, of which there are only about 3 options ........... none of them good.
Thanks Toyota!
So it looks like there have been many who made the jump to the larger / better 275/55r20 on the 7" stock limited rims. My 2012 is finally getting to the point where I need to replace the stock Dueler H/T 684 II tires at 50k miles. Those tires were OK, but I really like the idea of having a larger tire.
I've been researching for about a week and was really looking at the Defender LTX M/S in 275/55r20. I went as far as to drive over to the local Discount Tire store, after talking with the guy over the phone and confirming 1.) yes they have the tire and 2.) yes it will fit on my stock 20" rims that are in fact only 7" wide. But when I got there he started entering the order into the computer system and after a few minutes basically said, "sorry, I can't actually sell you these" ....... wtf
Just wondering if anyone out there has installed Michelin's in this size (either Defenders, or Premier's) on the stock rims and have you had any problems?
If I can't find some solid info I might be forced to just go with the stock size, of which there are only about 3 options ........... none of them good.
Thanks Toyota!
Was thinking about up-sizing as well
Thanks for all the great photos of the 275/55's. I wanted to go wider on my 2011 Limited Rims as well, but I wasn't sure if rubbing would be an issue. Four Toyota dealers I called didn't seem to have a clue. Two questions, however: is the speedometer affected by the change in size, and is there a difference in handling with the wider tire?
Thanks for all the great photos of the 275/55's. I wanted to go wider on my 2011 Limited Rims as well, but I wasn't sure if rubbing would be an issue. Four Toyota dealers I called didn't seem to have a clue. Two questions, however: is the speedometer affected by the change in size, and is there a difference in handling with the wider tire?
See the wheel fitment guide under the speedo diff column >>> http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-g...r-5th-gen-tire-fitment-guide.html#post1550444
Where did I find that info? Here >>>> http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/92594-modifications-write-ups-quick-links-faqs.html
That guide will also answer your rubbing question. As far as handling goes... I have personally searched & found enough info on this forum to read others reviews & opinions about the handling of the tire size to make a decision & pull the trigger on buying a set. I have seen aggressive A/T's on this site in 275/55 with stock suspension & the rubbing is minimal. Keep searching, tons of info to be found.
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Miguelon
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No issues here......
Bossman
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I recently traded in my 2003 Limited V8 4WD, that had Michelin LTX M/S2s on it, for a used 2011 Limited with Yokohama Geolandars.
In doing my research on the 5th generation, tire options for the Limited's 20 x 7 rims was a concern. Specifically, very few tire options in that P245/60R20 size.
I'm going to stick to this tire size recommendation, and have narrowed down my search to the Michelin Premier LTX and the Cooper Discoverer SRX.
Premier LTX | Michelin Tires
Cooper Tire & Rubber Company - Discoverer SRX?
My choice will likely be the Michelins, having had them on my 03, and knowing how well they can perform year round.
Will be running the Geolandars through the summer, then get the Michelins in the fall.
In doing my research on the 5th generation, tire options for the Limited's 20 x 7 rims was a concern. Specifically, very few tire options in that P245/60R20 size.
I'm going to stick to this tire size recommendation, and have narrowed down my search to the Michelin Premier LTX and the Cooper Discoverer SRX.
Premier LTX | Michelin Tires
Cooper Tire & Rubber Company - Discoverer SRX?
My choice will likely be the Michelins, having had them on my 03, and knowing how well they can perform year round.
Will be running the Geolandars through the summer, then get the Michelins in the fall.
I know this thread is old but I thought I'd post my experience for those in the market. I was back and forth between the 275/55/20 and the 275/60/20. The width for both the 55 & 60 are the exact same so since I was already comfortable going from a stock 245/60/20 up to 275/55/20, I figured I might as well get a 60!
So today I pulled the trigger on a set of Michelin LTX M/S2 in 275/60/20. $1000 bucks after rebates at NTB.
I have the spidertrax spacers and a toytech 3/1.5 levelling kit already installed but there was still some decent rubbing on the body mounts at full turn. I took out my angle grinder and wore down the "nub" on the body mount and now I'm good. No need for a full blown chop, at least as far as I can see.
Anyway, below is the before and after as well as a dimensional comparison between the two. Good luck in your research. This page is super helpful.
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So today I pulled the trigger on a set of Michelin LTX M/S2 in 275/60/20. $1000 bucks after rebates at NTB.
I have the spidertrax spacers and a toytech 3/1.5 levelling kit already installed but there was still some decent rubbing on the body mounts at full turn. I took out my angle grinder and wore down the "nub" on the body mount and now I'm good. No need for a full blown chop, at least as far as I can see.
Anyway, below is the before and after as well as a dimensional comparison between the two. Good luck in your research. This page is super helpful.
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Dimensional Comparison:
Going with the 275's
Thanks for the useful info, it helps to be directed since there is so much available here. I have 265/70/17 snows on right now, and doing the math, my clearance should be almost the same, with 275/55/20's. I think there's about a 1/2 cm difference - less than 1/4 of an inch. So like the chart says, rubbing shouldn't be an issue. I'll post pics and report when I get them installed.
See the wheel fitment guide under the speedo diff column >>> http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-g...r-5th-gen-tire-fitment-guide.html#post1550444
Where did I find that info? Here >>>> http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/92594-modifications-write-ups-quick-links-faqs.html
That guide will also answer your rubbing question. As far as handling goes... I have personally searched & found enough info on this forum to read others reviews & opinions about the handling of the tire size to make a decision & pull the trigger on buying a set. I have seen aggressive A/T's on this site in 275/55 with stock suspension & the rubbing is minimal. Keep searching, tons of info to be found.
Thanks for the useful info, it helps to be directed since there is so much available here. I have 265/70/17 snows on right now, and doing the math, my clearance should be almost the same, with 275/55/20's. I think there's about a 1/2 cm difference - less than 1/4 of an inch. So like the chart says, rubbing shouldn't be an issue. I'll post pics and report when I get them installed.
265/60/20 experience?
I've been searching, but haven't found any posts with results for 265/60/20 installed on stock LE wheels. Just ordered a set of Cooper Discoverer ATP's in this size at DT. I know the common course is to install 275/55/20's...
Anyone have 265/60/20's installed? Thoughts? Issues? Rubbing?
Also curious about the effects on ride with the load rating E?
Any insights would be appreciated! Thanks...
I've been searching, but haven't found any posts with results for 265/60/20 installed on stock LE wheels. Just ordered a set of Cooper Discoverer ATP's in this size at DT. I know the common course is to install 275/55/20's...
Anyone have 265/60/20's installed? Thoughts? Issues? Rubbing?
Also curious about the effects on ride with the load rating E?
Any insights would be appreciated! Thanks...
How do you rate the ride quality and noise compared to stock?I know this thread is old but I thought I'd post my experience for those in the market. I was back and forth between the 275/55/20 and the 275/60/20. The width for both the 55 & 60 are the exact same so since I was already comfortable going from a stock 245/60/20 up to 275/55/20, I figured I might as well get a 60!
So today I pulled the trigger on a set of Michelin LTX M/S2 in 275/60/20. $1000 bucks after rebates at NTB.
I have the spidertrax spacers and a toytech 3/1.5 levelling kit already installed but there was still some decent rubbing on the body mounts at full turn. I took out my angle grinder and wore down the "nub" on the body mount and now I'm good. No need for a full blown chop, at least as far as I can see.
Anyway, below is the before and after as well as a dimensional comparison between the two. Good luck in your research. This page is super helpful.
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Dimensional Comparison:
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I have to say that the ride quality is much better but to be fair, I am comparing them to the stock Yokos which were practically bald after only 30,000 miles. Anything would have been an improvement. That said, the extra width makes the truck feel more sure footed. The added ride height is nice too, except for my wife who is 9 months pregnant. lol. My wife did say that now the truck looks like it should have been made in the first place. I love parking next to stock 4runners in parking lots to compare the before and after. Definitely happy with the upgrades I've made thus far.
There is no noticeable noise difference as far as I can tell. These tires do not have an aggressive tread pattern at all. To the off-road warriors these are basically street tires.
UPDATE:
I ended up doing a body mount chop to eliminate the minor rubbing that occurs in reverse. My wife didn't like the looks she was getting when backing out of parking spaces. Understandable. Didn't take long and I found a method online which works really well. You basically take a pie shaped wedge out of the upper and lower plates, hammer the forward-facing plate back and then weld it in place. Easily done in my driveway with a $70 wire welder from Harbor Freight, an angle grinder and some Rustoleum.
Thank you for the info, strongly considering getting these same tires on my limited.
I currently do not have spacers, do anticipate the rubbing to be pretty bad until I do add spacers?
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I think you will definitely have rubbing when turning. A 275/60/20 tire is almost 33". Also know that pushing your tires out (with spacers or wheels with less backspacing) can cause/increase rubbing since they increase the arc when in a turn. You will most likely have to do the fender liner mod and there is a high probability you will have to do the body mount chop. Lastly your spedo will be off ~4%. I would reconsider and go with a 275/55/20.
Id be less concerned with the lack of spacers and more concerned with the lack of a leveling kit. Looking at my front wheel well right now, I would think the tires would dive into the fenders pretty bad without the extra couple inches I got with the lift kit. In fact, National Tire and Battery would not have installed these tires on the truck had there not been a lift installed on it. It was the first question they asked. I recommend a leveling kit and perhaps spacers before you go with larger tires.
Side note about 60 vs 55: When the guys finished installing the tires they called me and said they weren't fitting and they had to do a 20 point turn to get it out of the stall. They recommended I go down to a 55. I said keep them on until I get there so I could see for myself. All I had to do was remove the mudflaps and a wheel well trim peice and I was able to get it home, taking wide sweeping turns to avoid rubbing. Glad I stuck with it because the 55s are noticeable smaller than the 60s when they compared put them in the shop. I wouldn't have been happy with anything less than the 60s after I actually saw them on the truck. Thing looks like it was meant to look, not modified, just done right.
Makes sense and appreciate the advice. Does that mean the 275/55/20 will not rub? (no lift, no spacer)
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The 275/55/20 will not rub with the limited rims. It's close, but there's no rub. I have a 2011 Limited, see above photo a few posts back.
rigtec
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Hi beamik,
I realize that this was an older post (you may have even resolved your choice of tire since then), but because this issue is still being beat to death to this day, I decided to address it anyway. So the local discount tire store confirmed that they had your size '275/55 R20', but when you showed up and were brought inside the bay for service, you were told N/F/G! That's because most tire manufacturers will prohibit mounting a tire that has a minimum rim installation width of even a fraction of an inch less than the safety recommendation. However... the tire manufacturers are playing it Super-Safe (Due to legal liability) when it comes to load/speed/fitment safety precautions; leaving a large safety margin for an actual catastrophic tire failure to take place. So what the tire can actually endure may be very different then what the tire will be allowed to be put through during an actual road hazard test simulation.
That said: most tire retailers will use their own discretion in a "Close call" scenario, with regard to the recognition of certain tire safety guidelines when deciding what size tires that they can Safely mount, balance, and let drive out of the door, and which ones they feel may leave themselves wide opened for disaster and impending lawsuits! I personally did my homework before "taking the plunge" and mounting an over-sized tire on my 7 x 20" stock limited rim. Not only did I have concerns about the wide tire on that narrow rim, but I was also concerned about that 275/55 R20 making contact with the front-end parts, body mounts, and who knows what else when turning the steering wheel and stomping the brake pedal... this was still a brand new truck (3,000 mi) when I was contemplating the tire swap and I didn't want to create any trouble for myself at this point!
Long story short... I made the right choice! I decided on the Gd*Yr Eagle LS-2. The price was great at only (Apprx) $760 incl. mounting/bal! Then got the $80 dollar rebate from Goodyear; which still applies today 7/6/16... so that's $680 (after rebate) that I spent. Then I sold the Geolandar 245/60 R20 with 3,000 orig miles on them for $400 bucks; which brought my full expense down to $280 dollars... this is just to give you who are in the same position as I was an idea of how to save a few bucks if you are determined to sell the new set of tires ($3,000 orig miles on them) ...$400 bucks didn't seem like robbery to me, or the buyer; who had 49,000 original miles on his 2011 SR5 and wanted to keep using the 'Yokohama' Geo, Here's a look at the New Gd*Yr Eagle LS-2:
I have NO LIFT/NO RUBBING issues. Now these tires have been on the truck for more than three years and they have literally given me no trouble at any time, so you can expect the same from these! Tire prices seem good right now but you have to shop; nothing good usually happens without you doing some form of homework, but it will pay off if you use this forum as a resource! I hope this post helps someone regarding the 275/55 R20 but the 275/60 R20 promises to bring headaches if you're planning to use them with no lift or modification...
Cheers!
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twoburgers
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Michelin Defender LTX M/S 2's in 275/55R20
Well... it was time for tires before the next inspection (41K+ on orig tires), and I decided to go with the Michelin Defender LTX M/S 2's in 275/55R20 over the Nitto TG's due to very limited off-road use. Note there are different sidewall stiffness options with the Defender, and I went with the lesser stiffness (no jokes please). Next time I will go with the stiffer sidewall option since I tow a boat at max(+) weight. I paid about $835 OTD, but have a $70 mail in rebate.
They fit w/o rubbing, have a noticeably better ride, but feel a bit "wobbly" when stressing the sidewall (quick S turns) at 35 PSI. Of course, we're talking about a 4R, but IMO the stock tires felt more planted than what I have now. Note I requested the installer put max pressure (44 PSI per sidewall), but they only put in 35 PSI.
Once I raised the fronts to 40 and the rears to 42, stability improved a bit and firmed up the ride. On the up side, they definitely fill out the wheel profile better, and will certainly offer better traction. Also, I didn't see a noticeable change in observed speedometer readings.
After towing the boat for two hours, I really didn't notice a difference in how the truck handled.
The net is that I like the tires - ride and look.
Chris
Well... it was time for tires before the next inspection (41K+ on orig tires), and I decided to go with the Michelin Defender LTX M/S 2's in 275/55R20 over the Nitto TG's due to very limited off-road use. Note there are different sidewall stiffness options with the Defender, and I went with the lesser stiffness (no jokes please). Next time I will go with the stiffer sidewall option since I tow a boat at max(+) weight. I paid about $835 OTD, but have a $70 mail in rebate.
They fit w/o rubbing, have a noticeably better ride, but feel a bit "wobbly" when stressing the sidewall (quick S turns) at 35 PSI. Of course, we're talking about a 4R, but IMO the stock tires felt more planted than what I have now. Note I requested the installer put max pressure (44 PSI per sidewall), but they only put in 35 PSI.
Once I raised the fronts to 40 and the rears to 42, stability improved a bit and firmed up the ride. On the up side, they definitely fill out the wheel profile better, and will certainly offer better traction. Also, I didn't see a noticeable change in observed speedometer readings.
After towing the boat for two hours, I really didn't notice a difference in how the truck handled.
The net is that I like the tires - ride and look.
Chris
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